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ABM said:
As I'm not Portland local, I miss some of the other things going on there. That said, anything such as the RESPECT program gets my vote as players making above and beyond efforts to get involved in their communities. Bravo for Dame!

  • Show Up – Arriving on time each day ready to engage and learn shows respect for your family and teachers.
  • Work Hard – Working hard and doing your best shows respect for yourself and your future.
  • Be Kind – Being kind, showing respect and valuing the differences in others.
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So is it your opinion that they shouldn't be doing other things like taking action in protests, or kneeling during the national anthem? Just how you think someone should take a stand or have a voice is the only way?
 
Trump says he hopes George Floyd 'looking down' and seeing today’s jobs numbers as 'a great day for him'

Donald Trump has said he hopes George Floyd is "looking down right now" and saying the decline in US unemployment announced on Friday is a "great thing that's happening for our country".

The nation's unemployment rate saw a surprise decline following the coronavirus pandemic but remains higher than during the Great Recession, prompting the president to state that a strong economy was central to improving racial tensions.

His remarks follow Thursday's memorial for Mr Floyd, who was killed by police on Memorial Day after an officer forced his knee on the back of his neck for nearly nine minutes while facing the ground in handcuffs.



The president said: "Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, 'This is a great thing that's happening for our country. It's a great day for him, it's a great day for everybody. It's a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day."

Asked how the rate of unemployment among black Americans can be considered a "victory" as it continues to increase, the president told White House reporter Yamiche Alcindor, "You are something."
 
ABM said:
While we disagree on various matters, I find you to be a reasonable and thoughtful poster in here. This is an article you might be interested in reading.....

https://stanfordmag.org/contents/the-protesters-aims-are-noble-their-protests-are-not
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I read it and it's an editorial by a priveleged guy who uses the descriptor "noble" to describe protest....nobles were royals...court favorites...bad adjective to address racial injustice in this manner. Also the emphasis is on how the protester is perceived by the status quo...not the spark that change can instigate....I learned virtually nothing from the article....read Nelson George, Maya Angelou, James Baldwin, Malcom X, Doctor King and others for civil rights perspectives...Buckley tried to debate Baldwin and that didn't end well...whites need to shut up and listen about racial profiling and not trying to whitesplain it to minorities in the country any more. Andrew Friedman has a circuit where he whitesplains politics for profit...bright lawyer but not the voice representing racial oppression....
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
Trump says he hopes George Floyd 'looking down' and seeing today’s jobs numbers as 'a great day for him'

Donald Trump has said he hopes George Floyd is "looking down right now" and saying the decline in US unemployment announced on Friday is a "great thing that's happening for our country".

The nation's unemployment rate saw a surprise decline following the coronavirus pandemic but remains higher than during the Great Recession, prompting the president to state that a strong economy was central to improving racial tensions.

His remarks follow Thursday's memorial for Mr Floyd, who was killed by police on Memorial Day after an officer forced his knee on the back of his neck for nearly nine minutes while facing the ground in handcuffs.



The president said: "Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, 'This is a great thing that's happening for our country. It's a great day for him, it's a great day for everybody. It's a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day."

Asked how the rate of unemployment among black Americans can be considered a "victory" as it continues to increase, the president told White House reporter Yamiche Alcindor, "You are something."
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Fucking clueless
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Trump says he hopes George Floyd 'looking down' and seeing today’s jobs numbers as 'a great day for him'

Donald Trump has said he hopes George Floyd is "looking down right now" and saying the decline in US unemployment announced on Friday is a "great thing that's happening for our country".

The nation's unemployment rate saw a surprise decline following the coronavirus pandemic but remains higher than during the Great Recession, prompting the president to state that a strong economy was central to improving racial tensions.

His remarks follow Thursday's memorial for Mr Floyd, who was killed by police on Memorial Day after an officer forced his knee on the back of his neck for nearly nine minutes while facing the ground in handcuffs.



The president said: "Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying, 'This is a great thing that's happening for our country. It's a great day for him, it's a great day for everybody. It's a great day for everybody. This is a great, great day."

Asked how the rate of unemployment among black Americans can be considered a "victory" as it continues to increase, the president told White House reporter Yamiche Alcindor, "You are something."
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is this fucking real?
 
ABM said:
While we disagree on various matters, I find you to be a reasonable and thoughtful poster in here. This is an article you might be interested in reading.....

https://stanfordmag.org/contents/the-protesters-aims-are-noble-their-protests-are-not
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You remind of my uncle Dean. Super nice guy. Kinda of a metrosexual. Has a story about everything and very knowledgeable. Wouldn’t harm a fly.

But the world outside of his little bubble he’s super naive to.

Oh and he’s blindly conservative too. In a family full of Democrats.
 
Shaboid said:
So is it your opinion that they shouldn't be doing other things like taking action in protests, or kneeling during the national anthem? Just how you think someone should take a stand or have a voice is the only way?
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Never said that.

What I AM saying is, if you're going to the effort to protest, why not back it up with other efforts (such as Dame's)? I mean, in this context, we're talking about highly privileged individuals. Much more highly privileged than any of us here. I can guarantee that. Why would they NOT take that privilege, extrapolate that productively within their respective communities (if not collectively), and set an incredible example....as opposed to taking a knee for taking a knee's sake? I'm sure many are. My point is generally speaking.
 
ABM said:
Never said that.

What I AM saying is, if you're going to the effort to protest, why not back it up with other efforts (such as Dame's)? I mean, in this context, we're talking about highly privileged individuals. Much more highly privileged than any of us here. I can guarantee that. Why would they NOT take that privilege, extrapolate that productively within their respective communities (if not collectively), and set an incredible example....as opposed to taking a knee for taking a knee's sake? I'm sure many are. My point is generally speaking.
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because Colin K didn't take a knee for taking a knee's sake....he took a knee to protest cops killing and harrassing black people and you're making an assumption these guys haven't taught their children, visited schools, lectured, promoted civil rights and community health while being athletes....what you are saying is "black" wealthy athletes are abusing privilege which is very white of you to say and never assume other people aren't proactive even while they have successful careers...Martin Sheen has been arrested at hundreds of protests...a lot of wealthy people and famous people have stood for the cause....need I remind you Muhammed Ali went to prison for his beliefs and lost a fortune being banned from his sport?
 
riverman said:
I read it and it's an editorial by a priveleged guy who uses the descriptor "noble" to describe protest....nobles were royals...court favorites...bad adjective to address racial injustice in this manner. Also the emphasis is on how the protester is perceived by the status quo...not the spark that change can instigate....I learned virtually nothing from the article....read Nelson George, Maya Angelou, James Baldwin, Malcom X, Doctor King and others for civil rights perspectives...Buckley tried to debate Baldwin and that didn't end well...whites need to shut up and listen about racial profiling and not trying to whitesplain it to minorities in the country any more. Andrew Friedman has a circuit where he whitesplains politics for profit...bright lawyer but not the voice representing racial oppression....
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Good points. That said, with all these protests going on, I'm wondering who the target audiences are supposed to be? The government alone? Hmmm. I still believe change happens in the heart, and that begins in the home, our local (trusted) communities and in our educational systems. As I pointed out elsewhere, I'm super pleased that players such as Damon are taking their messages to the communities. Need to be more white boys doing it, as well. Kids don't forget this stuff.
 
riverman said:
because Colin K didn't take a knee for taking a knee's sake....he took a knee to protest cops killing and harrassing black people and you're making an assumption these guys haven't taught their children, visited schools, lectured, promoted civil rights and community health while being athletes....what you are saying is "black" wealthy athletes are abusing privilege which is very white of you to say and never assume other people aren't proactive even while they have successful careers...Martin Sheen has been arrested at hundreds of protests...a lot of wealthy people and famous people have stood for the cause....need I remind you Muhammed Ali went to prison for his beliefs and lost a fortune being banned from his sport?
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Never said that at all. I said, as a whole, parents need to be teaching their kids. Outside of that, our local communities. Outside of that, our educational systems. Outside of that, role models. Charles Barkley can say all he wants on the subject, but kids DO look up to these guys.
 
MickZagger said:
You remind of my uncle Dean. Super nice guy. Kinda of a metrosexual. Has a story about everything and very knowledgeable. Wouldn’t harm a fly.

But the world outside of his little bubble he’s super naive to.

Oh and he’s blindly conservative too. In a family full of Democrats.
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Loves me some Uncle Dean! LOL ;)

(although, I only have around 5 pair of shoes. ;) )
 
ABM said:
Never said that at all. I said, as a whole, parents need to be teaching their kids. Outside of that, our local communities. Outside of that, our educational systems. Outside of that, role models. Charles Barkley can say all he wants on the subject, but kids DO look up to these guys.
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you did say taking a knee for taking a knee's sake....watering down what he did and alluded that wealthy athletes don't do enough...hence my retort
 
riverman said:
you did say taking a knee for taking a knee's sake....watering down what he did and alluded that wealthy athletes don't do enough...hence my retort
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What I said was, rather than simply taking a knee, why not model what it stands for....especially since you have all the material and time resources to do anything you want to do in life? Kids want to emulate these guys. Take them to a higher ground.
 
ABM said:
Never said that.

What I AM saying is, if you're going to the effort to protest, why not back it up with other efforts (such as Dame's)? I mean, in this context, we're talking about highly privileged individuals. Much more highly privileged than any of us here. I can guarantee that. Why would they NOT take that privilege, extrapolate that productively within their respective communities (if not collectively), and set an incredible example....as opposed to taking a knee for taking a knee's sake? I'm sure many are. My point is generally speaking.
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It is why I asked.

This take is weird to me in so many ways though. Just because someone now has a a multi-million dollar salary, does not mean they are automatically more privileged. There are many articles about Damien on how he didn't grow up privileged.

"Taking a knee to take a knee's sake"? You aren't recognizing WHY they are taking a knee, and that is what confuses me.
 
ABM said:
Never said that at all. I said, as a whole, parents need to be teaching their kids. Outside of that, our local communities. Outside of that, our educational systems. Outside of that, role models. Charles Barkley can say all he wants on the subject, but kids DO look up to these guys.
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Charles Barkley is more of a role model to our children than our elected officials? Aren't the latter supposed to be the leaders? You are seriously pointing your finger at the wrong people.
 
ABM said:
Well, I sure can't help it if you're not able to discern anything from my comments. Take a few moments to go back through them, if you even care to. Obviously, you have no concept of the term troll.
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Wait, what??? You state you don’t read an entire thread before you post, yet you suggest others should do so??? How very ABM. And a troll dumps turds in a punch bowl for no other reason than to get a reaction they can laugh at. Exactly what you’ve done since your “return”
 
Shaboid said:
It is why I asked.

This take is weird to me in so many ways though. Just because someone now has a a multi-million dollar salary, does not mean they are automatically more privileged. There are many articles about Damien on how he didn't grow up privileged.

"Taking a knee to take a knee's sake"? You aren't recognizing WHY they are taking a knee, and that is what confuses me.
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Professional athletes are a highly recognized entity. Such as movie and/or rock stars, as it were. I'm simply advocating that these NFL players use their platform in a means beyond taking a knee at any given football game. OK, so they take a knee. How does that effect social change in and of itself. These guys are effective role models. They're not average Joe's on the streets of our nation's cities.
 
ABM said:
How does that effect social change in and of itself.
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It generates a reaction to blind patriotism in face of human injustice...so much so that people not in the business of football are talking about a guy they might have never known about outside of his protest...I'm not a football fan myself...but I sure know who he is and why he took a knee. It's affecting social change right now...as I've said...he'll be in history books for civil rights..not football accomplishments
 
Shaboid said:
Charles Barkley is more of a role model to our children than our elected officials? Aren't the latter supposed to be the leaders? You are seriously pointing your finger at the wrong people.
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Not at all.

However, look at all that our elected officials have done over the past number of decades. Not a whole lot of progress in that regard. That said, though, community townhall meetings/workshops, led by our local elected officials sounds like a pretty novel idea.
 
riverman said:
It generates a reaction to blind patriotism in face of human injustice.
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Human injustice has been around for centuries. When did this so-called blind patriotism show up? Is this simply a Trump-induced phenomenon?
 
ABM said:
Not at all.

However, look at all that our elected officials have done over the past number of decades. Not a whole lot of progress in that regard. That said, though, community townhall meetings/workshops, led by our local elected officials sounds like a pretty novel idea.
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Who ever said anything against community townhall meetings/workgroups?

I just don't understand how anyone is able to tell another person how to PEACEFULLY prostest.
 
ABM said:
Human injustice has been around for centuries. When did this so-called blind patriotism show up? Is this simply a Trump-induced phenomenon?
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give me a break......you are doing the Amway salesman thing again....fishing with questions...make a statement and stand by it.....a condescending question at that....is it simply a Trump induced phenomenon..? No..(As if you didn't know that or know I knew that)..Trump didn't invent white privilege...he just enables it with his words and you get to swallow that with your vote and feel however you feel about it...stay with me here....you really want to isolate racial profiling in defense of bad behavior? Talk about boorish post we need to move on from...yours here was a doozy and you should consider that "blind partisanship" tag closely...it applies...Harvey Weinstein didn't invent sexual harrassment either but hey....he's certainly guilty of it...try dealing with tangibles here...it's not a mystery...human injustice has been around for centuries so that makes it somehow...ok? Unimportant? Blown out of proportion? The truth IS the truth
 
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