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Dejuan Blair only 6'6, dang. Helluva wingspan though for that height.
 
Man... How great would Tyreke Evans' 6'11 wingspan look next to roy long term... Thats a big, talented backcourt.
 
I always thought Thabeet looked shorter than he was credited for being...
 
Notables:

Blair: has a 1.5" standing reach advantage over Griffin. I thought Blairs numbers looked solid.

Psycho T: 6'9.5" in shoes with longer arms and reach than Griffin. I'm not saying he is better than Griffin, just that he isn't undersized for the PF position. I kind of hope we pick him up as our backup big.

Lawson: over 6' in shoes and has a slightly longer wingspan than his hight. Still short, but not too bad.
 
I did a simple comparative between the 30 players listed and the other pre-draft measurements in DX's database (based on cumulative % differential of barefoot height, wingspan, and weight). Please bear in mind that these are independent of athleticism or game style--just size) Here are the closest recognizable similarities:

Ty Lawson: Jameer Nelson, Jay Williams, Ray Felton
Jonny Flynn: Same as Lawson (their measurements are very similar)
Patrick Mills: Dominic James, Taurean Green, Dee Brown (2005)
Darren Collison: Luke Ridnour, Jannero Pargo, Allen Iverson
Eric Maynor: same as Collison
Jeff Teague: Mike Conley, Chris Quinn, Devin Harris
Stephen Curry: Ramon Sessions, Luther Head, Monta Ellis (closest comparison was Zach Marbury--never heard of the dude, but he MUST have been a total headcase!)
Marcus Thornton: Javaris Crittenton, Joe Forte, Beno Udrih
Jrue Holiday: OJ Mayo, Flip Murray, Jarrett Jack
Jermaine Taylor: Rodney Stuckey, Malik Hairston, Bryce Taylor
Gerald Henderson: Byron Mouton, Morris Almond, Dwyane Wade
James Harden: Mardy Collins, Caron Butler, Ronny Brewer
Tyreke Evans: Same as Harden
Sam Young: Same as Harden
Wayne Ellington: DJ Strawberry, OJ Mayo, Daequan Cook
Terrence Williams: Dahntay Jones, Michael Redd, Keith Bogans
Dejuan Blair: Joey Dorsey, Lonny Baxter, Jason Maxiell
Demar Derozan: Bobby Jones, Kyle Korver, Luke Jackson
Chase Budinger: Matt Carroll, Brandon Roy, Trenton Hassell
James Johnson: Sean May, Wayne Simien, Paul Millsap
DaJuan Summers: Lebron James, Darius Songaila, Michael Beasley
Omri Casspi: Sun Yue, Kyle Korver, Marko Jaric
Gani Lawal: David Lee, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Jeff Green
Tyler Hansbrough: Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Eduardo Najera, Mark Madsen
Blake Griffin: Carl Landry, Udonis Haslem, Al Horford
Earl Clark: Jeff Green, Marvin Williams, Amare Stoudemire
Jordan Hill: Amare Stoudemire, Tiago Splitter, Jared Jeffries
Austin Daye: Anthony Randolph, Brandan Wright, Trevor Ariza, (nobody was very close though, because Daye's weight is SO low compared to his height)
BJ Mullens: Greg Oden, Chris Kaman, Nick Collison
Hasheem Thabeet: Brendan Haywood, Eric Chenowith, Michael Olowokandi

Sorry for the long post, but I find this stuff fascinating.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Stephen Curry: Ramon Sessions, Luther Head, Monta Ellis (closest comparison was Zach Marbury--never heard of the dude, but he MUST have been a total headcase!)
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Isn't Zach Marbury that cousin of Stephon Marbury that Portland had in training camp or something 5 or 6 years ago? I vaguely recall something like that.

Anyway, thanks for the research. Hard to know exactly what to do with those measurable comps, but Patrick Mills being closest to several non-entities may suggest that point guards of his size don't tend to do well, for example.
 
Minstrel said:
Hard to know exactly what to do with those measurable comps
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It's much more fun for me having compiled all the data, because I can look at things in so many different ways, like seeing that Blake Griffin is much more similar physically to Lebron James than to Dwight Howard, or that Chris Paul is closer to Patty Mills and Stephen Curry than Lawson or Maynor. Again, doesn't necessarily tell you a whole lot, but it's interesting (at least to me).
 
DeMarre Carroll measured out pretty well. That guys going to be awesome. Hopefully the Bulls lock him up at 16.

Thabeet, Blair, and Mullens had some good measurements. Of course the bench press stats aren't out that, so some of these bigs could end up looking weak.
 
HurraKane212 said:
hahaha, I HOPE the bulls pick DeMarre Carroll with the 16th pick... ultimate draft fail...

Carroll is a mid 2nd rounder, not a just after lotto pick.
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Bulls are positioning themselves for 2010 to sign Lebron, Amare, Bosh, Yao, Boozer?, etc. while retaining Gordon. With Rose/Gordon/ say Amare you have three offensive juggernauts. You're going to want to fill in some tough, defensive minded players around that.

I always preferred Leo Lyons to DeMarre Carroll out of the Missouri guys, but Carroll has been looking good in workouts from all reports, and has improved his shooting.





Once you get in that 15-30 range, it's really just about taking who you like. Logically, as Carroll is seen as a second round pick right now, it would look bad to pick him 16. But if you wait to take him at 26, he could easily be snatched up by one of the teams in the late teens early 20's.

He reminds me of Nocioni, only Carroll will probably actually play defense.
 
No trailblazers rumors, but this cracked me up:

• A number of NBA executives were comparing notes on interviews late Wednesday night. They were getting chuckles over what seemed to be some serious over-coaching by players' agents. Many agents hire media coaches to help players prepare for interviews. A few executives noted that players represented by the same agent were giving identical answers to questions. My favorite?

"What are your hobbies?" Their answer? "My hobby is doing community service. That's what I like to do in my spare time."
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Nikolokolus said:
No trailblazers rumors, but this cracked me up:
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I read this earlier, which is kinda related and amused me:

Chase Budinger had already learned the art of "no comment." At least when it came to addressing the media.

But the draft prospect from Arizona didn't have that option when he sat down for a half-day of interviews with NBA team representatives Thursday. Just like other players who would be asked the most personal of questions during this portion of the predraft combine, Budinger had to say something. Even if he was speechless.

"One team asked me if I had a girlfriend, and I said no," Budinger said as he relayed the story of one interview to the media. "And then they asked me if I had any friends with benefits. That was kind of a wacky question."

And the answer? "No comment," he said with a sheepish smile.
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http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1900683.html
 
HurraKane212 said:
Then you trade down and get value for your pick.

Maybe trade 16 to PDX for the 24th and Sergio Rodriguez.

Then you get a free PG to use in a trade and a cheaper pick in the range you want.
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I don't think Sergio Rodriguez has any value. Trading down from 16th to 24th, while picking up a second round draft pick, or something of that nature, would be better for the Bulls then taking on Sergio's salary.
 
Nikolokolus said:
No trailblazers rumors, but this cracked me up:
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Yea that is good. Well, at least they didn't answer "Tying up strippers in a Portland Motel, and speeding down broadway at 110 in a hummer with a bag of pot in it."
 
Денг Гордон said:
Bulls are positioning themselves for 2010 to sign Lebron, Amare, Bosh, Yao, Boozer?, etc. while retaining Gordon. With Rose/Gordon/ say Amare you have three offensive juggernauts. You're going to want to fill in some tough, defensive minded players around that.

I always preferred Leo Lyons to DeMarre Carroll out of the Missouri guys, but Carroll has been looking good in workouts from all reports, and has improved his shooting.





Once you get in that 15-30 range, it's really just about taking who you like. Logically, as Carroll is seen as a second round pick right now, it would look bad to pick him 16. But if you wait to take him at 26, he could easily be snatched up by one of the teams in the late teens early 20's.

He reminds me of Nocioni, only Carroll will probably actually play defense.
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If you recall, I made a thread about Carroll right after watching one of the NCAA games earlier this year. I was really impressed by his hustle, motor, and finesse (he made some good cuts and one time beat a defender while handling the ball around the foul line).

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138678&highlight=carroll

I would still be interested in him. Haven't seen him play much (only 1 game) but he seems like a good player who fits the mold of the "successful 2nd round pick". We should nab him in the high second round if he's still there for sure! Maybe with our first-rounder if we like him and think he could fill the backup PF spot well.
 
HurraKane212 said:
hahaha, I HOPE the bulls pick DeMarre Carroll with the 16th pick... ultimate draft fail...

Carroll is a mid 2nd rounder, not a just after lotto pick.
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Whoa. I think Carroll will prove you wrong. The dude's very talented. I liked him at Mizzou.
 
Interesting. Ty Lawson grew a bit...

Last year:
5'10.75" -- 5'11.75"

This year:
5'11.25" -- 6'0.5"
 
HurraKane212 said:
Hell, there have been lots of great 2nd rounders. Sessions, Ginobli, Parker (I think) Monta Ellis, Arenas, etc.
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Parker, I believe, was the last pick of the first round (a nice pick-up for a conference finals team...) but close enough.

Michael Redd was also a second-round pick, I believe.

I agree with your point. Even if Carroll becomes a superstar against the odds, he's not currently valued that high, so if one values him differently, it's inefficient not to trade down and pick him up later and get some more value in the process.
 
Johnny Flynn is bigger than I thought. When you see him, you'd think he's a lightweight like Collison.

6'0" 200 lbs, impressive.
 
Some Youtube footage:

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Hmm, I wonder if the Karl Malone comparison's still stand..

Blake's 8'9" standing reach is SF territory.

Malone's reach is 9'2", FWIW.
 
Adrien is 6' 5'' 1/4, but has 7' 2'' wingspan? Wow.
 
Taj Gibson numbers look pretty good, he's a little skinny but nothing like Austin Daye
 
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