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Fez said:
Hmm, I wonder if the Karl Malone comparison's still stand..

Blake's 8'9" standing reach is SF territory.

Malone's reach is 9'2", FWIW.
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Does anyone really think Griffin is a PF? He's a classic tweener forward, a la Rodney Rogers and Corliss Williamson.
 
handiman said:
Does anyone really think Griffin is a PF? He's a classic tweener forward, a la Rodney Rogers and Corliss Williamson.
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really? I consider outlaw a tweener. Maybe someone like Antwan Jamison who's played both SF and PF in the league. Griffin is a straight up PF. Maybe undersized compared to some like a Aldridge, but not compared to most PF's in the league. I don't know where you get the idea that Griffin is anything more than a straight up post power presence.
 
BalancedMan said:
really? I consider outlaw a tweener.
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What's that got to do with Griffin?

Griffin is a straight up PF.
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Only because he lacks an outside game...

I don't know where you get the idea that Griffin is anything more than a straight up post power presence.
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Size, style of play, and skill set. I don't see him overpowering people at the next level, so he'll have to learn to take his game outside more.
 
BalancedMan said:
really? I consider outlaw a tweener. Maybe someone like Antwan Jamison who's played both SF and PF in the league. Griffin is a straight up PF. Maybe undersized compared to some like a Aldridge, but not compared to most PF's in the league. I don't know where you get the idea that Griffin is anything more than a straight up post power presence.
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Yeah I don't see Griffin playing SF.

But I do think it's odd his standing reach and wingspan are less then Hansbrough and he's only a quarter inch taller. Yet people talk about Tyler being such a tweener.
 
Draco's Evil Sidekick said:
Yeah I don't see Griffin playing SF.

But I do think it's odd his standing reach and wingspan are less then Hansbrough and he's only a quarter inch taller. Yet people talk about Tyler being such a tweener.
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Tyler is a tweener not so much because of the way he operates offensively (pretty straight forward 4) but because of who he'd have to play on defense; he's almost certainly too under-powered/undersized to guard NBA power forwards (the good ones anyway) and he's probably not quick enough to guard small forwards.

The closest real world analogy I can think of with psycho T is a guy who's really intense and likes to get into bar fights and can largely kick ass when faced up against other joe-blows, but if he ever picks a fight with an honest to god trained boxer or fighter he gets put on his back in short order.

Who knows, maybe he'll end up having a decent career, but I'm just not feeling it.
 
I really want Blair this draft. He looks like he'll be another tough, Jason Maxiell player to me, which is precisely what this team needs. I don't think his height will be an issue at all; his HUGE wingspan and bulk should make up for that. He is an amazingly talented rebounder, and might help provide a bit more intimidation factor for the Blazers.
 
Blair can rebound and thats about it. He scored well in college but I don't see that ever translating to the pros unless he gets a jumper. Maxiell scores on dunks and put backs, Blair is not as athletic as Maxiell. Blair is also a poor defender. I just don't agree with how he's moving up in the draft. Maxiell's wingspan is also larger than Blair's.
 
Beaubois is projected higher than Colo but they split time on their team in France.
 
Nikolokolus said:
He's got a pretty damn amazing wingspan.

Between he and Nicolas it makes you wonder if France puts something in the water to give them arms like that.
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the benefits of losing your colonies....most of the best players in their best players are from the former colonies or have a parent that was naturalized.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
Blair is exactly the same size too. 40 pounds heavier of course.
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I know, but I'd already heard about Blair's wingspan being pretty big. All I had really heard about Adrien was that he was undersized.
 
I just noticed Webster has the reach that's on par with some of the PF's in this draft.

Psycho-T: 8'10"
Webster: 8'10"
Griffin: 8'9"
Blair: 8'10.5"
 
LameR said:
I know, but I'd already heard about Blair's wingspan being pretty big. All I had really heard about Adrien was that he was undersized.
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Yeah was surprised about Adrien's wingspan too. I think he should at least get drafted, He seemed to work hard at UConn and he is very athletic.
 
I didn't see this posted anywhere else, and didn't know if it deserved it's own thread. It's nbadraft.net's comments on players from day one of the combine (Thursday?).

http://www.nbadraft.net/node/6101

Also, positional rankings from last Sunday.

http://www.nbadraft.net/node/5969

Yeah, it's just one site, but I thought there was some interesting info there. Sorry if it's already been posted.
 
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LameR said:
I didn't see this posted anywhere else, and didn't know if it deserved it's own thread. It's nbadraft.net's comments on players from day one of the combine (Thursday?).

http://www.nbadraft.net/node/6101

Also, positional rankings from last Sunday.

http://www.nbadraft.net/node/5969

Yeah, it's just one site, but I thought there was some interesting info there. Sorry if it's already been posted.
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I liked this quote from your 2nd link...

DeJuan Blair Pittsburgh -- Appears to have concentrated on his diet and conditioning since the season ended probably dropping close to 15-20 pounds. Looked very good in the post drills hitting shots and moving well.

dude came in at 6'5.25, 277 pounds

STOMP
 
Nikolokolus said:
Tyler is a tweener not so much because of the way he operates offensively (pretty straight forward 4) but because of who he'd have to play on defense; he's almost certainly too under-powered/undersized to guard NBA power forwards (the good ones anyway) and he's probably not quick enough to guard small forwards.
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If the Blazers did draft Hansbrough, it would be as a back-up 4. He wouldn't have to guard the best 4s in the league. That would be Aldridge's job. Hansbrough would be an engery guy off the bench to back-up Aldridge for 12 minutes a game. He'd bring a lot of energy, grab some boards, score a few points. When it comes to guarding other back-up 4s he can't possibly be any worse than Channing Frye or Travis Outlaw.

Altough I'd prefer a cheap, veteran back-up 4 (and there will be a lot of those avilable this summer), Hansbrough would definitely be an upgrade at the back-up 4 spot over anyone we currently have on the roster.

BNM
 
Gani Lawal Georgia Tech -- Looked a little slow moving through the shooting drill. Shot the ball extremely well. Very explosive. Has put on some weight. Legs looks thicker. Outside of Griffin and Hill, has the most upside of any of the power forwards in this draft.
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If we are going to draft a power forward, I want it to be Lawal.
 
STOMP said:
I liked this quote from your 2nd link...

DeJuan Blair Pittsburgh -- Appears to have concentrated on his diet and conditioning since the season ended probably dropping close to 15-20 pounds. Looked very good in the post drills hitting shots and moving well.

dude came in at 6'5.25, 277 pounds
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Is anyone else reminded of Robert Traylor?

Ed O.
 
Boob-No-More said:
If the Blazers did draft Hansbrough, it would be as a back-up 4. He wouldn't have to guard the best 4s in the league. That would be Aldridge's job. Hansbrough would be an engery guy off the bench to back-up Aldridge for 12 minutes a game. He'd bring a lot of energy, grab some boards, score a few points. When it comes to guarding other back-up 4s he can't possibly be any worse than Channing Frye or Travis Outlaw.

Altough I'd prefer a cheap, veteran back-up 4 (and there will be a lot of those avilable this summer), Hansbrough would definitely be an upgrade at the back-up 4 spot over anyone we currently have on the roster.

BNM
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I agree on the veteran thing (McDyess, etc.)

And while I think Hansbrough will be able to provide a little bit of hustle and some energy I just don't think he has the athleticism or body to be truly effective in the NBA -- for every Paul Milsap or David Lee that beats the trend and succeeds there's probably twenty or more undersized 4s who never pan out. I honestly think Freeland would make a better 3rd string power forward than Hansbrough after the year he had in the ACB.

And finally, I'll be completely honest I just don't want the guy on the team because of this.

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Awesome post PtldPlatypus, I thought that was cool.

I also want Blair!!! I think he is a perfect backup for LMA.
 
Nikolokolus said:
And while I think Hansbrough will be able to provide a little bit of hustle and some energy I just don't think he has the athleticism or body to be truly effective in the NBA -- for every Paul Milsap or David Lee that beats the trend and succeeds there's probably twenty or more undersized 4s who never pan out.
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I still don't get why people consider Hansbrough undersized for a back-up NBA power forward. He's a quarter inch shorter than Blake Griffin with a wider wing span and a 1" taller standing reach. So, why aren't we hearing anyone calling Blake Griffin undersized? And while Hansbrough may not be the most athletic guy in the draft, he's not Adam Morrison bad. And, unlike Morrison, he'll be guarding back up power forwards (not exactly the thoroughbreds of the NBA), not lighning fast 2 guards.

From nba.com

"Tyler Hansbrough is clearly a man on a mission. Every time he touches the ball, the entire gym knows, as he takes out all of his frustrations on the rim. He's in great shape, jumping better than many of his counterparts, and also measuring out taller than most people expect him to, coming up with almost identical figures to that of Blake Griffin. You can sense that executives in the gym are starting to warm up to him more and more."

Again, we're talking about a guy to bring some energy and hustle off the bench for maybe 10 - 12 MPG (eventually). We're not talking about a starter, or even a guy who will get 20+ MPG off the bench.

Again, right now, the Blazers would be better off with a cheap vet power forward signing this summer. But, unless there is someone clearly better than Hansbrough available at 24, I have no problem with the Blazers taking him. There seems to be a lot of Hansbrough haters around, and I'm not sure why. Usually fans of the game appreciate guys who play hard every second they are on the floor. This is a guy who would bring more energy to the court in his first five minutes than Channing Frye has brought over the past two seasons.

Besides, I want to see Hansbrough and Bayless in a staring contest. It could go on for hours as neither one would be willing to admit weakness and blink. I think the Blazers could use some more energy and intensity off the bench - especially at the back-up 4 spot. I've had enough of Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw launching jumpers from just inside the 3-point line. I want my back-up 4 mixing it up inside, not playing soft on the perimeter.

There are other guys I'd rather have (Blair, McDyess, Millsap, etc.), but those guys may, or may nor be available, and the asking price may be a whole lot higher. As much as I want an upgrade at the back-up 4, it's 3rd on my list of priorities behind a better starting PG and a SF that's a reliable scoring option. If we can get someone like McDyess cheap, great, but if not I'd rather use our other assets on the PG and SF needs and address the back-up 4 role through the draft.

BNM
 
To be honest I'm not really impressed with any of these kids in this year's draft. Griffin should be pretty good, but he's somewhat undersized at the 4. I think he'll have trouble at the defensive end of the floor. The only player that I think is "can't miss" is Thabeet and I doubt he'll be better than an average center.
 
I have no idea how TH will translate to the NBA - but the arguments seem to be a whole lot in the same vain as what was said about K-Love last year - and Love most certainly works in the NBA...
 
andalusian said:
I have no idea how TH will translate to the NBA - but the arguments seem to be a whole lot in the same vain as what was said about K-Love last year - and Love most certainly works in the NBA...
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I was also in favor of trading up to grab Love in last year's draft. Love has a wider body and more range on his jump shot, but yes the undersized, unathletic arguments were the same as those against Hansbrough. My biggest worry with Love was that he'd eventually (if not immediately) want traded as his ego (or more accurately, his dad's ego) wouldn't allow him to be a back-up. I don't have this concern about Hansbrough.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
So, why aren't we hearing anyone calling Blake Griffin undersized?

BNM
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Because Hansbrough is a full 15 pounds lighter than him. He doesn't have a typical NBA PF frame. He's not strong enough to be able to bang down low with NBA 4's. I have a feeling he'll be mostly a jumpshooter in the NBA and we already have that in Frye. I'd much rather get Gani Lawal who will be in our range.

If both Blair and Lawal are off the board then I have no qualms with taking Hansbrough.
 
andalusian said:
I have no idea how TH will translate to the NBA - but the arguments seem to be a whole lot in the same vain as what was said about K-Love last year - and Love most certainly works in the NBA...
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Love was a lot more skilled coming into the NBA than Hansbrough. He also had an NBA frame with is wide body.
 
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