OT Donavan Mitchell trade watch

[julius]

First off it won't be Minnesota's stupid GM's making the picks.

Second, people thought the Boston picks acquired in the KG/Pierce trade were worth even less. Boston ended up with Brown and Tatum.

Sure the picks might not amount to much, but who knows, they might amount to an MVP. Getting a number of extra chance at a star is a great way if not the best way to rebuild a team.

If you're going to bring up the good, also bring up the bad. Minnesota got crap twice warmed over for KG.

And the Celtics didn't "end up" with Brown AND Tatum. They got the Tatum pick via a different completely unrelated trade.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If you're going to bring up the good, also bring up the bad. Minnesota got crap twice warmed over for KG.

And the Celtics didn't "end up" with Brown AND Tatum. They got the Tatum pick via a different completely unrelated trade.

Brooklyn traded what was the Fultz pick to Boston, who then traded it for the Tatum pick. So yes Boston got Tatum via a different trade, but it was definitely not unrelated.

 

[wizenheimer]

Second, people thought the Boston picks acquired in the KG/Pierce trade were worth even less. Boston ended up with Brown and Tatum

that's not true at all. Garnett was 37 and Pierce was 36. What "people' really thought was that Ainge totally snookered a Russian noob owner and Billy King. Kind of a larger version of the snookering after Chad Buchannen snookered Billy King in the Wallace for Dame (6th pick) trade

 

[RR7]

First off it won't be Minnesota's stupid GM's making the picks.

Second, people thought the Boston picks acquired in the KG/Pierce trade were worth even less. Boston ended up with Brown and Tatum.

Sure the picks might not amount to much, but who knows, they might amount to an MVP. Getting a number of extra chance at a star is a great way if not the best way to rebuild a team.

Nobody thought that about the Boston deal. Everyone mocked Brooklyn for that.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

First off it won't be Minnesota's stupid GM's making the picks.

Second, people thought the Boston picks acquired in the KG/Pierce trade were worth even less. Boston ended up with Brown and Tatum.

Sure the picks might not amount to much, but who knows, they might amount to an MVP. Getting a number of extra chance at a star is a great way if not the best way to rebuild a team.

Not accurate.
Everyone thought Brooklyn mortgaged everything for a couple of has beens. And it turned out, everyone was right.

 

[tykendo]

First off it won't be Minnesota's stupid GM's making the picks.

Second, people thought the Boston picks acquired in the KG/Pierce trade were worth even less. Boston ended up with Brown and Tatum.

Sure the picks might not amount to much, but who knows, they might amount to an MVP. Getting a number of extra chance at a star is a great way if not the best way to rebuild a team.

Uh actually Minnesota's GM is Tim Connelly who was instrumental in getting Jokic, & Murray in Denver. Dude is a good GM.

 

[blazerkor]

you didn't have any "if" in your post and were using speculation of the Mitchell trade to argue in favor of trading Lillard

as far as the Gobert trade, to start with, what one team pays for a player, who is a completely different player than Dame, is no indication at all at the market for Dame. Minny has been pretty universally gauged as having made a really stupid trade. As far as the return Utah got, the players aren't much, and the best player they got back is a convicted felon. What has made some ga-ga about the return is the draft pick capital, and there's plenty of reason to believe the picks won't amount to much, at least not over the next 4 seasons. Hard to "revamp" a team when the best assets returned might be draft picks 5 & 7 years from now

like it or not, and apparently, a bunch of people don't like it, Dame's extension pretty much kills his trade value for the next couple of seasons

Brooklyn traded what was the Fultz pick to Boston, who then traded it for the Tatum pick. So yes Boston got Tatum via a different trade, but it was definitely not unrelated.

Here's the rub. First of all the Jazz haven't even made the Mitchell trade yet. Then they will get something of value for Conley. When they get everything they're going to for these guys they are not going to wait around to make those picks. They will tank next season and use many of the future picks they get to trade for higher picks in the upcoming draft or young players.

They won't look at this as a rebuild where they're still adding rookies to the roster as foundational building blocks five years from now. This isn't going to be Houston or OKC, Ainge isn't that patient. He'll try to have all of the main pieces in place by the start of 2024-25.

If he continues to amass the kind of capital he did for Gobert when trading these other guys, he'll have an excellent chance at success. He's done it before.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

I don’t see how CJ compares to Mitchell. Mitchell was the best player on a team with the best record in the league. CJ isn’t capable of that. Also- Mitchell’s stats make a big jump from regular season to playoffs. He’s a primetime player.

 

[tykendo]

I don’t see how CJ compares to Mitchell. Mitchell was the best player on a team with the best record in the league. CJ isn’t capable of that. Also- Mitchell’s stats make a big jump from regular season to playoffs. He’s a primetime player.

And this is why, it's at least worth a look.

 

[tykendo]

Dame and Mitchell would be way more scary to any other team as a combo.

 

[tykendo]

If you could get Mitchell and Vanderbilt back together in a deal, even better. Add that to Nurk, Grant, Hart, Payton, and Nas. Damn! That's pretty cool.

 

[tykendo]

It's about the NOW! Worry about the later, then. Rebuilds can take 10 years. Whatever on that Foos.

 

[Hoopguru]

Boston with all their draft picks (Tatum & Brown #3) with the haul, still haven't won the championship. Yeah they knocked on the door a few times but since the 2013/14 season, I think they have underperformed in a conference that was pretty weak for a few years since then. They've had more talent in the East than just about anyone (except Toronto the year they won).

 

[tykendo]

Boston with all their draft picks (Tatum & Brown #3) with the haul, still haven't won the championship. Yeah they knocked on the door a few times but since the 2013/14 season, I think they have underperformed in a conference that was pretty weak for a few years since then. They've had more talent in the East than just about anyone (except Toronto the year they won).

I can easily see a tandem of Dame and Donovan knocking on the door.

 

[blazerkor]

Boston with all their draft picks (Tatum & Brown #3) with the haul, still haven't won the championship. Yeah they knocked on the door a few times but since the 2013/14 season, I think they have underperformed in a conference that was pretty weak for a few years since then. They've had more talent in the East than just about anyone (except Toronto the year they won).

STILL? Tatum is 24, Brown is 25, Robert Williams III is 24, Grant Williams is 23... so I wouldn't say that this young core along with the veterans of Smart, Horford, White and now Brogdon and Gallo still haven't won a championship I would say that they just got the the Finals for the first time and have an incredibly promising future. I think that's all any of us want is a legit shot at a title or in other words title contention. They've built a contender and their three and maybe even four best pieces are not even in their prime.

 

[tykendo]

STILL? Tatum is 24, Brown is 25, Robert Williams III is 24, Grant Williams is 23... so I wouldn't say that this young core along with the veterans of Smart, Horford, White and now Brogdon and Gallo still haven't won a championship I would say that they just got the the Finals for the first time and have an incredibly promising future. I think that's all any of us want is a legit shot at a title or in other words title contention. They've built a contender and their three and maybe even four best pieces are not even in their prime.

It definitely looks promising for them going forward.

 

[tykendo]

But if the Blazers were able to add Mitchell, and Vanderbilt in a deal, i like the Blazers chances in a series against them.

 

[Hoopguru]

STILL? Tatum is 24, Brown is 25, Robert Williams III is 24, Grant Williams is 23... so I wouldn't say that this young core along with the veterans of Smart, Horford, White and now Brogdon and Gallo still haven't won a championship I would say that they just got the the Finals for the first time and have an incredibly promising future. I think that's all any of us want is a legit shot at a title or in other words title contention. They've built a contender and their three and maybe even four best pieces are not even in their prime.

They are loaded with talent for sure. They are knocking at the door.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

STILL? Tatum is 24, Brown is 25, Robert Williams III is 24, Grant Williams is 23... so I wouldn't say that this young core along with the veterans of Smart, Horford, White and now Brogdon and Gallo still haven't won a championship I would say that they just got the the Finals for the first time and have an incredibly promising future. I think that's all any of us want is a legit shot at a title or in other words title contention. They've built a contender and their three and maybe even four best pieces are not even in their prime.

Yep. They made it to game 7 of ECF in Tatum’s rookie year and that was only 4 years ago.

 

[calvin natt]

Minnesota had had so many lottery picks over the years and they really haven't paid off to date.
The picks they give to Utah are a ways off, and wont probably pan out?

Anthony Edwards is paying off. I don’t get the “1st round picks are no guarantee” reasoning. Every nba all star except two are first round picks. I’ll take my chances.

 

[calvin natt]

you didn't have any "if" in your post and were using speculation of the Mitchell trade to argue in favor of trading Lillard

as far as the Gobert trade, to start with, what one team pays for a player, who is a completely different player than Dame, is no indication at all at the market for Dame. Minny has been pretty universally gauged as having made a really stupid trade. As far as the return Utah got, the players aren't much, and the best player they got back is a convicted felon. What has made some ga-ga about the return is the draft pick capital, and there's plenty of reason to believe the picks won't amount to much, at least not over the next 4 seasons. Hard to "revamp" a team when the best assets returned might be draft picks 5 & 7 years from now

like it or not, and apparently, a bunch of people don't like it, Dame's extension pretty much kills his trade value for the next couple of seasons

I didn’t (and don’t) think “if” was necessary to understand my point. But I’ll will start adding more words. Maybe someday my posts will reach 1000 words like some posters

 

[tykendo]

Anthony Edwards is paying off. I don’t get the “1st round picks are no guarantee” reasoning. Every nba all star except two are first round picks. I’ll take my chances.

I think because Minnesota will be good with Gobert at C, and KAT at PF, so those draft picks will likely be later part of 1st round. Not great.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think because Minnesota will be good with Gobert at C, and KAT at PF, so those draft picks will likely be later part of 1st round. Not great.

Yeah, they will do well in the regular season. I do wonder about their ability to defend the perimeter with their 2 bigs in the playoffs.

 

[calvin natt]

You could also easily argue that Utah has no reason to consider a rebuild. They have two very good players in their prime. Why are they even taking this route? Portland does have a reason to do it. They have 1 very good player and he’s over 30.

 

[tykendo]

You could also easily argue that Utah has no reason to consider a rebuild. They have two very good players in their prime. Why are they even taking this route? Portland does have a reason to do it. They have 1 very good player and he’s over 30.

That's why i'm not a Ainge fan. Plus I couldn't stand him in Boston, and as a Blazer , other than that game 2 vs. Chicago, so-so. He's a mad scientist. Utah was a piece away IMO. After a likely Mitchell trade, Lottery bound. Ainge is head strong in his ways.

 

[tykendo]

Heading out to work. Have a nice day all.

 

[Hoopguru]

Anthony Edwards is paying off. I don’t get the “1st round picks are no guarantee” reasoning. Every nba all star except two are first round picks. I’ll take my chances.

Just that the Wolves over the years have had numerous 1st picks of the draft and many lottery picks and they have underperformed. Yeah they have a couple (ones) now, that could bring them closer than they've ever been, but man over the last 25 years they've struggled.

 

[calvin natt]

Just that the Wolves over the years have had numerous 1st picks of the draft and many lottery picks and they have underperformed. Yeah they have a couple (ones) now, that could bring them closer than they've ever been, but man over the last 25 years they've struggled.

Which should be solely attributed to the guys making those picks. I don’t think past performance by other people should dictate future performance by new people. Or the warriors would still suck. And the clippers.

 

[wizenheimer]

I didn’t (and don’t) think “if” was necessary to understand my point. But I’ll will start adding more words. Maybe someday my posts will reach 1000 words like some posters

there is no ambiguity there. You said that directly in response to a speculative trade that had not happened, and still hasn't

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Boston with all their draft picks (Tatum & Brown #3) with the haul, still haven't won the championship. Yeah they knocked on the door a few times but since the 2013/14 season, I think they have underperformed in a conference that was pretty weak for a few years since then. They've had more talent in the East than just about anyone (except Toronto the year they won).

97% of teams don't win the championship.