Draft Jimmer Fredette?

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Kaydow said:
That is not true. Their games are extremely similar. JJ played a much different game than he does now. He handled the ball quite a bit and created a lot of his own shots off the dribble. He could also penetrate and get in the lane/to the basket . . . in college. He wasn't just a shooter. Watch the JJ highlights below vs the Jimmer vs San Diego State last week and tell me their games don't look alike.

FYI - skip to 1:30 or so on Redick's highlights.



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I think the point was the Redick doesn't have the handle that Fredette has, which has made it impossible for Redick create his own shot in the NBA and has made him become a shooting specialist. As I said earlier in the thread, the skillset that made Redick an elite college player in an elite conference did not translate to the NBA.
Whether that happens with Fredette is a question mark, but I like Jimmer's chances of at least being able to be a more varied offensive player, due to his dribbling and also his body, which is NBA ready at 6'2", 200lbs, even if it is on the short side.
 
Kaydow said:
That is not true. Their games are extremely similar. JJ played a much different game than he does now. He handled the ball quite a bit and created a lot of his own shots off the dribble. He could also penetrate and get in the lane/to the basket . . . in college. He wasn't just a shooter. Watch the JJ highlights below vs the Jimmer vs San Diego State last week and tell me their games don't look alike.

FYI - skip to 1:30 or so on Redick's highlights.



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Reddick could put the ball on the floor sometimes, for sure. But, Fredette has a cross over, can split the double team, can finish with both hands. I don't really think they are comparable at putting the ball on the floor, Fredette is much better at the same age.

My deal with Fredette is that he is really sloooow. But, at the same time he's also much stronger than Reddick was. I'm not saying he's going to be a great NBA player, but I think he'll have a place in the league.
 
It's actually fairly hard to think of an NBA player who has Fredette's combination of shooting, ball-handling, lack of size, lack of speed/quickness and lack of athleticism. That could mean he's unique or it could mean such players don't last in the NBA.
 
Minstrel said:
It's actually fairly hard to think of an NBA player who has Fredette's combination of shooting, ball-handling, lack of size, lack of speed/quickness and lack of athleticism. That could mean he's unique or it could mean such players don't last in the NBA.
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Scott Skiles jumps out at me, except Skiles was shorter and skinnier. Skiles at Michigan State was unstoppable during his senior year. If they had the 3pt. line that season, he would have averaged 30ppg.
 
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Minstrel said:
It's actually fairly hard to think of an NBA player who has Fredette's combination of shooting, ball-handling, lack of size, lack of speed/quickness and lack of athleticism. That could mean he's unique or it could mean such players don't last in the NBA.
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Steve Kerr is the one I can think of right off the top of my head.
Tim Legler is another.
 
LittleAlex said:
Steve Kerr is the one I can think of right off the top of my head.
Tim Legler is another.
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Steve Kerr or Tim Legler? Maybe in terms of shooting, but Fredette scores a lot of baskets on penetration and is bigger physically (bulkier) than those two players.

I'll stick with Scott Skiles as being the closest comparison in terms of style of play and skillset.
 
Found this on YouTube.


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For comparison, here is Kemba Walker, who I prefer over Fredette.

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LittleAlex said:
Steve Kerr is the one I can think of right off the top of my head.
Tim Legler is another.
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Neither had great ball-handling skills. They were pretty much purely shooters. I don't think either of them were capable of cross-overs and elusiveness with the ball.

PapaG said:
Scott Skiles jumps out at me, except Skiles was shorter and skinnier. Skiles at Michigan State was unstoppable during his senior year. If they had the 3pt. line that season, he would have averaged 30ppg.
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That's the best comparison I've seen so far, but Skiles was an excellent passer in the NBA. Fredette's play-making skills for others, to me, looks like it will be subpar in the NBA.
 
Minstrel said:
It's actually fairly hard to think of an NBA player who has Fredette's combination of shooting, ball-handling, lack of size, lack of speed/quickness and lack of athleticism. That could mean he's unique or it could mean such players don't last in the NBA.
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Maybe he could be the Luke Babbitt of tweener guards? Shooter/Scorer with poor lateral quickness for a 1, and too small to be a 2.
 
Fredette has a little Rex Chapman in him. Minus the extreme athleticism. Both are gunners who could put the ball on the floor.
 
MickZagger said:
Fredette has a little Rex Chapman in him. Minus the extreme athleticism. Both are gunners who could put the ball on the floor.
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That's not bad, either, although Rex wasn't a PG, was skinny, and never looked to pass the ball. He did have the ability to get to the rim at times, though.
 
MickZagger said:
Fredette has a little Rex Chapman in him. Minus the extreme athleticism. Both are gunners who could put the ball on the floor.
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The part that really jumps out at me is this: "minus the extreme athleticism" ... anytime I see that when talking about a prospect's chances of translating their game from the college ranks (or some other lower tiered pro league) I'm always a little leery. Now would I spend a late first round pick on him if everybody else on the board was inferior? Sure. But I'm hearing talk about Fredette in the late lottery and to me that just seems like a reach for a guy who probably won't be able to guard at the next level and might not be able to get his shot off against longer, more athletic wing defenders.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
That part that really jumps out at me is this: "minus the extreme athleticism" ... anytime I see that when talking about a prospect's chances of translating their game from the college ranks (or some other lower tiered pro league) I'm always a little leery. Now would I spend a late first round pick on him if everybody else on the board was inferior? Sure. But I'm hearing talk about Fredette in the late lottery and to me that just seems like a reach for a guy who probably won't be able to guard at the next level and might not be able to get his shot off against longer, more athletic wing defenders.
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Oh, most definitely. He's an intriguing player, but too slow and unathletic to use a lottery pick on. I'm the same though, if he could be had with a late 1st, I'd probably do it.
 
McCamey was taken out of the starting lineup for disciplinary reasons for their last game. He's a knucklehead. Definitely not a leader.
 
my gut feeling is that, unless the CBA thing is resolved before "underclassman declare day", he's going to go about 10 spots higher than he normally would.
 
Speaking of the draft, Jonas Valanciunas is playing himself into the consensus top-3 pick, according to Chad Ford.

7'0" Center 240 lbs. (6'11" w/o shoes, 7'6" wingspan, 18 years old) - he's an interesting prospect.
 
I'm not too impressed with this years crop outside the top-5.

Victor Claver looks like he's developing into a very interesting SF/PF prospect. He's 6'10" and, at least this year, looks like he's developing a decent post game.
 
Demitri McCamey: 4 points on 1/10 shooting in 34 minutes at home vs. Purdue today. That's a pretty big game for a struggling Illini team. Way to represent Mac, you're clearly one of the top PGs in the country and a surefire 1st round pick.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Check out this guy. http://www.nbadraft.net/players/norris-cole

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=310430325

41pts, 20rebs, 9ast, 5-10 3pt, 3stl, 2to.... from a POINT GUARD.
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Here's a couple others that have interested me recently.

Reggie Jackson (Ju. - Boston College)--6'3", 200, good court vision, excellent shooter

Ray McCallum (Fr. - Detroit)--Pure point guard with outstanding athleticism averaging about 5 apg, but kinda small with a suspect outside shot.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Here's a couple others that have interested me recently.

Reggie Jackson (Ju. - Boston College)--6'3", 200, good court vision, excellent shooter

Ray McCallum (Fr. - Detroit)--Pure point guard with outstanding athleticism averaging about 5 apg, but kinda small with a suspect outside shot.
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I love McCallum's game. A coaches son, too. Watched him in the McDonalds game last year and he was athletic as they come.

Haven't seen much of Jackson, but I like the name.
 
Another PG I think we should take a serious look at is Nolan Smith.

He's extremely heady, has great size and is a great defender. Didn't really play PG exclusively until this year and he's doing an outstanding job of it. He might be the first ACC player ever to lead the conference in points and assists.
 
MickZagger said:
Another PG I think we should take a serious look at is Nolan Smith.

He's extremely heady, has great size and is a great defender. Didn't really play PG exclusively until this year and he's doing an outstanding job of it. He might be the first ACC player ever to lead the conference in points and assists.
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