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Why should we be policing and dealing with 10K pris
barfo said:
Reports are that we only had 50 people in the area. That's not getting 'bogged down'.

What those 50 were effectively doing, though, was preventing Turkey from launching an attack on the Kurds. Because killing the Americans would not have been good politics for Turkey.

What Trump did was not so much about recalling troops as it was about giving Turkey permission to kill our allies.

Not sure why you'd like that?

barfo
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Whatever....I favored Obama pulling out of Iraq knowing a void would be filled, but our mission was done.
50/100? American troops were not put there for never-ending duties. Why cant UN/NATO or other Islamic countries be the buffer?
We have Troops in other areas of the middle east that could react quickly.
 
Hoopguru said:
Whatever....I favored Obama pulling out of Iraq knowing a void would be filled, but our mission was done.
50/100? American troops were not put there for never-ending duties. Why cant UN/NATO or other Islamic countries be the buffer?
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Maybe they would have if we'd asked them. But Trump didn't bother to even give them notice of his plans. Even if you wanted to get those 50 guys out, the way he went about it was horrifically stupid.

But what you are missing is the Kurds were serving the role of replacing us in battle. They had vastly more men there than we did. And when Turkey wipes them out, we've not only lost our allies, but we've probably lost the ability to ask anyone else to fight in place of us.

We have Troops in other areas of the middle east that could react quickly.
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React quickly to what? I thought you didn't want our troops 'reacting' to things over there?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Maybe they would have if we'd asked them. But Trump didn't bother to even give them notice of his plans. Even if you wanted to get those 50 guys out, the way he went about it was horrifically stupid.

But what you are missing is the Kurds were serving the role of replacing us in battle. They had vastly more men there than we did. And when Turkey wipes them out, we've not only lost our allies, but we've probably lost the ability to ask anyone else to fight in place of us.



React quickly to what? I thought you didn't want our troops 'reacting' to things over there?

barfo
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I never said I didn't want our troops reacting to things over there. Please be accurate when you are correcting me. I don't want us getting caught up or bogged down.
Sure we still have a presence in the middle east don't we?
The Kurds are everywhere in that region, Iraq, Iran, Syria, & Turkey.
I dont want anyone slaughtered for any reason. I think there is a buffer zone to accommodate Syrian refugees and hopefully Kurds. The Turks and Kurds have also fought together against ISIL.
At some point these Muslim countries need to step up and address all the civil war and infighting within their own regions. Thats my opinion, but probably not yours right?

The Kurds are the largest ethnic minority in Turkey. ... There are Kurds living in various provinces of Turkey, but they are primarily concentrated in the east and southeast of the country, within the region viewed by Kurds as Turkish Kurdistan.
Where are the other nations that could assist as the buffer/insurance that the Kurds wont get slaughtered?
I had strong feelings about leaving Iraq knowing there would be another insurgency happening, same with Afghanistan.
 
barfo said:
They wouldn't scare me if I lived in Wyoming either.

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Me thinks you'd actually be happy there. We're planning to do a driving trip from Yellowstone -> Lake Louise, Canada trip next Fall. Should be fun.
 
Hoopguru said:
I never said I didn't want our troops reacting to things over there. Please be accurate when you are correcting me. I don't want us getting caught up or bogged down.
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I'm sorry if I misrepresented what you were saying. It wasn't clear to me what you meant.
Is your idea rather than using our military to prevent violence, we should stand off and wait for it to happen, and then swoop in?
For instance, should we withdraw troops from S. Korea and wait till Kim Jong Un launches an attack? We'd still have lots of troops in Japan who could react.
Just trying to understand the Hoopguru Doctrine, not trying to put words in your mouth.

Sure we still have a presence in the middle east don't we?
The Kurds are everywhere in that region, Iraq, Iran, Syria, & Turkey.
I dont want anyone slaughtered for any reason. I think there is a buffer zone to accommodate Syrian refugees and hopefully Kurds. The Turks and Kurds have also fought together against ISIL.
At some point these Muslim countries need to step up and address all the civil war and infighting within their own regions. Thats my opinion, but probably not yours right?
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It would be great if they solved their own problems, peacefully. I'm not sure if that's a realistic thought, but I agree with you it would be optimal.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I'm sorry if I misrepresented what you were saying. It wasn't clear to me what you meant.
Is your idea rather than using our military to prevent violence, we should stand off and wait for it to happen, and then swoop in?
For instance, should we withdraw troops from S. Korea and wait till Kim Jong Un launches an attack? We'd still have lots of troops in Japan who could react.
Just trying to understand the Hoopguru Doctrine, not trying to put words in your mouth.



It would be great if they solved their own problems, peacefully. I'm not sure if that's a realistic thought, but I agree with you it would be optimal.

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Listen man, I dont have a doctrine per say, just opinions or thoughts and they could be all wrong or right?
Im a bit tired of your arrogance and no it all bs, seems like you surgically strike at everything I share on here? Yeah, you are the revered philosopher on this site and Im just an old fart with an opinion.
This subject of war & conflict is near and dear to me.
 
MarAzul said:
Are you seriously tell me, and everyone else here that we need to keep troops in Syria to keep Turkey from doing atrocities? My god man, when does this shit stop? Forget the answer to this, as I know the answer is no!
We had no troop in Syria before Trump became President. He sent them there to eliminate ISIS, thank goodness we had the Kurd's as allies while doing so. But if the turks, a Nato Ally are now to commit atrocities if we leave, what the fuck kind of deal it that?
No! Perhaps the world need to react, perhaps NATO. But no friggin way is it the US' responsibility to stay there for eternity.
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With friends like these...
 
Propagandist said:
With friends like these...
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Yeah, you guys amaze me! Ready to sign up the troop to stay in hell for eternity. Man you know this is a new take for Dems, Libs, Progs, or what every the hell you hail by.
The only reason you are doing it is because Trump said, bring them home. WTF? Mindless.

I am glad Trump did it! Look! It has the eyes of the world on Turkey to see if they really will do atrocious things and garner the wrath of the world on them!!!
Much better than our guy staying there as friggin targets pretending to be Occupiers.

But, they are not out of there yet. We shall see if you end up with it your way.
 
MarAzul said:
Yeah, you guys amaze me! Ready to sign up the troop to stay in hell for eternity. Man you know this is a new take for Dems, Libs, Progs, or what every the hell you hail by.
The only reason you are doing it is because Trump said, bring them home. WTF? Mindless.

I am glad Trump did it! Look! It has the eyes of the world on Turkey to see if they really will do atrocious things and garner the wrath of the world on them!!!
Much better than our guy staying there as friggin targets pretending to be Occupiers.

But, they are not out of there yet. We shall see if you end up with it your way.
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It’s funny that people think Trump has the best intentions and has really thought this through. He’s being played, like usual.
 
MarAzul said:
Yeah, you guys amaze me! Ready to sign up the troop to stay in hell for eternity. Man you know this is a new take for Dems, Libs, Progs, or what every the hell you hail by.
The only reason you are doing it is because Trump said, bring them home. WTF? Mindless.

I am glad Trump did it! Look! It has the eyes of the world on Turkey to see if they really will do atrocious things and garner the wrath of the world on them!!!
Much better than our guy staying there as friggin targets pretending to be Occupiers.

But, they are not out of there yet. We shall see if you end up with it your way.
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trump is a fake tough guy. He talks tough and then backs off when pushed.

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Hoopguru said:
Listen man, I dont have a doctrine per say, just opinions or thoughts and they could be all wrong or right?
Im a bit tired of your arrogance and no it all bs, seems like you surgically strike at everything I share on here? Yeah, you are the revered philosopher on this site and Im just an old fart with an opinion.
This subject of war & conflict is near and dear to me.
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Thats pretty much how a pirate works.
 
MarAzul said:
Yeah, you guys amaze me! Ready to sign up the troop to stay in hell for eternity. Man you know this is a new take for Dems, Libs, Progs, or what every the hell you hail by.
The only reason you are doing it is because Trump said, bring them home. WTF? Mindless.

I am glad Trump did it! Look! It has the eyes of the world on Turkey to see if they really will do atrocious things and garner the wrath of the world on them!!!
Much better than our guy staying there as friggin targets pretending to be Occupiers.

But, they are not out of there yet. We shall see if you end up with it your way.
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And if you think for a second that if a Democrat made this decision, you, Maris, Trump etc would be supportive you are flat out lying.
 
Well Trump did declare he was his own war room and didn't need daily briefings ...said it's not how he likes to make a deal....sheesh
 
MarAzul said:
Yeah, you guys amaze me! Ready to sign up the troop to stay in hell for eternity. Man you know this is a new take for Dems, Libs, Progs, or what every the hell you hail by.
The only reason you are doing it is because Trump said, bring them home. WTF? Mindless.

I am glad Trump did it! Look! It has the eyes of the world on Turkey to see if they really will do atrocious things and garner the wrath of the world on them!!!
Much better than our guy staying there as friggin targets pretending to be Occupiers.

But, they are not out of there yet. We shall see if you end up with it your way.
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The things you say... The outrage is universal.
 
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