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PtldPlatypus said:
That's fine. I think a young core of Ant/Sharpe/Barrett/Toppin with Quickley/Keon/Walker/Watford would be an excellent and exciting young base for a rebuild. Could be real good real soon-- all of those top 4 have all star potential. Add in several extra picks along with that and we'd be near the top of ESPN's "future rankings" immediately.
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Sure that team might be decent in 10 years.
 
tykendo said:
Not with Dame on that team, they wouldn't. You underestimate Dame's ability. Those picks would end up being end of 1st. Meh city.
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They aren’t six picks in a row. We are talking about some picks long after Dame is a top 10 talent.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Tough to have a legit conversation with someone making comments like this.
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As a silent observer I figured the end to a "legit" conversation happened when you gave that trade scenario in which we trade a guy who we can't trade for six months, for three guys making over twenty million less than Lillard, and New York not having "filler" to make it possible unless they trade another of their main guys, all of which puts about 18 guys on our roster as we trade away the best player in our franchise's history.
 
just a review of NY's 1st round pick inventory:

2023 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2023, 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]


2023 first round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]


2023 first round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Houston-Washington, 12/2/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2025 first round draft pick from Milwaukee
Milwaukee's 2025 1st round pick to New Orleans protected for selections 5-30 or to New York protected for selections 1-4 (Milwaukee's obligation to New Orleans or New York will thereafter be extinguished) (via New Orleans to Portland to Detroit to New York) [Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; New Orleans-Portland, 2/8/2022; Detroit-Portland, 7/6/2022; Detroit-New York, 7/6/2022]


plus they have all of their own. I sure can see how the value of "Wow...Knicks would trade 6 picks for DM!!!!" could be really deceptive, especially if at least 3 of the 6 picks were from that list of 4. Very well may not even be a lottery pick in the inventory. Knicks apparently rejected it anyway
 
tykendo said:
Not with Dame on that team, they wouldn't. You underestimate Dame's ability. Those picks would end up being end of 1st. Meh city.
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What if Dame didn't stay in New York? It's not really place where players end their careers.
 
Natebishop3 said:
They aren’t six picks in a row. We are talking about some picks long after Dame is a top 10 talent.
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Well, he's not top-10 now, so the clock is ticking :)
 
noknobs said:
As a silent observer I figured the end to a "legit" conversation happened when you gave that trade scenario in which we trade a guy who we can't trade for six months, for three guys making over twenty million less than Lillard, and New York not having "filler" to make it possible unless they trade another of their main guys, all of which puts about 18 guys on our roster as we trade away the best player in our franchise's history.
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Wasn't a proposal... was a hypothetical offer to which I said I'd listen.

As to the questions of logistics--yes, it wouldn't be able to happen right at this moment, but as for them needing to include a main guy to match salary...I don't believe Fournier qualifies as such, and end of bench guys like Brown and Eubanks could be included by us to balance out the roster quantity issue.

So was your issue actually over whether or not a Dame to NY trade was logistically feasible or logically reasonable?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
That's fine. I think a young core of Ant/Sharpe/Barrett/Toppin with Quickley/Keon/Walker/Watford would be an excellent and exciting young base for a rebuild. Could be real good real soon-- all of those top 4 have all star potential. Add in several extra picks along with that and we'd be near the top of ESPN's "future rankings" immediately.
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I don’t really think Toppin has star potential. I like RJ but it would really depend on what the number is for RJ’s extension. I would only like RJ at a certain price point. But imo, Toppin, RJ, and Quickley are not enough of a player package to let go of Dame. RJ would fill the SG spot, but I would rather invest time into Sharpe cause I think at SG, Sharpe will likely have a physical mismatch every night.

Any Dame trade has to bring in a SF and/or PF with star potential in addition to the picks, not just a bunch of young talent. With or without a Dame trade, the goal should be the same: find talent at bigger size. Quickley will never surpass Ant in the starting lineup, and I have more hope in Sharpe becoming a star at SG than I do RJ.

For Dame, I would prefer to get guys like Jaylen Brown, Deandre Hunter, Mikal Bridges, Rui Hachimura, guys of that size, multiple of them.
 
BankTeller said:
I don’t really think Toppin has star potential. I like RJ but it would really depend on what the number is for RJ’s extension. I would only like RJ at a certain price point. But imo, Toppin, RJ, and Quickley are not enough of a player package to let go of Dame. RJ would fill the SG spot, but I would rather invest time into Sharpe cause I think at SG, Sharpe will likely have a physical mismatch every night.

Any Dame trade has to bring in a SF and/or PF with star potential in addition to the picks, not just a bunch of young talent. With or without a Dame trade, the goal should be the same: find talent at bigger size. Quickley will never surpass Ant in the starting lineup, and I have more hope in Sharpe becoming a star at SG than I do RJ.

For Dame, I would prefer to get guys like Jaylen Brown, Deandre Hunter, Mikal Bridges, Rui Hachimura, guys of that size, multiple of them.
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The other Dame trade I've suggested previously was to Washington for Hachimura/Avdija + picks/fillers, but at this point I feel like they've wasted their last two FRPs on Kispert and Davis and don't really have enough additional value to send along for a Dame deal.

Personally, I think Sharpe/Barrett would make a killer 2/3 combo, Quickley would clearly be a backup to Ant, but an excellent one, and I obviously have a little higher opinion of Toppin than you do. All good though--reasonable minds can disagree.
 
In turn Ainge will send Bam Bam & Beasley to the Blazers for Sharpe, Ant & 4 1st round picks and North Eugene HS renamed Danny Ainge Prep.
 
With that move, Danny will have done way more for the Blazers than he ever did when he played here. Clyde would have rather had Al Bundy.
 
tykendo said:
In turn Ainge will send Bam Bam & Beasley to the Blazers for Sharpe, Ant & 4 1st round picks and North Eugene HS renamed Danny Ainge Prep.
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That is a disgusting amount for Bam. I think you’d have to wait till Nurk can be traded and he has to be an outgoing piece. I would do Ant + Nurk + whatever you can get for Hart + 3 1sts for Bam.

Don’t get why they’d trade Bam for Mitchell though. More likely he goes to NY.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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Why are teams giving so damn much for these guys?? We’ll have to wait on details, but deals like this make me wish we were trading Dame out. A few months to prove he’s better than Mitchell or Murray and we’d get an even bigger haul in return.

Sigh.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
I wonder if he’s going to Miami
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Knicks along with filler.

Barrett,Quickly, Fournier, Reddish,Toppin and four first including the Milwaukee 2025 1st.
 
Chris Craig said:
Knicks along with filler.

Barrett,Quickly, Fournier, Reddish,Toppin and four first including the Milwaukee 2025 1st.
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I just don't think Mitchell is that kind of player worth that much. Barrett is actually pretty good. Seems like Ainge wins that trade if it happens.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I just don't think Mitchell is that kind of player worth that much. Barrett is actually pretty good. Seems like Ainge wins that trade if it happens.
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He's not...but New York is stupid so to them he's worth getting the team of current AND future assets.

No wonder that franchise is a dumpster fire on a train wreck.
 
new york knicks will overpay, they cant risk not getting mitchell

if they get mitchell, they will be relevant for the next 7 or 8 years, being a regular playoff team will make everyone happy (owner, front office, fans) after years of disappointments
 
Mr. Robot said:
new york knicks will overpay, they cant risk not getting mitchell

if they get mitchell, they will be relevant for the next 7 or 8 years, being a regular playoff team will make everyone happy (owner, front office, fans) after years of disappointments
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They need to get a second all star there. They are desperate.
 
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