Politics Dont like the guy...but I like his decision

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Hoopguru said:
Listen man, I dont have a doctrine per say, just opinions or thoughts and they could be all wrong or right?
Im a bit tired of your arrogance and no it all bs, seems like you surgically strike at everything I share on here? Yeah, you are the revered philosopher on this site and Im just an old fart with an opinion.
This subject of war & conflict is near and dear to me.
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Ok, sorry. I wasn't trying to piss you off. I'm just another old fart with an opinion.

I'm not targeting you. You started a thread on politics and war - it's probably not reasonable to expect no one to disagree with your opinion. But I apologize for being obnoxious about it.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Ok, sorry. I wasn't trying to piss you off. I'm just another old fart with an opinion.

I'm not targeting you. You started a thread on politics and war - it's probably not reasonable to expect no one to disagree with your opinion. But I apologize for being obnoxious about it.

barfo
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No worries
I apologize for being short!
 
calvin natt said:
Republicans coming out against this decision. But trump supporters in here all for it. Sheep.
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The Deep State is indeed against this, and why they have tried everything they can think of to take him from power.

The only sheep are those too stupid to question why we are there in the first place.

Trump promised to get us out and his supporters voted for him because of that promise.

Because he has now kept that promise and many others, we will elect him again.
 
MARIS61 said:
The Deep State is indeed against this, and why they have tried everything they can think of to take him from power.

The only sheep are those too stupid to question why we are there in the first place.

Trump promised to get us out and his supporters voted for him because of that promise.

Because he has now kept that promise and many others, we will elect him again.
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But he hasn't gotten us out. He moved 50 to 100 guys from one part of Syria to another.

barfo
 
Lanny said:
Not to worry, this has all been carefully thought out by Trump's very very large brain while sitting on the toilet.
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I wish it was just the toilet.

The decision to move out was made immediately after his phone call with Turkey's dictator. As in, the great negotiator himself gave in to a despot, and surprise surprise, the move aids his guy Vlad.

Speaking of toilets, this country's reputation is in it. What an embarrassment.
 
barfo said:
But he hasn't gotten us out. He moved 50 to 100 guys from one part of Syria to another.

barfo
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I think, this is the same take as I have. It rather amazes me that the libs expected these guys stay and hold off the Turks.
 
MarAzul said:
I think, this is the same take as I have.
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Judging from your next sentence, you misunderstood my post.

It rather amazes me that the libs expected these guys stay and hold off the Turks.
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Those guys weren't holding off the Turks. Obviously 50 guys cannot hold off an army.

The US government was holding off the Turks, successfully, until Trump caved for no particular reason that has been revealed.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Trump caved for no particular reason that has been revealed.
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It seems to me he has promised massive economic repercussions to the Turks. But I am pleased he moved the troops, so few they are. No sense in leaving them a trip wire.
 
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MarAzul said:
I think, this is the same take as I have. It rather amazes me that the libs expected these guys stay and hold off the Turks.
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must have gone to the Donald Trump School of Politics. Yeah. 50 guys were fending off Turkey.
 
Trump said escaped ISIS prisoners not a problem since they will go to Europe. Also , Kurds only defeated ISIS, they didn't storm the beach at Normandy, so screw them. Examples of his great and unmatched wisdom.
 
crandc said:
Trump said escaped ISIS prisoners not a problem since they will go to Europe. Also , Kurds only defeated ISIS, they didn't storm the beach at Normandy, so screw them. Examples of his great and unmatched wisdom.
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Such a twat. Not you. Trump.
 
calvin natt said:
Republicans coming out against this decision. But trump supporters in here all for it. Sheep.
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To be fair, if you follow any political party you are a sheep yourself, you just are being led by a different herder than the other side is.

Just sayin.

#FUCKPOLITICS!
 
People still standing by Trump after this Syria/Turkey decision are out of their damn minds. There is not one good thing about this decision.
 
crandc said:
Trump said escaped ISIS prisoners not a problem since they will go to Europe. Also , Kurds only defeated ISIS, they didn't storm the beach at Normandy, so screw them. Examples of his great and unmatched wisdom.
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Europe is going to take back 12,000 ISIS fighters? I wonder if the Europeans are aware of this plan.
 
Lanny said:
Europe is going to take back 12,000 ISIS fighters? I wonder if the Europeans are aware of this plan.
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They should be. It is the word from the Turkish President on what he will do if the EU labels his invasion of the Kurdish lands and invasion.
 
Shaboid said:
I'm sure these are deep state generals that are referenced, but I found the insights very thought provoking.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/military-officers-trump/598360/
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I expect this statement from your article is close to stating the actual problem.

"As a personal quality, this can be trying; in a president, it is dangerous. Trump rejects the careful process of decision making that has long guided commanders in chief.Disdain for processmight be the defining trait of his leadership. Of course, no process can guarantee good decisions—history makes that clear—but eschewing the tools available to a president is choosing ignorance. What Trump’s supporters call “the deep state” is, in the world of national security—hardly a bastion of progressive politics—a vast reservoir of knowledge and global experience that presidents ignore at their peril."

The military says things like;
The Kurd's are our allies.
They fought our fight.
You don't abandon your allies.
The Kurd's expected to get a Kurdish territory.

And I don't say these people are necessarily wrong, but they forget;
The American President, is not the final word on world affairs. He is in charge of American interest, and the American military, including their safety.

Some of this friction in the region stems all the way back to WWI and how the countries of Turkey, Iraq, Syria came about, including the lack of a Kurdish country.
Our taking out Saddam Hussein opened the wound all over again, and here we are, with Troops in the middle east and the President operating on an authorization to use force there, from years ago.

This authorization has not a damn thing to do with taking on a fight with Turkey. We have not the force there to do so. Trump is spot on! To pull those guy in harms way out of there.
Perhaps the world, including the US Congress, the US House of representative, should call for stopping the Turks, Nato allies or not, from invading what perhaps ought to be Kurdistan.
If so then Nancy Pelosi as the Speaker must lead the way to take the US into another war for what ever is the right reasons. Authorize the President to use the full might of the United States to prevent
the Turks from invading traditional Kurdish territory. She will never think of it though, and neither will most of the liberal Democrats.

Perhaps they should even unite this nation in calling for the US to take the matter before the UN to establish a Kurdistan which would include redrawing the borders of Syria, Iraq and Turkey. Maybe more. But that of course would undoubtedly require defeating Turkey in war, probably also Syria and Iraq.

The bottom line, it is totally out of bounds for the US President to take this task on, on his own authority. He was elected to follow the US Constitution, not restructure the middle east.
 
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Today:

Washington (CNN)The Pentagon will deploy about 1,500 extra troops to Saudi Arabia in answer to requests by the leading US military commander in the Middle East and, in part, because the US Navy is unable to send a relief aircraft carrier to deter potential Iranian aggression, multiple US officials tell CNN.

The move to bolster troops in the Middle East comes as President Donald Trump's decision to pull back US military forces from northeastern Syria has prompted bipartisan criticism from lawmakers who say the President has given Turkey an opening to attack US Kurdish allies who helped in the fight against ISIS.

The US has increased the deployment of forces in the region by 14,000 since May.
 
calvin natt said:
Today:

Washington (CNN)The Pentagon will deploy about 1,500 extra troops to Saudi Arabia in answer to requests by the leading US military commander in the Middle East and, in part, because the US Navy is unable to send a relief aircraft carrier to deter potential Iranian aggression, multiple US officials tell CNN.

The move to bolster troops in the Middle East comes as President Donald Trump's decision to pull back US military forces from northeastern Syria has prompted bipartisan criticism from lawmakers who say the President has given Turkey an opening to attack US Kurdish allies who helped in the fight against ISIS.

The US has increased the deployment of forces in the region by 14,000 since May.
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The troops in Syria are not coming home. No, I've heard they're just being redeployed to another part of Syria.
 
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