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illmatic99 said:
he used to in college. he's been getting cooked in Utah for the last few years.
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Not much better than... You guessed it. CJ. Well at least in Portland. Sample size is small for New Orleans but CJ did much better there.
 
Brunson is an above average defender. According to Synergy, he was an elite isolation defender and rated very good overall. I get that people are concerned about back court heights, but Brunson and Mitchell would be a better version of Conley and Mitchell the last couple years.
 
Ed O said:
I don't remember the specifics of the Deron Williams era, but I know that contending for a championship is successful... even if there are no titles won.

I'd rather have the early 90s Blazers or the late 90s Blazers, even in retrospect, than what we've had the last four or five years as we've been trying to build around Dame by paying our current players a lot of money and trading future picks for role players.
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True but let's not forget that a large number of fans wanted to tear that early '90s team apart the summer before they went to the finals against Detroit. They wanted to trade Clyde instead of building around him. Thankfully they simply traded Bowie for Buck and Walter Berry for Duck and everything clicked.
 
if Utah is expecting a Gobert like trade package, I just don't see that out there. Miami doesn't have the kind of assets, Toronto doesn't either unless they part with guy who they love, BK can't unless they send out Simmons, the only destination that both wants Donovan and has assets is NY.

And Ainge only makes moves if he's winning the deals outright.

I don't think he gets traded this summer.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
True but let's not forget that a large number of fans wanted to tear that early '90s team apart the summer before they went to the finals against Detroit. They wanted to trade Clyde instead of building around him. Thankfully they simply traded Bowie for Buck and Walter Berry for Duck and everything clicked.
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You mean, the summer he turned 27, before he had even reached his athletic prime? Yeah, that would have been pretty ridiculous.
 
illmatic99 said:
if Utah is expecting a Gobert like trade package, I just don't see that out there. Miami doesn't have the kind of assets, Toronto doesn't either unless they part with guy who they love, BK can't unless they send out Simmons, the only destination that both wants Donovan and has assets is NY.

And Ainge only makes moves if he's winning the deals outright.

I don't think he gets traded this summer.
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Knicks have 4 firsts in '23 alone. I could absolutely see them making an overpay offer for Mitchell that Ainge would feel he was winning outright. Especially if they're willing to give up Barrett/Toppin (which they shouldn't, IMO).
 
Mad scientist Ainge about to implode a contending Utah team that was a tweak away, IMO. I just don't get it. I know there was friction between Mitchell and Gobert, but c'mon. He got a bunch of role players in return, and draft capital that will likely be latter end of 1st round. I can't believe he couldn't have added a John Collins, and similar draft capital to bring to Utah. Utah, already tough to bring in high end talent, could become a doormat if Mitchell is traded. Jazz fans MUST be up in arms over this scenario.
 
tykendo said:
Mad scientist Ainge about to implode a contending Utah team that was a tweak away, IMO. I just don't get it. I know there was friction between Mitchell and Gobert, but c'mon. He got a bunch of role players in return, and draft capital that will likely be latter end of 1st round. I can't believe he couldn't have added a John Collins, and similar draft capital to bring to Utah. Utah, already tough to bring in high end talent, could become a doormat if Mitchell is traded. Jazz fans MUST be up in arms over this scenario.
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people romanticize drastic rebuilds and acquiring draft picks these days. And while Ainge absolutely did get a ridiculous overpay from Minny, Utah did have the best record in the league just two seasons ago. I think they overreacted to their playoff flameouts. They'll recover in 4 yrs with all the unprotected picks but i dunno how open that market is for a bottoming out period like they're about to experience.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
True but let's not forget that a large number of fans wanted to tear that early '90s team apart the summer before they went to the finals against Detroit. They wanted to trade Clyde instead of building around him. Thankfully they simply traded Bowie for Buck and Walter Berry for Duck and everything clicked.
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Hmm... I don't think that's right.

Clyde was like 24 when the Blazers got Duck and 27 when we got Buck. The internet wasn't around then, but I can't imagine anyone was clamoring for the Blazers to trade him after three seasons and even at 27 why would anyone have wanted us to trade our best player?

Portland traded a bit too long to trade Drexler in my opinion... getting Thorpe and a first rounder wasn't great return, but at least we didn't hold on until he was altogether done at age 35.
 
illmatic99 said:
people romanticize drastic rebuilds and acquiring draft picks these days. And while Ainge absolutely did get a ridiculous overpay from Minny, Utah did have the best record in the league just two seasons ago. I think they overreacted to their playoff flameouts. They'll recover in 4 yrs with all the unprotected picks but i dunno how open that market is for a bottoming out period like they're about to experience.
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I don't see those picks being that great. If none are Lotto picks, which i doubt any of Minny's will be, how good are they really.
 
Ed O said:
Hmm... I don't think that's right.

Clyde was like 24 when the Blazers got Duck and 27 when we got Buck. The internet wasn't around then, but I can't imagine anyone was clamoring for the Blazers to trade him after three seasons and even at 27 why would anyone have wanted us to trade our best player?

Portland traded a bit too long to trade Drexler in my opinion... getting Thorpe and a first rounder wasn't great return, but at least we didn't hold on until he was altogether done at age 35.
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Thorpe was trash by the time he became a Blazer. That was a garbage trade.
 
Ed O said:
Hmm... I don't think that's right.

Clyde was like 24 when the Blazers got Duck and 27 when we got Buck. The internet wasn't around then, but I can't imagine anyone was clamoring for the Blazers to trade him after three seasons and even at 27 why would anyone have wanted us to trade our best player?

Portland traded a bit too long to trade Drexler in my opinion... getting Thorpe and a first rounder wasn't great return, but at least we didn't hold on until he was altogether done at age 35.
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I was wrong about Duck, he did come earlier. But I am not wrong about the attitude of many fans following a losing season. (88-89) It was the summer of 89 when we got Buck. Clyde was 27 and it was not the internet I was referring to. I was in outside sales at the time and listened to local sports talk radio all day long while driving. The crazy ass fans calling in all day long wanting to trade Clyde was idiotic.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I was wrong about Duck, he did come earlier. But I am not wrong about the attitude of many fans following a losing season. (88-89) It was the summer of 89 when we got Buck. Clyde was 27 and it was not the internet I was referring to. I was in outside sales at the time and listened to local sports talk radio all day long while driving. The crazy ass fans calling in all day long wanting to trade Clyde was idiotic.
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I worked with people who wanted Clyde traded . I was like ,you're nuts. I hated that trade, and was right. It was a trash trade. But i've grown less fond of Clyde the former Blazer, and Rocket Licker, in recent years. I will always appreciate Clyde's great contributions while he was a Blazer. But he hasn't seemed to relish playing in Portland that much.
 
If Ainge, does trade Mitchell, he's a moron. That caliber of player doesn't come around very often. But leaking it out , he's for the taking, probably has Mitchell saying Up yours. Dumpster fire in progress.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
True but let's not forget that a large number of fans wanted to tear that early '90s team apart the summer before they went to the finals against Detroit. They wanted to trade Clyde instead of building around him.
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Not my recollection of early 90s Blazer fan attitudes at all. I was in college and people were nuts about them throughout Clyde’s 20s. Random girls would start conversations with me about the Blazers. We’d regularly gather large group watch parties around midweek mid season games. Blazer mania is my recollection.

STOMP
 
tykendo said:
If Ainge, does trade Mitchell, he's a moron. That caliber of player doesn't come around very often. But leaking it out , he's for the taking, probably has Mitchell saying Up yours. Dumpster fire in progress.
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Unless Mitchell isn't what he seems to be.....off the court. That is all I can think of. If players hate playing with him you might as well get rid of him while his stock is high.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Unless Mitchell isn't what he seems to be.....off the court. That is all I can think of. If players hate playing with him you might as well get rid of him while his stock is high.
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He seems to be a fan favorite, and all around great dude from all i've seen and heard.
 
STOMP said:
Not my recollection of early 90s Blazer fan attitudes at all. I was in college and people were nuts about them throughout Clyde’s 20s. Random girls would start conversations with me about the Blazers. We’d regularly gather large group watch parties around midweek mid season games. Blazer mania is my recollection.

STOMP
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Yes, that is all true of the early 90s. But I am talking about the summer of 89'. Right after the season fans were unbelievably stupid about the team. They were coming off a losing season and they wanted to blow it all up. Instead, they got Buck and made it to the finals the very next year..... and Blazermania was back in full force.
 
He probably privately asked for a trade. And Ainge probably wants to rebuild in his own vision from scratch. For Don it would be nice to not having to cross state borders to get a proper haircut.
 
...and Id try to find out why Quinn left. That was seemingly unexpected.
 
hoopsjock said:
Brunson is an above average defender. According to Synergy, he was an elite isolation defender and rated very good overall. I get that people are concerned about back court heights, but Brunson and Mitchell would be a better version of Conley and Mitchell the last couple years.
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better version of Conley and Mitchell but still not as good as Dame and CJ whom continued to fail year after year in the playoffs.
 
new22 said:
Would you prefer Danny's style of rebuilding? If he was in Portland he would most probably trade Lillard and we have:

Ant, Little, Sharpe, Watford, Walker, Brown, Johnson + two young talents and 5draft picks. That could be fun.

Cronin is mixing yougs with vets and this season could really be something, with healthy Lillard and Billups on the side. It looks like really last chance though.
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Not only those players, the Blazers would probably have Duren instead of Grant, and at least some young talent from the Clippers trade instead of nothing. Maybe the Blazers would also have a few more young pieces or picks instead of Hart from the CJ trade too.

The time to setup the next decade of the Blazers future was when the team fired Olshey. They didn't have to rush into the revamp; instead they could've first spent time to get a great GM and empowering him to do the best long term decisions. We got the shit moves this team has done starting in February; after that started even a great GM wouldn't have been able to save this mess.

The only redeeming chance could be if Sharpe becomes a superstar. Unfortunately he lasted 5 minutes in his first game. Would be great if he can become the superstar and the Blazers contend with him and Lillard; it just seems like such an unlikely long shot gamble; feels like this franchise threw everything on one number of the craps table. I guess it could work, and I sure hope it does, but that doesn't seem at all like good long term planning.

Compare this mess to the other franchises such as the Thunder, Pelicans, Jazz, etc who have long term assets or other teams that have great current players. The Blazers have a poor collection of both; as evident by only the Wizards and Kings in the entire NBA being ranked worse in ESPN future rankings.
 
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