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All foreign aid ended except for Israel and Egypt. In 2016 Trump campaign foundering, running out of money, Egypt "loaned" Trump a billion or so.

Threatened Denmark with punishing tariffs and military action if they don't hand over Greenland. Is Trump planning on leaving NATO?

Threatened Colombia. A US ally

That's 6 days.
 
AmirIcon said:
This is the present.
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Yeah I'm not a Trump voter I'm not stupid.

The question mark is because what is happening NOW is not indicative of a better future. Anyone who thinks that it is wants the worst for people.

Our future is fucked.
 
AmirIcon said:
The sooner you stop looking at Trump voters as your enemy and understand that you share the same struggles
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Their biggest struggle is inability to distinguish between facts and falsehoods.
I'd just as soon not share their struggles.

barfo
 
Strenuus said:
Yeah I'm not a Trump voter I'm not stupid.

The question mark is because what is happening NOW is not indicative of a better future. Anyone who thinks that it is wants the worst for people.

Our future is fucked.
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Indicative? No. I understand your hopelessness. Nothing lasts forever.
 
AmirIcon said:
I'm sorry, but saving those pensions does not give Biden a pass to take billions from citizens to give to foreign countries while enabling a genocide.

The sooner you stop looking at Trump voters as your enemy and understand that you share the same struggles, the sooner this country can defeat the corrupt suits in Washington and get back to taking care of its people.
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Trump voters are having the same struggles we are? You mean the ones they created for the people they "love"? Those struggles?

Like, I know you're not stupid, so please stop trying to talk to me like I'm stupid. I'm way too smart for that bullshit. We have common struggles as a human, yes, but to say the people who voted for Trump didn't cause all this shit... I'm not a fucking idiot.

Every single person who voted for Trump is directly responsible for all the pain this will cause.

What has happened in the last week and will happen for the next 4 years is directly their fault. Stop justifying their hatred for others.
 
Strenuus said:
Trump voters are having the same struggles we are? You mean the ones they created for the people they "love"? Those struggles?

Like, I know you're not stupid, so please stop trying to talk to me like I'm stupid. I'm way too smart for that bullshit. We have common struggles as a human, yes, but to say the people who voted for Trump didn't cause all this shit... I'm not a fucking idiot.

Every single person who voted for Trump is directly responsible for all the pain this will cause.

What has happened in the last week and will happen for the next 4 years is directly their fault. Stop justifying their hatred for others.
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We disagree on the root cause. You are trying to sell me as Trump is the origin of all that's wrong with our country. I disagree with that. The current system and the failure of the Democratic party is what made Trump possible. Nobody else. It's not the voters fault. They voted for Biden and then he let them down and went the other way. Stop trying to deflect the responsibility of the Democratic party.

The people of this country have been trying desperately to get a populist/change since Obama. One president after another has failed them.

Democrats didn't read the room. They thought cozying up to the establishment was a sure winner.

If you believe Trump is the genesis of what's wrong with this country, we disagree. No need to continue.
 
AmirIcon said:
We disagree on the root cause. You are trying to sell me as Trump is the origin of all that's wrong with our country. I disagree with that. The current system and the failure of the Democratic party is what made Trump possible. Nobody else. It's not the voters fault. They voted for Biden and then he let them down and went the other way. Stop trying to deflect the responsibility of the Democratic party.

The people of this country have been trying desperately to get a populist/change since Obama. One president after another has failed them.

Democrats didn't read the room. They thought cozying up to the establishment was a sure winner.

If you believe Trump is the genesis of what's wrong with this country, we disagree. No need to continue.
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You’re under the assumption that US political climate begins and ends with what’s going on in the middle east and that can’t be further from the truth.

The average voter is oblivious to it.
 
Democrats were boring institutionalists, so 77 million of us voted for the leopards-eating-faces party and then the leopards ate our faces and so it's all the Democrats fault!

The leopards are just doing what leopards do - they can't be blamed.

And certainly, 77 million people can't be at fault. After all, they wouldn't cut their noses off to spite their faces.

They asked the leopards to eat their noses. Much, much different.

barfo
 
AmirIcon said:
We disagree on the root cause. You are trying to sell me as Trump is the origin of all that's wrong with our country. I disagree with that. The current system and the failure of the Democratic party is what made Trump possible. Nobody else. It's not the voters fault. They voted for Biden and then he let them down and went the other way. Stop trying to deflect the responsibility of the Democratic party.

The people of this country have been trying desperately to get a populist/change since Obama. One president after another has failed them.

Democrats didn't read the room. They thought cozying up to the establishment was a sure winner.

If you believe Trump is the genesis of what's wrong with this country, we disagree. No need to continue.
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No. Trump is the root cause of the things he directly causes.

But the Dems are responsible for being shitty enough that a guy like Trump appealed to enough voters to win. Twice...
 
MickZagger said:
You’re under the assumption that US political climate begins and ends with what’s going on in the middle east and that can’t be further from the truth.

The average voter is oblivious to it.
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There are numerous studies and reports indicating that if Kamala came out on the side of ceasefire she would have won. Try Googling and reading any which one of them. This is old information by now. Where have you been?

You're so out of your depth it's hilarious.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But the Dems are responsible for being shitty enough that a guy like Trump appealed to enough voters to win. Twice...
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So the Trump voters were thinking:

Wow, these democrats are shitty.
But not shitty enough for me! I want someone much more shitty!

barfo
 
barfo said:
So the Trump voters were thinking:

Wow, these democrats are shitty.
But not shitty enough for me! I want someone much more shitty!

barfo
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They couldn't tell much difference that mattered to them.

Because the Democrats have failed that hard.
 
Colombia capitulated. Total surrender. They are a small country facing economic devastation. They let the bully take their lunch money.

As we commemorate the 80th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, remember appeasement didn't work out well.
 
And yes, moron in chief spelled it "Columbia", leading one congressman to ask sardonically why was Columbia sanctioned while Brown and Dartmouth get off scot free?
 
Strenuus said:
Trump voters are having the same struggles we are? You mean the ones they created for the people they "love"? Those struggles?

Like, I know you're not stupid, so please stop trying to talk to me like I'm stupid. I'm way too smart for that bullshit. We have common struggles as a human, yes, but to say the people who voted for Trump didn't cause all this shit... I'm not a fucking idiot.

Every single person who voted for Trump is directly responsible for all the pain this will cause.

What has happened in the last week and will happen for the next 4 years is directly their fault. Stop justifying their hatred for others.
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You’re just angry and bitter and feel personally aggrieved you didn’t get your political way, so you choose to blame all these hypothetical doomsday scenarios that haven’t even happened on regular people who voted differently than you. People you don’t even know the first thing about. You create the division then proceed to cry about it. It’s plain to see. It’s a tantrum.
 
jonnyboy said:
You’re just angry and bitter and feel personally aggrieved you didn’t get your political way, so you choose to blame all these hypothetical doomsday scenarios that haven’t even happened on regular people who voted differently than you. People you don’t even know the first thing about. You create the division then proceed to cry about it. It’s plain to see. It’s a tantrum.
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Isn't that pretty much your thing? You're in a sports forum, never talk about the sports, instead pearl clutch and take issue with select posts in the off topic section. Never contribute, share a link, talk about something besides politics.

Find post, react, belittle person's comment and opinion, rinse & repeat.

It's odd.
 
Phatguysrule said:
No. Trump is the root cause of the things he directly causes.

But the Dems are responsible for being shitty enough that a guy like Trump appealed to enough voters to win. Twice...
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The Democratic party needs to do far better. They shit the bed. I have been saying this. They need better candidates, a better agenda, and more focus on the people instead of opponents.
 
AmirIcon said:
There are numerous studies and reports indicating that if Kamala came out on the side of ceasefire she would have won. Try Googling and reading any which one of them. This is old information by now. Where have you been?

You're so out of your depth it's hilarious.
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Kamala wasn't against a ceasefire. She hardly talked about the war in the middle east at all, thinking staying quite was the best method to not piss off either side of the voting block and lose votes. When she did speak about it she was too vague and short with it. She or whoever instructed her inside her campaign to take that path messed up.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Isn't that pretty much your thing? You're in a sports forum, never talk about the sports, instead pearl clutch and take issue with select posts in the off topic section. Never contribute, share a link, talk about something besides politics.

Find post, react, belittle person's comment and opinion, rinse & repeat.

It's odd.
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Everyone here does those things, many worse than me, and usually in a pile-on fashion against me or one of the other couple posters who don’t follow leftist orthodoxy. You’re taking issue with me personally here because you don’t agree with my politics. That’s what this is.
 
jonnyboy said:
Everyone here does those things, many worse than me, and usually in a pile-on fashion against me or one of the other couple posters who don’t follow leftist orthodoxy. You’re taking issue with me personally here because you don’t agree with my politics. That’s what this is.
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It's all you do.
 
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