Doomsday scenarios this offseason

[BonesJones]

Some on here were talking about a cap hold being a big hit. In this case they should try to get players signed before Aldridge because his hold is only the amount of his existing salary.

his cap hold is 150% of his previous salary up to the max contact available. So they wouldnt have more cap space before they sign him.

 

[riverman]

I think the Lamarcus deal will happen really quickly

 

[e_blazer]

Doomsday scenario? Hmm....An asteroid the size of Texas and shaped like Popovich slams into the Rose Quarter.

 

[mediocre boy]

The team stays the same. Jump shooting team with no defense that is just good enough to get some people excited but not goid enough to be taken seriously.

 

[julius]

The team stays the same. Jump shooting team with no defense that is just good enough to get some people excited but not goid enough to be taken seriously.

that would be disheartening.

 

[Strenuus]

The team stays the same. Jump shooting team with no defense that is just good enough to get some people excited but not goid enough to be taken seriously.

So, you're a fan of mediocrity, this should be right down your alley.

 

[e_blazer]

The team stays the same. Jump shooting team with no defense that is just good enough to get some people excited but not goid enough to be taken seriously.

You need to work on the snark if you want to approach mediocre man stature.

 

[RR7]

I don't see how people think that a team wouldn't take on Splitter if given incentive. With no incentive I think there'd still be plenty of teams if they had the space to snag for free a C making 16.75 over the next 2 years. That's not a TON of money, for a good starting C.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I don't see how people think that a team wouldn't take on Splitter if given incentive. With no incentive I think there'd still be plenty of teams if they had the space to snag for free a C making 16.75 over the next 2 years. That's not a TON of money, for a good starting C.

I think the Pelicans would salivate at the chance of getting Splitter, same for the Clippers if they lose Jordan.

 

[RR7]

I think the Pelicans would salivate at the chance of getting Splitter, same for the Clippers if they lose Jordan.

If it wasn't for us losing Aldridge because of it, I'd absolutely take him for free as well.

 

[kjironman1]

his cap hold is 150% of his previous salary up to the max contact available. So they wouldnt have more cap space before they sign him.

Read your own statement. Not if he is getting max.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't see how people think that a team wouldn't take on Splitter if given incentive. With no incentive I think there'd still be plenty of teams if they had the space to snag for free a C making 16.75 over the next 2 years. That's not a TON of money, for a good starting C.

Under normal circumstances yes. But this summer is a bit of an anomaly. Teams can sign free agents right now for 4 years and Max them, which would probably be a 12 mil contract with the new CAP.

There are a slew of good free agents available right now, so teams with Max money can find a damn good player or a couple decent players locked up for 4 years for cheap

 

[RR7]

Under normal circumstances yes. But this summer is a bit of an anomaly. Teams can sign free agents right now for 4 years and Max them, which would probably be a 12 mil contract with the new CAP.

There are a slew of good free agents available right now, so teams with Max money can find a damn good player or a couple decent players locked up for 4 years for cheap

And obviously, players, and more importantly, their agents, see that same thing, and aren't likely to lock themselves into long below market deals. And, obviously, not everyone gets their top choice of free agent. If you had cap space, and in the market for a good C, you're not going to pass on taking on Splitter for cheap just so you can sign someone you like less because maybe you get them 4 years.

 

[magnifier661]

And obviously, players, and more importantly, their agents, see that same thing, and aren't likely to lock themselves into long below market deals. And, obviously, not everyone gets their top choice of free agent. If you had cap space, and in the market for a good C, you're not going to pass on taking on Splitter for cheap just so you can sign someone you like less because maybe you get them 4 years.

But wouldn't you think teams will try and lock players long term first, then if that doesn't work, seek the bargain trades for cap space?

 

[BonesJones]

Read your own statement. Not if he is getting max.

obviously you don't get it.. Cap hold is 150% but can't go higher than the max. If someone made $10M last yearyear their hold would be $15M. If someone made $15M and the max was $20M, their hold would only be $20M instead of $22.5M. In LA's case, his cap hold will be the max he could get.

 

[kjironman1]

obviously you don't get it.. Cap hold is 150% but can't go higher than the max. If someone made $10M last yearyear their hold would be $15M. If someone made $15M and the max was $20M, their hold would only be $20M instead of $22.5M. In LA's case, his cap hold will be the max he could get.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38
Notice the (2) on the end of the statement. Yeah i get it....

 

[BonesJones]

Obviously not if you think his cap hold is his previous salary...

 

[kjironman1]

Obviously not if you think his cap hold is his previous salary...

Yes bro i do get it very well. 120/150/190 and if they want the can renounce. That is what you see and that is what you are saying.
The Blazers will wait to sign Aldridge. Not going to try to make you understand why. I have put two very clear links up already. Read them.

 

[BrianFromWA]

With the salary cap increases, the 90% cap floor increases also. Just saying.

There's no reason for the Blazers to wait on LMA if they're going to sign him. His cap hold isn't a single dollar lower than the max. But if they want to play the field for whatever reason (trade to PHI for 1sts and space to sign Marc Gasol or something crazy) then holding on to his cap hold doesn't hurt as long as it goes away before you need the space (see: MIN and Batum). But it's not like they can sign Gasol (for instance) and then sign LMA to go over the cap using Bird rights. His hold is the max. I don't get what you were attempting to show with the links.

 

[magnifier661]

With the salary cap increases, the 90% cap floor increases also. Just saying.

There's no reason for the Blazers to wait on LMA if they're going to sign him. His cap hold isn't a single dollar lower than the max. But if they want to play the field for whatever reason (trade to PHI for 1sts and space to sign Marc Gasol or something crazy) then holding on to his cap hold doesn't hurt as long as it goes away before you need the space (see: MIN and Batum). But it's not like they can sign Gasol (for instance) and then sign LMA to go over the cap using Bird rights. His hold is the max. I don't get what you were attempting to show with the links.

And go a little further... It is a much easier sell to other free agents, knowing Aldridge signed. The sooner he's signed the sooner we can move to the next step.

If Aldridge doesn't sign, then we should go immediately to plan B. I hope Aldridge is aware of this and makes up his mind quickly because it could really fuck up our summer if we wait too long.

 

[kjironman1]

And go a little further... It is a much easier sell to other free agents, knowing Aldridge signed. The sooner he's signed the sooner we can move to the next step.

If Aldridge doesn't sign, then we should go immediately to plan B. I hope Aldridge is aware of this and makes up his mind quickly because it could really fuck up our summer if we wait too long.

I would bet that the Blazers will wait and put their pieces in order and then sign him. Just the way i see it. Everyone thinks that signing Aldridge is the only thing that matters. I personally don't think there is any question in the matter. They will get their house in order and then sit down and work out LA's deal. Just the way i see it. Of course i could be wrong. I don't have any magic crystal ball but i just don't see any reason to worry about Aldridge.

 

[magnifier661]

I would bet that the Blazers will wait and put their pieces in order and then sign him. Just the way i see it. Everyone thinks that signing Aldridge is the only thing that matters. I personally don't think there is any question in the matter. They will get their house in order and then sit down and work out LA's deal. Just the way i see it. Of course i could be wrong. I don't have any magic crystal ball but i just don't see any reason to worry about Aldridge.

I don't see why waiting will accomplish anything but more doubt. Free agents want to know the Blazer corner piece is still there before they commit to our team. Waiting does nothing to help this situation. And the cap hold and Max contract are exactly the same. I don't see any reason why we would wait.

 

[kjironman1]

I don't see why waiting will accomplish anything but more doubt. Free agents want to know the Blazer corner piece is still there before they commit to our team. Waiting does nothing to help this situation. And the cap hold and Max contract are exactly the same. I don't see any reason why we would wait.

You see what i am saying. This very thread is about "Doomsday scenarios". Signing Aldridge IMHO is not a problem in my book. Waiting makes absolutely no difference. There are other options that need to be looked at. I like LA as much as anyone else but finding the right team is what makes the most sense here. This is business.
The problem with this very premise is that most all of the questions are from a couple of idiots that wrote some stupid paragraphs during the playoffs. Now a bunch of people think they are fact.
If Aldridge stays great. He will make a lot of money and the Blazers will be fine. If Aldridge is involved with a sign and trade then He will make a lot of money and the Blazers will be fine. If he simply leaves he will make a little less but still a lot of money and the Blazers will still be just fine.
The Blazers will work out their deals and make the one they feel is best for the organization/team.
I will also bet because they will wait for at least until the rest of the team is in order those same two idiots will be all over the media spouting off and coming up with every possible scenario that could go wrong baiting as many clicks as possible. Bank on it!

 

[kjironman1]

And the cap hold and Max contract are exactly the same.

This is another question altogether. What if the Blazers don't want to give Aldridge a Max? .....I know I know...That is just not a possibility right?

 

[Denny Crane]

Once he signs, the cap hold is removed and his salary counts against the cap.

 

[kjironman1]

And the cap hold and Max contract are exactly the same. I don't see any reason why we would wait.

And honestly i am not trying to create an argument with you Maggs. But what if Aldridge doesn't want to go with the full 5 year? Lots of different scenarios and we know exactly nothing about what he truly wants. You already know a 1 year deal gets him way more money with a much higher risk in the long run.
But it is way more money. Maybe a 1 year sign and trade?

 

[kjironman1]

Once he signs, the cap hold is removed and his salary counts against the cap.

And the same holds true for Wes, Lopez, Freeland, Wright. Gee and the million on Kaman's contract.
The Blazers have the room to sign these guys.
Look i am not saying that they wont sign Aldridge first. What i am saying is that IMO they will wait. Simple as that.

 

[kjironman1]

How about all the people calling for Batum to be traded? What kind of impact does that have? Don't know yet do we?
You also have to consider Lillards Max extension next year right?

 

[Sedatedfork]

The Blazers are relegated to the NBDL. At least we would be championship contenders?

 

[magnifier661]

You see what i am saying. This very thread is about "Doomsday scenarios". Signing Aldridge IMHO is not a problem in my book. Waiting makes absolutely no difference. There are other options that need to be looked at. I like LA as much as anyone else but finding the right team is what makes the most sense here. This is business.
The problem with this very premise is that most all of the questions are from a couple of idiots that wrote some stupid paragraphs during the playoffs. Now a bunch of people think they are fact.
If Aldridge stays great. He will make a lot of money and the Blazers will be fine. If Aldridge is involved with a sign and trade then He will make a lot of money and the Blazers will be fine. If he simply leaves he will make a little less but still a lot of money and the Blazers will still be just fine.
The Blazers will work out their deals and make the one they feel is best for the organization/team.
I will also bet because they will wait for at least until the rest of the team is in order those same two idiots will be all over the media spouting off and coming up with every possible scenario that could go wrong baiting as many clicks as possible. Bank on it!

All these scenarios would be better met sooner than later.