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[barfo]

I didnt realize Trump had demanded it?
For me like Japan, West Germany and South Korea they were rebuilt after the war, and its been good.

Big difference there is that we didn't force the Japanese to leave Japan, the Germans to leave Germany, or the Koreans to leave Korea.

Nor did we claim ownership of any of those countries.

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

Big difference there is that we didn't force the Japanese to leave Japan, the Germans to leave Germany, or the Koreans to leave Korea.

Nor did we claim ownership of any of those countries.

barfo

I get that tot sure but they were rebuilt by us and other countries. Thats all im saying.

 

[PCmor7]

I didnt realize Trump had demanded it?
For me like Japan, West Germany and South Korea they were rebuilt after the war, and its been good.

Korea and Germany literally were split and Korea still is. If you think North Korea's a great situation for the world, I really don't know what to tell you.

Japan was occupied.

And none of these people were forced to leave their lands.

You don't think you're advocating ethnic cleansing, and I don't think you mean to be advocating ethnic cleansing, but you are advocating ethnic cleansing. You're talking about a mass displacement of a sovereign people against its wishes.

 

[PCmor7]

Thats part of my thinking and it really is just a thought, that region needs some definite help by other countries in rebuilding.

That's such a dangerous combination of not understanding the history or the geopolitical situation of a region and, again, I strongly urge you to read up a little about that part of the world. What your suggesting almost certainly will lead to a tremendous loss of lives, including hundreds of Americans, and possibly some in North America.

The Twin Towers were attacked because Islamists felt the United States shouldn't be interfering in their part of the world. What exactly do you think will happen when we try to turn one of their occupied territories, an actual homeland, into a resort?

 

[Hoopguru]

That's such a dangerous combination of not understanding the history or the geopolitical situation of a region and, again, I strongly urge you to read up a little about that part of the world. What your suggesting almost certainly will lead to a tremendous loss of lives, including hundreds of Americans, and possibly some in North America.

The Twin Towers were attacked because Islamists felt the United States shouldn't be interfering in their part of the world. What exactly do you think will happen when we try to turn one of their occupied territories, an actual homeland, into a resort?[/QUOTE
Im not wanting the US make a resort of the help some of the other Arab countries with rebuilding.

 

[Chris Craig]

I didnt realize Trump had demanded it?
For me like Japan, West Germany and South Korea they were rebuilt after the war, and its been good.

I guess he more lied and said they would take them when they said and continue to say no. He keeps trying to insist otherwise to force the matter. They refused to displace a people from their land and cause further unrest in the middle east and beyond.

We didn't ask any of those people to leave their country/land, take control of it, and build a resort.

The Palestinian people have fought for and to keep a place to call their home for many decades. Trump's plan fails to consider what forcing them out will mean.

We have no business occupying or taking control of that land.

 

[Hoopguru]

I guess he more lied and said they would take them when they said and continue to say no. He keeps trying to insist otherwise to force the matter. They refused to displace a people from their land and cause further unrest in the middle east and beyond.

We didn't ask any of those people to leave their country/land, take control of it, and build a resort.

The Palestinian people have fought for and to keep a place to call their home for many decades. Trump's plan fails to consider what forcing them out will mean.

We have no business occupying or taking control of that land.

I agree
My hope is other arab countries will offer to help out. Looks like Turkey Qatar and Egypt are wanting to w/o disbursing the people.

 

[Chris Craig]

I agree
My hope is other arab countries will offer to help out. Looks like Turkey Qatar and Egypt are wanting to w/o disbursing the people.

Egypt said no. I don't know about the other two. Trump has been told no because these other countries consider such a displacement to be ethnic cleansing. They don't want their hands on it.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Korea and Germany literally were split and Korea still is. If you think North Korea's a great situation for the world, I really don't know what to tell you.

Japan was occupied.

And none of these people were forced to leave their lands.

You don't think you're advocating ethnic cleansing, and I don't think you mean to be advocating ethnic cleansing, but you are advocating ethnic cleansing. You're talking about a mess displacement of a sovereign people against its wishes.

This this this this. “Oh maybe they can live somewhere else, at least then they’re alive” isn’t a silver lining, it’s not making anything better; it sounds like apologia for Trail of Tears. Like PC said above, I don’t believe you’re meaning anything bad by it, but the suggestion is really tone deaf.

 

[PCmor7]

Egypt said no. I don't know about the other two. Trump has been told no because these other countries consider such a displacement to be ethnic cleansing. They don't want their hands on it.

I can almost guarantee you Turkey and Qatar aren't taking refugees.

Egypt hasn't been open to refugees from Gaza for decades. Other countries have been asked and refused. They're all afraid of the same thing -- that you're opening your borders to Hamas.

And, you know what? What Trump's doing is one big recruiting campaign for Hamas. Taking a bunch of people, blowing up their homes and relocating them against their will thousands of miles away so you can make "The Riviera of the Middle East" is just the kind of thing that radicalized people.

If anyone wants to know why people all over the world hate us, it's this kind of casual ignorance. We don't bother even glancing at a textbook or talking to someone. We just think we know a little so we know the whole thing and we're going to impose our will on a bunch of people we don't know or care about or having anything to do with their lives once we remove them. This is how we got 9/11. This is how we got the border crisis from destabilizing Central America.

Just plain casual ignorance.

 

[PCmor7]

I wish some of us would think about what it would be liked to have our homes blown up and told we're being moved from Oregon to Kentucky whether we like it or not and think how that would feel. And then getting told that Kentucky's new governor is fascist Erdogan.

Good lord. Every time I think I've read it all, someone shocks me.

 

[PCmor7]

For gosh sakes, Turkey didn't even want the Kurds that lived there or along the border, and people think they're going to take Palestinians????

If they did, it would involve money from U.S. taxpayers, and I guarantee you the techbros aren't giving up money, so maybe Trump means they'll be living in camps like the Turks did with the Armenians.

I'm actually angry. This was so tone deaf and people are going to die and I've got this guy saying "I was just spitballing."

 

[Phatguysrule]

For gosh sakes, Turkey didn't even want the Kurds that lived there or along the border, and people think they're going to take Palestinians????

If they did, it would involve money from U.S. taxpayers, and I guarantee you the techbros aren't giving up money, so maybe Trump means they'll be living in camps like the Turks did with the Armenians.

I'm actually angry. This was so tone deaf and people are going to die and I've got this guy saying "I was just spitballing."

I get what you're saying, but it is just a discussion on an internet forum. It's an opportunity to help educate those who haven't been exposed to another perspective.

I appreciate you taking the time to do so. I learned from the conversation and I wasn't even involved.

Thank you.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I can almost guarantee you Turkey and Qatar aren't taking refugees.

Egypt hasn't been open to refugees from Gaza for decades. Other countries have been asked and refused. They're all afraid of the same thing -- that you're opening your borders to Hamas.

And, you know what? What Trump's doing is one big recruiting campaign for Hamas. Taking a bunch of people, blowing up their homes and relocating them against their will thousands of miles away so you can make "The Riviera of the Middle East" is just the kind of thing that radicalized people.

If anyone wants to know why people all over the world hate us, it's this kind of casual ignorance. We don't bother even glancing at a textbook or talking to someone. We just think we know a little so we know the whole thing and we're going to impose our will on a bunch of people we don't know or care about or having anything to do with their lives once we remove them. This is how we got 9/11. This is how we got the border crisis from destabilizing Central America.

Just plain casual ignorance.

It makes me disgusted to be an American. We can't even have healthcare for our people. Instead we're forced to give our money for apartheid and genocide while the most evil son of a bitch smirks as he dog walks the President in front of cameras.

Utterly gross on every level. And we're complicit.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[crandc]

Entire workforce at CIA has been sent resignation letters.

 

[cdub503]

what a giant fucking cluster fuck...... Literally cant even come up with words without getting angry about all this shit.... How the fuck is occupying Gaza a good idea... did we not learn in iraq or any other middle eastern conflict?

 

[Hoopguru]

Hope this is the way its done....Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE reaffirm two-state ...Dailynewsegypthttps://www.dailynewsegypt.com › Blog

 

[bulls_with_booz]

Well this isn't threatening at all....

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...olden-pager-apparent-reference-lebanon-attack

Netanyahu was grinning ear to ear as Trump justifed ethnic cleansing with his vision of condos and strip malls in Gaza. And the talk of dismantling bombs...boots on the ground in Gaza "disguised" as a cleanup crew? What happens when the resilient families already resettled in Northern Gaza don't want to move to fucking Egypt? Do we kill them?

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...e-from-south-to-north-gaza-in-over-a-week-un/

 

[Chris Craig]

It makes me disgusted to be an American. We can't even have healthcare for our people. Instead we're forced to give our money for apartheid and genocide while the most evil son of a bitch smirks as he dog walks the President in front of cameras.

Utterly gross on every level. And we're complicit.

Trump is going to displace millions of Palestinians and raze the Gaza strip to put in a resort for tourists...and you thought he was going do something good for Palestine.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Trump is going to displace millions of Palestinians and raze the Gaza strip to put in a resort for tourists...and you thought he was going do something good for Palestine.

That's blatantly untrue. I always said "if."

 

[Chris Craig]

That's blatantly untrue. I always said "if."

And I told you there would be no if.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It makes me disgusted to be an American. We can't even have healthcare for our people. Instead we're forced to give our money for apartheid and genocide while the most evil son of a bitch smirks as he dog walks the President in front of cameras.

Utterly gross on every level. And we're complicit.

Trump is every bit as evil, if not more so. He's certainly far more dangerous.

All we had to do was get enough people to vote against him. But Democrats were too corrupt to set themselves significantly apart. Too corrupt to make sure the population is educated enough to see it.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

And I told you there would be no if.

Voters wanted a change so they voted that way. You should be upset at the feckless and spineless Democratic party for losing to a convicted felon again. Not the voters.

I didn't vote for him so take your ire elsewhere.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Trump is every bit as evil, if not more so. He's certainly far more dangerous.

All we had to do was get enough people to vote against him. But Democrats were too corrupt to set themselves significantly apart. Too corrupt to make sure the population is educated enough to see it.

Their response to what's happening now makes so many hate them even more which I thought was impossible. What a worthless bunch of goons.

They have got a long way to go before earning my vote again.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Their response to what's happening now makes so many hate them even more which I thought was impossible. What a worthless bunch of goons.

They have got a long way to go before earning my vote again.

I haven't even seen their responses. Mostly just Bernie and AOC advocating for what we really need and against the evil POS we have in power now.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I haven't even seen their responses. Mostly just Bernie and AOC advocating for what we really need and against the evil POS we have in power now.

They have no response. Bernie and AOC are among a handful of decent ones while the majority of the party treat them like they're crazy. The rest of the party is just sitting back because they think they don't have to do anything until the next election. We just keep ping ponging between awful parties every couple of years.

 

[Phatguysrule]

They have no response. Bernie and AOC are among a handful of decent ones while the majority of the party treat them like they're crazy. The rest of the party is just sitting back because they think they don't have to do anything until the next election. We just keep ping ponging between awful parties every couple of years.

That's what I was afraid of. They are just happy to point at how shitty Trump is and use him as the excuse to be not much better.

 

[crandc]

First day in office, Pam Bondi threatened criminal prosecution of private businesses that have diversity programs.

 

[crandc]

Trump overturned a 60 year old executive order prohibiting federal contractors from discriminating based on race, religion or national origin. He has made it clear civil rights of people of color, women and LGBT people are not only no longer enforced but are literally criminalized. He made hatred of trans people central to his campaign and presidency.

But he established a commission to investigate discrimination against Christians and named far right televangelist kook Paula White to lead it. Like Trump, White has been married three times and commit adultery and fraud.

This is not a joke. How long will it be before she declared making states recognize marriage equality persecutes Christians?