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Robert Williams!

He was my dude last draft, I'd be ecstatic if we could trade into the lotto to land him.

Perfect skill-set to groom alongside Collins.

6'9" with a 7'5" wingspan(!)

Upside: Clint Capela

I wanted him last year too, he’d be a good guy to groom behind Davis. Not sure I’d trade up for him, but maybe that’s only because I have my eyes set on two other players that I’ll dream about until they land elsewhere.
 
Robert Williams!

He was my dude last draft, I'd be ecstatic if we could trade into the lotto to land him.

Perfect skill-set to groom alongside Collins.

6'9" with a 7'5" wingspan(!)

Upside: Clint Capela
He has no work ethic and a bad attitude. He's no Clint Capela. Very overrated.
 
3 guys I would like to see them come away with to replace some bench players:

1- Miles Bridges (I just love his toughness to go along with a solid but not spectacular game)

2- Robert Williams (The new NBA center with tons of upside that a vet like Ed Davis, if re-signed, could mentor)

3- Grayson Allen (I know a lot of people dislike him, but he competes and would be a great role player off the bench. JJ Redick 2.0)

Obviously I would love the top 3 players coming out, but realistically all 3 of these guys can be had with a few moves and all 3 would play a big role with the team for a few years to come.
Everyone that suggests Grayson Allen should get banned. He's no where near the shooter that Redick is. And his attitude is horrible and he's a punk. He's not even a first round talent and his attitude makes him undraftable.
 
Never wanted to watch or look into Grayson Allen because of his fuckery and general aura, but I did, and I’ve come around on him somewhat.

First, the attitude. Everything I’ve read about him says he’s a great teammate and a super competitor who tends to lose his shit during games. Is that a character flaw? I don’t know, but there aren’t any glaring off court concerns with him, and we also have to remember that we’re talking about a college kid. He’ll most likely mature.

Build and Athleticism: Has a decent SG build and gets after it in the weight room. He looked leaner at the combine which might be better for him going forward, because he posted impressive agility and vertical numbers and had one of the lower body fat percentages. Hes an above average athlete and more explosive than some of the Duke alumns like Redick and Kennard.

Game: don’t think I need to break his down, as I’m sure most are familiar with it. I will say I really like his release. It’s clean and it’s quick. And I also like how he moves to get open off the ball. He’s not just a set shooter. As for the claim that he’s not anywhere near the shooter Redick is? His TS % would suggest otherwise.

I don’t know where he’s projected to be drafted, but I’m not as against taking him as I was before I really read or got into watching him play. I have quite a few other players I like more, but I think Allen has quite a bit of value in the late first round.
 
Never wanted to watch or look into Grayson Allen because of his fuckery and general aura, but I did, and I’ve come around on him somewhat.

First, the attitude. Everything I’ve read about him says he’s a great teammate and a super competitor who tends to lose his shit during games. Is that a character flaw? I don’t know, but there aren’t any glaring off court concerns with him, and we also have to remember that we’re talking about a college kid. He’ll most likely mature.

Build and Athleticism: Has a decent SG build and gets after it in the weight room. He looked leaner at the combine which might be better for him going forward, because he posted impressive agility and vertical numbers and had one of the lower body fat percentages. Hes an above average athlete and more explosive than some of the Duke alumns like Redick and Kennard.

Game: don’t think I need to break his down, as I’m sure most are familiar with it. I will say I really like his release. It’s clean and it’s quick. And I also like how he moves to get open off the ball. He’s not just a set shooter. As for the claim that he’s not anywhere near the shooter Redick is? His TS % would suggest otherwise.

I don’t know where he’s projected to be drafted, but I’m not as against taking him as I was before I really read or got into watching him play. I have quite a few other players I like more, but I think Allen has quite a bit of value in the late first round.
I've heard from unbiased people in the local media that interviewed him at PK80 and said it was one of their most unpleasant experiences ever. Said he was just as bad as he seems like.

You're using TS% to reflect their 3pt and mid-range shooting? Allen gets to the line more.
 
I've heard from unbiased people in the local media that interviewed him at PK80 and said it was one of their most unpleasant experiences ever. Said he was just as bad as he seems like.

You're using TS% to reflect their 3pt and mid-range shooting? Allen gets to the line more.

You said he’s nowhere near the shooter Redick is. True shooting % is the best available stat to measure a player’s shooting ability. But you know that, since you use them in your arguments all the time.

And getting to the line more is a good thing, no?

And I don’t care about what media said about their experience with Allen, or anybody else. They’re not the ones players have to make an impression on.
 
Actually I just checked and Redick got to the line more than Allen, so....
 
You said he’s nowhere near the shooter Redick is. True shooting % is the best available stat to measure a player’s shooting ability. But you know that, since you use them in your arguments all the time.

And getting to the line more is a good thing, no?

And I don’t care about what media said about their experience with Allen, or anybody else. They’re not the ones players have to make an impression on.
TS% is affected by FT Rate, as well as buckets around the rim. If we're talking about jumpshooting only, TS% isn't the best measure.

Okay, have fun supporting the next Zaza Pachulia.
 
Ew. He'll be a mediocre backup PG at best. Not quick enough to get to the rim, or defend PGs..

People always fall in love with the multi-year PG that wins a championship before declaring... remember all the Shabazz Napier hype before and during his draft?
See if this affects your view:
Jalen Brunson not only can get to the rim despite his average athleticism (not counting put-backs, 49 of his 325 attempts have ended in an unassisted make at the rim), but he’s one of the elite shot-makers we’ve seen at all levels, with percentages rivaling a guy like Kyrie Irving. His numbers this season are otherworldly: 71.1percent at the rim, 52.5 percent on 2-point jumpers and 44.8 percent from 3, despite much of his output being unassisted. Add a three-to-one assist-to-turnover rate and you have the makings of a beautiful game.
So what separates A guy like Brunson from Trey Burke, A quadruple-A point guard who never really made it? It’s the ability to get to the rim unimpeded. Burke scored 55 unassisted baskets at the rim as a sophomore, but it took him 560 attempts to do so. One out of ten attempts, the kind of number we see from jump shooters like Klay Thompson, or a player like Khris Middleton, who can’t get NBA separation and instead has to rely on making some incredibly difficult shots. Whereas Brunson is closer to one-in-six attempts ending in an unassisted make at the rim. And Brunson was even better as a sophomore, scoring 70 such makes in 338 attempts.

Note Brunson's FG% at rim - much higher than Dame or CJ and a smidge below Kyrie:
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Okobo would be a perfect 3rd guard though as a guy who can score on all three levels and as a good defender.

He's 6'3 with a 6'8 wingspan, so he could probably guard SGs.
I'd certainly get more excited about Okobo than Brunson. But (besides the fact that he's likely to go before we pick) he'd also take a while to be any good, and he's much more likely to be a bust. Higher ceiling but lower floor.

Brunson is the boring pick. But that's what people would've said about someone taking Draymond Green at #24.
 
I'd certainly get more excited about Okobo than Brunson. But he'd also take a while to be any good, and he's much more likely to be a bust. Higher ceiling but lower floor.

Brunson is the boring pick. But that's what people would've said about someone taking Draymond Green at #24.

Think you need to sell how Brunson would help Portland specifically as opposed to his overall talent as a prospect. How would he play with Lillard or in a three guard lineup? And if he can’t, then why draft him? We’re not talking about passing on an elite talent here. There’s a reason he’s not projected to be a high pick. Big school guys usually don’t get overlooked, especially ones with Brunsons pedigree. Draymond is almost an outlier because I can’t think of other similar examples.
 
Think you need to sell how Brunson would help Portland specifically as opposed to his overall talent as a prospect. How would he play with Lillard or in a three guard lineup? And if he can’t, then why draft him?

1. Let's remember we're picking at 24 here. In any draft there's probably max 3 stars, max 12ish rotation players. You're lucky to get a contributor at 24. Almost certainly he will be a bench player.
2. Why 3 guard? Why not think in terms of "somebody who'd actually HELP US IN THE PLAYOFFS" (unlike Shabazz "not played at all" Napier). How about like Shaun Livingston for Golden State? Or better yet, how about Terry Rozier for the Celtics? Did they think they'd made a mistake with drafting him when they had first Thomas and then Irving?
3. I take Brunson to be a possible Derek Fisher. His worth exceeds his apparent skills. Derek Fisher ended up being a more important BBall player than (and it pains me to say this) Andre Miller. Miller was undeniably more talented, but also not a leader. Brunson oozes leadership. Beware of flashy players whose teams don't win. Brunson is nonpareil as a winner.

We’re not talking about passing on an elite talent here.
I think it's crazy to say that. This guy has been decorated all the way - McDonald's All-American, Mr. Basketball of Illinois (not like being Mr. Basketball of North Dakota, say), and PLAYER OF THE YEAR. Players like that USED to get drafted top 10. Can he score? Absolutely - he's a rock-solid shooter and he can score at the rim at a high % AND defend. And he's won state championships in high school and 2 NCAA championships in 3 years! And he's not even a Senior!

There’s a reason he’s not projected to be a high pick. Big school guys usually don’t get overlooked, especially ones with Brunsons pedigree. Draymond is almost an outlier because I can’t think of other similar examples.

That's both true and not true. There's also a "familiarity breeds contempt" factor. It's VERY common to have a guy be an exciting freshman and be projected first round, decide to go back to school, have a BETTER sophomore, and slip all the way to the second, because he's old news.

And there are a million examples:
Carlos Boozer is an example of a star, but there are a ton of players for big schools who were passed over. A lot of them are backup PGs: Ron Baker and Fred VanVleet were an all-American backcourt at Wichita State and both are now contributing NBA players, and BOTH went undrafted. Look at Quinn Cook. Also undrafted, has DEFINITELY earned himself a solid contract this year.
And neither VanVleet nor Cook has the pedigree of Brunson. See here for a comparison. Others include TJ McConnell, Yogi Ferrell and Frank Mason III. (There's so many, in fact, that you might use this list to argue against drafting Brunson because we'll be able to get a good guard without drafting him. But we tried that with Shabazz.)
 
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I found my new draft crush.
Me too!

This should please you:
Jason Quick said:
As the media was allowed into the gym, Blazers president of basketball operations Neil Olshey was transfixed on a run of impressive shooting from Okobo, a 6-foot-2, 20-year-old lefty who shot 41.8 percent from three-point range for the Pro A League Elan Bearnais Pau-Lacq-Orthez last season. Okobo On Saturday went around the three-point arc without missing until his final shot from the corner, much to the chagrin of Okobo and the coaches feeding him passes.
 
I'm talking about Brunson and why he was able to get to the rim more.
Brunson had the third highest shooting % on that Nova team.

If having teammates who can shoot 3s at a high % help you get to the rim, then why wasn't anyone else on that team just as good ?
 
Brunson had the third highest shooting % on that Nova team.

If having teammates who can shoot 3s at a high % help you get to the rim, then why wasn't anyone else on that team just as good ?
Because they were jumpshooters? Lmao...
 
So, why the exclusive focus on guards? I thought small forward was our biggest weakness going forward. Do we really plan on going into another season counting on Harkless to be Motivated Moe for an entire season, and not the No Show Moe we saw from October to February?

BNM
 
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