OT Don't Be Dissin' The American Flag

[Lanny]

Less police resources, at any rate. Money, instead, going to socially-driven channels, I suppose.

Correct.
It does not mean the end of the police department. It means maybe things like juvenile crime and marital disputes can be settled some other way lessening but not eliminating the need for police resources.

 

[Hoopguru]

Correct.
It does not mean the end of the police department. It means maybe things like juvenile crime and marital disputes can be settled some other way lessening but not eliminating the need for police resources.

Reform is needed but budgets should be up to the Mayors. Cities that have less crime than others and there is a wide spectrum can find it easier to lower the cop budget. There are cities that will need to increase their budget as well.
There are some that want to go to the extreme too and do more than defund....

 

[THE HCP]

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports...-national-anthem-protest-kneel-014754786.html

Donald Trump: Drew Brees will 'regret' apologizing after comments on national anthem protests

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Which goes unnoticed. If the last week has taught us anything its that it takes a strong abrasive movement to get anyone to listen and pay attention.

They only give us rights when we give them riots. Every fucking time. This isn’t about politeness it’s about justice.

 

[jlprk]

They only give us rights when we give them riots.

It also requires videos of incidents. The incidents have been going on for centuries. What's new is the videos.

 

[stampedehero]

I do not--EAT SHIT, Drew!

Kaepernick was kneeling for the exact same reasons that people are protesting for, right now, literally as we speak. That flag doesn't stand for shit, if it doesn't stand for ALL individuals in our Once Great nation.

We still have a great nation. The politicians have corrupted and polluted the entire leadership structure. Their ass kissing, self serving or dishonest comments coupled with high handed attitude make me sick. If Trump, Pence, Pelosi, Graham would resign, we may feel enthusiasm again.

 

[stampedehero]

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Don't mix politics with good times. Your plans may go up in smoke. What end is the roach?
Besides, in '69, you needed three doobs to get a buzz because low quality weed was usually four finger count/20 bucks.

 

[stampedehero]

such a dumb fucking controversy


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it so damn dumb. Flags are 'desecrated' ubiquitously in this nation. There flag jock straps and flag swizzle sticks. Flags don't miraculously materialize out of thin air when somebody is suitably patriotic. Flags, in all the forms above and other forms, even just as a flag, are made by corporations so they can make money

and isn't just the height of irony to say that flags are acceptable tools for profit bu unacceptable tools for protest. That you can use the flag to make a buck but you can't use it to make a point. Drew needs to think a little bit or go on a crusade against all those items above

Scroll six down and you won't be interested in flags.

 

[kjironman1]

Thats your words, right?



Also your words, right?

Because what Colin did, wasn't disrespecting the flag.

This too?



Those are your words, right? Because you basically are passing judgement on how someone else is allowed to be patriotic or express themselves.



Yours again, right? Because you're, again, telling someone else who has a totally different experience in the US, to abide by how you have experienced being an American. You're also telling someone how they're supposed to react to oppression (when historically speaking, you are among the least oppressed group in the history of the US).



"seemingly" based on your world view, not that of others.



"other" non white statement...



Who runs the schools....(hint: it's the government). Who has historically been racist in a lot of it's laws, beliefs, and actions? (hint: it's the government). Who runs the police? (hint: it's not our homes).



No kidding, you see the flag as all that is right and pure about the country, and have never experienced what it's like to have fought for the country in a war only to come back and see "blacks only" and "whites only" signs, etc.



You seem to be playing into the idea that they are just talking and no actions. The players do speak in schools, do stuff in the community "and the like".



Again, so you're not basing what you consider patriotism based on your own personal experience and not allowing anyone who experiences it differently to express it, right?



When you've taken away any voice that people have and have oppressed them for generations, yes.



Live outside of your bubble, please.



taking a knee for the sake of a taking a knee is so dismissive of anyone eles's American experience.



When you are denied access to the higher ground in the first place...



You seem to be forgetting that they're doing it already, and what makes you the judge on how they should protest or elicit change? They've tried for generations to effect social change in the country.

I think that's enough evidence to show that you really shouldn't have told me to go back and read your comments. Your comments were nothing but a bunch of white privilege on display.

Owned.... For sure.

 

[Lanny]

Don't mix politics with good times. Your plans may go up in smoke. What end is the roach?
Besides, in '69, you needed three doobs to get a buzz because low quality weed was usually four finger count/20 bucks.

I've smoked roaches until they burned my fingers. Then I had an epiphany, I learned to eat the roach before I got burned.

 

[illmatic99]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/...r-of-the-virus.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

@ABM

I know you won't comment because you are seemingly ashamed of whom you support, but I'd like for you to at least look at this reverence for your precious flag.

Hypocrites.

 

[Lanny]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/...r-of-the-virus.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

@ABM

I know you won't comment because you are seemingly ashamed of whom you support, but I'd like for you to at least look at this reverence for your precious flag.

Hypocrites.

I'm not so sure that ABM even supports Trump these days. And I know damn well that if it weren't for the abortion issue he would definitely not support Trump.

 

[illmatic99]

I'm not so sure that ABM even supports Trump these days. And I know damn well that if it weren't for the abortion issue he would definitely not support Trump.

oh great, that again. Sorry, but that's absolute bullshit.

It's OK. I would be ashamed if I voted for trump too.

 

[Lanny]

oh great, that again. Sorry, but that's absolute bullshit.

It's OK. I would be ashamed if I voted for trump too.

All you have to do is look at what he's said without a jaundiced eye.

 

[THE HCP]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/...r-of-the-virus.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

@ABM

I know you won't comment because you are seemingly ashamed of whom you support, but I'd like for you to at least look at this reverence for your precious flag.

Hypocrites.

These "people" make me sick.

 

[Minstrel]

All you have to do is look at what he's said without a jaundiced eye.

He's continually said he supports Trump on a number of issues and he'll be voting for Trump again. ABM may be a nice person one-on-one, but he's willing to support a pretty open bigot.

 

[Lanny]

He's continually said he supports Trump on a number of issues and he'll be voting for Trump again. ABM may be a nice person one-on-one, but he's willing to support a pretty open bigot.

He's said in here that he's not so sure about Trump and that if it weren't for the abortion issue Trump would lose his support.
I think you guys are overlooking some of those statements.

 

[ABM]

I said I won't be voting for Biden. I said I have, and would continue to, support John Kasich. He was really my guy all along. I said that Trump does a LOT of things that greatly disappoint and disturb me. I said I support Trump on tough immigration laws (not the separating families aspect, though), 2nd Amendment, Christian freedoms, right-to-life, and other things. I've said many, many things regarding Trump over the years. I'm pretty much a lone soldier in here, I know that.

I love our AMERICAN flag! I wish those buffoons wouldn't desecrate it like that.

 

[jlprk]

 

[Hoopguru]

oh great, that again. Sorry, but that's absolute bullshit.

It's OK. I would be ashamed if I voted for trump too.

Exactly
That’s why I didn’t for either Clinton or Trump.
I won’t endorse untrustworthy politicians or what ever trump is.
So I vote my conscience. I will this time also unless Joe really goes sideways.

 

[illmatic99]

I said I won't be voting for Biden. I said I have, and would continue to, support John Kasich. He was really my guy all along. I said that Trump does a LOT of things that greatly disappoint and disturb me. I said I support Trump on tough immigration laws (not the separating families aspect, though), 2nd Amendment, Christian freedoms, right-to-life, and other things. I've said many, many things regarding Trump over the years. I'm pretty much a lone soldier in here, I know that.

I love our AMERICAN flag! I wish those buffoons wouldn't desecrate it like that.

Please go ahead and write in John Kasich on your ballot this year.

 

[Lanny]

I said I won't be voting for Biden. I said I have, and would continue to, support John Kasich. He was really my guy all along. I said that Trump does a LOT of things that greatly disappoint and disturb me. I said I support Trump on tough immigration laws (not the separating families aspect, though), 2nd Amendment, Christian freedoms, right-to-life, and other things. I've said many, many things regarding Trump over the years. I'm pretty much a lone soldier in here, I know that.

I love our AMERICAN flag! I wish those buffoons wouldn't desecrate it like that.

I wish no one desecrated the flag but that is their Constitutional right to free speech and I will defend that right the same as I did my best to defend our country.
Obviously I would never desecrate our flag when I have one flying atop a 20 foot lighted flagpole with an all weather flag flying night and day. I love the flag and I love the country for which it stands.
I don't love racism, systematic or otherwise and think it's our country's no. 1 problem. I will not rest until ALL of us are treated equally. I've felt that way since I was 12 years old.
Here's a bit of flag etiquette that I would like all to know. When saluting the flag while wearing a baseball type of soft hat, one places the thumb and two nearest fingers, of the right hand, grasping the bill of the hat and then hold the hat over the left shoulder with the hand near the heart.

"All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart."

https://www.military.com/flag-day/flag-ettiquette-dos-and-donts.html

 

[Road Ratt]

The flag is a symbol of a country. If the country doesn't stand for the morals they claim to have, the flag means nothing.

Our American flag has meant nothing since the mid 60's. In reality, America has never stood up for it's own morals, therefore our flag has never meant anything either, other than the lies we have all been made to believe that it stands for.

 

[kjironman1]

America has never stood up for it's own morals, therefore our flag has never meant anything either,

Really Now?
Obviously you are not paying attention.

 

[Road Ratt]

Really Now?
Obviously you are not paying attention.

Your comment isn't helpful at all.

(If you disagree, show me why. Or at least ask me why I see things the way I do. A silly meaningless comment on the internet doesn't do either of us any good.)

 

[Lanny]

Your comment isn't helpful at all.

(If you disagree, show me why. Or at least ask me why I see things the way I do. A silly meaningless comment on the internet doesn't do either of us any good.)

If this isn't self obvious then I highly doubt that I could ever explain it to you.

 

[Road Ratt]

If this isn't self obvious then I highly doubt that I could ever explain it to you.

We haven't even started our debate and already you believe that you are correct and that I am the one who is wrong. That is wrong-headed thinking.


Ask black people if America has ever stood for it's own morals. They are fighting for their rights as humans, here in 2020.

I would say that institutionalized racism would qualify as... America having no morals.

Edit: I can disagree with people all day long. The problem comes when people turn the debate directly towards me. Please keep the debate on the topic and leave me out of it, and we will have no problems, ever. If you must, at least ask where I am coming from and I will try to explain, if possible.

 

[e_blazer]

We haven't even started our debate and already you believe that you are correct and that I am the one who is wrong. That is wrong-headed thinking.


Ask black people if America has ever stood for it's own morals. They are fighting for their rights as humans, here in 2020.

I would say that institutionalized racism would qualify as... America having no morals.

Edit: I can disagree with people all day long. The problem comes when people turn the debate directly towards me. Please keep the debate on the topic and leave me out of it, and we will have no problems, ever. If you must, at least ask where I am coming from and I will try to explain, if possible.

I would say that there are two problems with that statement:

1. Countries don't have morals other than those of the people living in those countries. All countries are made up of good and bad people. The overall moral tendencies of a people get institutionalized through a constitution. America's constitution is a document that shows that the predominant character of this country was founded on positive moral principles. Unfortunately, the institution of slavery shows that men often turn a blind eye to moral principles when money is involved.

2. All countries have blotches on their historic records. They also have things that have been done that are admirable and at times selfless. By far, slavery and racism are America's biggest stains, but there are plenty of others. Having stains, IMO, does not equate to having no morals. What a people choose to do about those stains shows the true moral fiber of a nation.

America has made painfully slow and hard-fought progress on issues of civil rights since the Civil War, but we're far from where we need to be. It seems to me that we may have reached an inflection point in our struggle with racism. I think there are far more people who are ready to make further needed changes than at any point in our history. Sure, there are plenty of other people with dark hearts on the issue of race who won't give up their biases easily, but if enough people are willing to push hard enough, this could just turn out to be a defining moment in our history where we make moves towards fulfilling the notion that all people are created equal and that liberty and justice for all truly is something that is not a privilege belonging to only white Americans, but rather to all Americans.

 

[kjironman1]

Your comment isn't helpful at all.

(If you disagree, show me why. Or at least ask me why I see things the way I do. A silly meaningless comment on the internet doesn't do either of us any good.)

I captioned the issue with your statement. Not up to me to explain your meaning. That is up to you.
You seem to think America has never stood up for it's own morals.
AND therefore the flag doesn't mean anything.

If you cannot figure out the problems with this statement i certainly will not be explaining it to you. Maybe you should explain it so people reading don't think you are completely out of touch?