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donkiez said:
More radical, dangerous liberal talk. Do you guys realize the crazy wing of the Republicans have usurped almost our entire government, rigged the whole system in their favor and everything is the radical Democrats fault, or cuck socialists, or evil commies, or them damn illegals. By the way if you dont stand attention for the flag then you hate America and our troops. Dont any of find any of that thought process alarming?
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Cippy91 said:
Listen, I am not a republican. I have left and right views. You have to understand some of the thinking going on in this country is dangerous and a lot of it comes from the "progressive left". They run hollywood, the tech industry, music industry, and universities. If this was super right ideas really populating the mainstream, I would be more on top of that but that's not what's happening. As a country we are in dangerous territory and it's not because of the right or just the regular old left. It's the cultural appropriation bullshit, calling everybody racist or that we live in a fascist country. The constant over dramatic views and gender pronouns. The witch hunting culture. That is more on the side of fascism than anything.
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Sounds like your one that has been brainwashed
 
Cippy91 said:
by who? brainwashed to believe in what? I find what you say interesting and also incredibly ridiculous
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I am referring to your routine of disproportionately condemning the left for our countries problems, while leaving the right mostly blameless. You claim the left has systemically corroded our society through film, music, and education. Where you see indoctrination, I see open mindedness. I went to a university. I wasn't taught to hate conservatives or people with differing views and opinions. I was taught to think for myself. I too have both left and right views. I am a traditionalist. I also believe that change is neccessary. There has to be balance. Its not one way or the other. I want hear more about what these dangerous ideals of the left are that you speak of. And, I will counter with the dangerous ideals I see from the right. I have seen a few of your claims. Why do you think college shouldn't be free? Why shouldn't there be affordable health care? What are your left leaning views exactly?
 
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Chris Craig said:
Why do you think college shouldn't be free?
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>>> Because the teacher expect to be paid! Ha! I would have expected you knew this.

Chris Craig said:
Why shouldn't there be affordable health care?
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>>> I did! Lost it with the stroke of a pen. I bet you voted for the dude that used the pen.
But the bottom line is, Doctors want to be paid. And they must hire more and more staff to handle all the minutia laid on them. You known, Report child abuse, report mentally deficient so they can't buy what ever, report suspected domestic abuse, cut rate all government covered healthcare billing. And above all, make sure the poor immigrant gets the healthcare need when they come without a shred of coverage from anywhere.
 
MarAzul said:
>>> Because the teacher expect to be paid! Ha! I would have expected you knew this.



>>> I did! Lost it with the stroke of a pen. I bet you voted for the dude that used the pen.
But the bottom line is, Doctors want to be paid. And they must hire more and more staff to handle all the minutia laid on them. You known, Report child abuse, report mentally deficient so they can't buy what ever, report suspected domestic abuse, cut rate all government covered healthcare billing. And above all, make sure the poor immigrant gets the healthcare need when they come without a shred of coverage from anywhere.
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You should learn the difference between doctors, nurses, social workers and hospital administrators and clerks.....nurses do the heavy lifting and are paid like school teachers...I paid a heart specialist a small fortune in copay alone with good insurance to rub gell on my chest and hold a scanner over my heart taking a picture with a computer program....the heart specialist was also obese....I'd say 450 lbs if I were to guess....never stood up the whole procedure....x ray techs have pretty easy jobs for the money as well...nurses work their asses off
 
riverman said:
You should learn the difference between doctors, nurses, social workers and hospital administrators and clerks.....nurses do the heavy lifting and are paid like school teachers...I paid a heart specialist a small fortune in copay alone with good insurance to rub gell on my chest and hold a scanner over my heart taking a picture with a computer program....the heart specialist was also obese....I'd say 450 lbs if I were to guess....never stood up the whole procedure....x ray techs have pretty easy jobs for the money as well...nurses work their asses off
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Most nurses I know make close to $100 K per year.
 
riverman said:
You should learn the difference between doctors, nurses, social workers and hospital administrators and clerks
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Not sure what I wrote that triggered this tangent. But we accept that something did. How is it relevant to what I wrote?
 
tlongII said:
Most nurses I know make close to $100 K per year.
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They earn it....I worked in a medical college for 6 years...back then they didn't make quite that much..doctors made stupid money
 
MarAzul said:
Not sure what I wrote that triggered this tangent. But we accept that something did. How is it relevant to what I wrote?
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You were saying doctors all had to do these things that actually nurses and staff handle....doctor is the last person you see and usually for a very short time.
 
riverman said:
He has to rid us of all our neighboring friends and European allies first....
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Seems like he's pretty well accomplished that goal. In fact, he's replaced our ally friends with our enemies.
 
riverman said:
You were saying doctors all had to do these things that actually nurses and staff handle....doctor is the last person you see and usually for a very short time.
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Ha! That is exactly what I was looking for you to say.

When I was a boy the doctor ran his office, very few had anyone else working there.
By the time my children were born, the first just a very little younger that you, insurance was now becoming more wide spread and billing was a problem. Doctors had to hire clerks.
To help defray the cost, nurses were also hire so more patients per day could be seen.
Step by step the government burden is increase and more staff is needed. Medicare and Medicaid were the giant steps.
The government has caused the problem, never helped anyone.

One of the very first jobs I did in my first year working for IBM was to set up a billing system for a Doctor in Oregon City. He used it to do the billing. Five years later he needed help
teaching his wife to help him because it was swamping him. I liked the old gent so I agreed to come a few times to help her learn the job. Shit! No way was she going to get it.
He retired not long after.
 
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MarAzul said:
Ha! That is exactly what I was looking for you to say.

When I was a boy the doctor ran his office, very few had anyone else working there.
By the time my children were born, the first just a very little younger that you, insurance was now becoming more wide spread and billing was a problem. Doctors had to hire clerks.
To help defray the cost, nurses were also hire so more patients per day could be seen.
Step by step the government burden is increase and more staff is needed. Medicare and Medicaid were the giant steps.
The government has caused the problem, never helped anyone.

One of the very fist jobs I did in my first year working for IBM was to set up a billing system for a Doctor in Oregon City. He used it to do the billing. Five years later he needed help
teaching his wife to help him because it was swamping him. I liked the old gent so I agreed to come a few times to help her learn the job. Shit! No way was she going to get it.
He retired not long after.
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The doctor who delivered me and my siblings was my doctor all my life until I left for the navy...he made housecalls...he also accepted farm goods like homemade ice cream or meat from our livestock in barter....those days are gone...so are the manual crank phones with the mouthpiece that hung on the wall back then
 
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riverman said:
The doctor who delivered me and my siblings was my doctor all my life until I left for the navy...he made housecalls...he also accepted farm goods like homemade ice cream or meat from our livestock in barter....those days are gone...so are the manural crank phones with the mouthpiece that hung on the wall back then
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Those days are gone... you left out the affordable healthcare, replaced by government imposed bureaucracy.
 
Chris Craig said:
I am referring to your routine of disproportionately condemning the left for our countries problems, while leaving the right mostly blameless. You claim the left has systemically corroded our society through film, music, and education. Where you see indoctrination, I see open mindedness. I went to a university. I wasn't taught to hate conservatives or people with differing views and opinions. I was taught to think for myself. I too have both left and right views. I am a traditionalist. I also believe that change is neccessary. There has to be balance. Its not one way or the other. I want hear more about what these dangerous ideals of the left are that you speak of. And, I will counter with the dangerous ideals I see from the right. I have seen a few of your claims. Why do you think college shouldn't be free? Why shouldn't there be affordable health care? What are your left leaning views exactly?
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welcome to your modern day universities. Do I need to cover mainstream media as well? I can link a million other videos showing the insane ideology going on in universities
 
riverman said:
or you could just post an original thought and explain it
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The videos are visual examples of what I have been talking about on this forum, I have tried explaining several times, some of you just refuse to get it when it's right in front of you
 
Cippy91 said:








welcome to your modern day universities. Do I need to cover mainstream media as well? I can link a million other videos showing the insane ideology going on in universities
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Have you attended any university courses? I have had some great professors over the years...as to main stream media...that's always been a crapshoot...it's a given....the BBC is pretty reputable as a media source though.
 
Cippy91 said:
some of you just refuse to get it when it's right in front of you
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no Cippy….a video in front of me is another form of mainstream media...that's why we use our own filters to process events as they unfold
 
riverman said:
no Cippy….a video in front of me is another form of mainstream media...that's why we use our own filters to process events as they unfold
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The videos I just linked, watch them and tell me the kids in the videos are right. They aren't. This type of insane ideology has spread through universities in recent years. It's dangerous
 
Cippy91 said:
This type of insane ideology has spread through universities in recent years. It's dangerous
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I know a lot of college grads and my son is one....all well adjusted young people with good lives ….college isn't dangerous...you may not like it but it's a place where people go to learn how to learn if they do it for the right reasons. What you do with that knowledge is your choice
 
riverman said:
I know a lot of college grads and my son is one....all well adjusted young people with good lives ….college isn't dangerous...you may not like it but it's a place where people go to learn how to learn if they do it for the right reasons. What you do with that knowledge is your choice
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I am not saying all college kids are uninformed but the shit spreading around those campuses is bad for this country.
 
Cippy91 said:
I am not saying all college kids are uninformed but the shit spreading around those campuses is bad for this country.
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nah...it's just shit spreading around a campus....young rage...and it's nothing new...read up on the Civil Rights movement and the Viet Nam protests...that was some rage
 
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