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Boob-No-More said:
So, why the exclusive focus on guards? I thought small forward was our biggest weakness going forward. Do we really plan on going into another season counting on Harkless to be Motivated Moe for an entire season, and not the No Show Moe we saw from October to February?

BNM
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Because we’ll be getting our wings through trade/free agency.
 
Scalma said:
Because we’ll be getting our wings through trade/free agency.
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We're all going to be so pissed off when Neil drafts a back up pg like Brunson or Holiday and we have to wait a week or two for free agency and trades lol.
 
Scalma said:
Because we’ll be getting our wings through trade/free agency.
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I think we'd want to consider all options for addressing our biggest weakness.

The fact that we're bringing in a shit ton of guards leads me to believe the organization isn't as high on Baldwin as some members of this forum are.

It also doesn't bode well for resigning Shabazz. No surprise, he's not the kind of difference maker worthy of the salary he'll command + the luxury tax we'd pay on that salary.

It may not bode well for Patty Baseball either.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I think we'd want to consider all options for addressing our biggest weakness.

The fact that we're bringing in a shit ton of guards leads me to believe the organization isn't as high on Baldwin as some members of this forum are.

It also doesn't bode well for resigning Shabazz. No surprise, he's not the kind of difference maker worthy of the salary he'll command + the luxury tax we'd pay on that salary.

It may not bode well for Patty Baseball either.

BNM
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It ain’t that deep.
 
Boob-No-More said:
As long as he ends up being a cross between Penny Hardaway and Ben Simons.

I'm sure Dame loves this line:

"If an NBA team decided to draft Simons, it would be with an eye on the long term, as there's little chance he'll be ready to contribute anything of substance in the immediate future."

So much for getting Dame the immediate help he requested.

BNM
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They say that about most everyone drafted outside the lotto.
 
Everyone’s got an opinion so here’s mine; there’s no way there are 12 players in this draft better than Porter Jr.

I agree with the top two.
 
Scalma said:
Everyone’s got an opinion so here’s mine; there’s no way there are 12 players in this draft better than Porter Jr.

I agree with the top two.
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Its definitely possible. Rudimentary handle, average burst, streaky and inconsistent shooter, questionable defender.. he could definitely end up being a bust.
 
We seem very intent on getting a back up point guard via the draft which is not the worst idea but also clearly indicates we have no plans to resign Napier (which is wise, even if he only gets $4M or so a year) and probably don’t think Baldwin can play regular minutes (might have something to do with his doubtful shooting).

It might also be because it seems like in our range there will be lots of guards who project to be decent NBA players and not that many wings that could be said the same about. Maybe Huerter, Diop or Hutchison drop but if not then taking a guard might be the best choice.
 
Sarni said:
We seem very intent on getting a back up point guard via the draft which is not the worst idea but also clearly indicates we have no plans to resign Napier (which is wise, even if he only gets $4M or so a year) and probably don’t think Baldwin can play regular minutes (might have something to do with his doubtful shooting).

It might also be because it seems like in our range there will be lots of guards who project to be decent NBA players and not that many wings that could be said the same about. Maybe Huerter, Diop or Hutchison drop but if not then taking a guard might be the best choice.
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I think this is a bad idea. Drafting for backups who have no future if they keep Lillard and CJ seems like a wasted pick. You can grab backup point guards from the G league. Draft someone who might actually address a need. You need to draft with the hopes that he turns out to be a contributor, maybe you get lucky and pick a Donovan Mitchell star in the making. Why pick someone who if all goes well has addressed your backup PG needs? Just keep Napier
 
calvin natt said:
I think this is a bad idea. Drafting for backups who have no future if they keep Lillard and CJ seems like a wasted pick. You can grab backup point guards from the G league. Draft someone who might actually address a need. You need to draft with the hopes that he turns out to be a contributor, maybe you get lucky and pick a Donovan Mitchell star in the making. Why pick someone who if all goes well has addressed your backup PG needs? Just keep Napier
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Well I don’t disagree. When you consider where Philadelphia and Toronto found their back up point guard, both of whom have been very good, it does seem a bit pointless to waste a pick on that but we have invited so many guards to workouts that it really does seem to be the plan.

I want a shooting guard or a small forward, or someone who can play both (well most of those who can play one of them can play the other these days).
 
I want a big 3rd guard. I like Shamet because he's 6'5 with a 7'0 wingspan.
 
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JDC said:
Officially measured in at 6'5.25" in shoes with a 6'6.75" wingspan.
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Lmao. That's a huge difference. Why was it being reported that he had a 7ft wingspan before?

That's still big enough to play SG. He could be our Allen Crabbe but with more ball skills and (possibly) better defense.
 
Gronk Brady said:
Steph Curry is 6’3” with a 6’3” wingspan
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Shamet doesn't have the handle or overall skill level of a Curry though.

More of a jump shooter too with a flatter arc. Will need some time to adjust to NBA line.
 
BonesJones said:
Lmao. That's a huge difference. Why was it being reported that he had a 7ft wingspan before?

That's still big enough to play SG. He could be our Allen Crabbe but with more ball skills and (possibly) better defense.
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Not sure.

Reach (8'4") and wiry frame is def more combo guard though. Crabbe was also taller, longer and a better statistical defender in college.

Shamet has his strengths, just not sure a slight o-oriented guard is what we need.
 
JDC said:
Not sure.

Reach (8'4") and wiry frame is def more combo guard though. Crabbe was also taller, longer and a better statistical defender in college.

Shamet has his strengths, just not sure a slight o-oriented guard is what we need.
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Shamet can put on muscle, I think he's big enough to play the 2. His shooting is legit and his playmaking would be helpful. I think he could be the best 3rd guard we've ever had behind Lillard and McCollum.
 
BonesJones said:
Shamet can put on muscle, I think he's big enough to play the 2. His shooting is legit and his playmaking would be helpful. I think he could be the best 3rd guard we've ever had behind Lillard and McCollum.
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I don’t know how good Shamet can be, but they way the dude moves around reminds me of Steph Curry... he is a great shooter that will slip in he draft because he is not the best athlete... I think he would be a great pickup
 
BonesJones said:
Shamet can put on muscle, I think he's big enough to play the 2. His shooting is legit and his playmaking would be helpful. I think he could be the best 3rd guard we've ever had behind Lillard and McCollum.
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Big enough, sure. But he'll always be undersized for the position and I just don't think a Blazer team with Dame and CJ on it has room for another small guard who provides little D potential, especially in the playoffs.
 
JDC said:
Big enough, sure. But he'll always be undersized for the position and I just don't think a Blazer team with Dame and CJ on it has room for another small guard who provides little D potential, especially in the playoffs.
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Over 6'5 with a 6'7 wingspan isn't a small guard.

I think you underrate Shamets defense. He's a very smart defender and pretty quick laterally. Reminds me of the way Klay Thompson was looked at defensively coming out of WSU, when he wasn't considered a good defender by any stretch.
 
BonesJones said:
Over 6'5 with a 6'7 wingspan isn't a small guard.
I think you underrate Shamets defense. He's a very smart defender and pretty quick laterally. Reminds me of the way Klay Thompson was looked at defensively coming out of WSU, when he wasn't considered a good defender by any stretch.
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He's Jordan Clarkson sized and that guy gets trucked in the playoffs. His size and strength is never going to be a reason you play Landry and likely a liability.

And regardless of what people thought about Klay's defense, he at least had above average size for a SG (6'7.5", 6'9" wingspan, 8'7.5" stand reach, 205lbs) plus averaged 1.9 stls, 1 blk and a 3.2 DBPM his junior year.

I might be underrating Shamet's D, but in terms of physical and statistical profile, it's not even a comparison.
 
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JDC said:
He's Jordan Clarkson sized and that guy gets trucked in the playoffs. His size and strength is never going to be a reason you play Landry and likely a liability.

And regardless of what people thought about Klay's defense, he at least had above average size for a SG (6'7.5", 6'9" wingspan, 8'7.5" stand reach, 205lbs) plus averaged 1.9 stls, 1 blk and a 3.2 DBPM his junior year.

I might be underrating Shamet's D, but in terms of physical and statistical profile, it's not even a comparison.
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I knew you would bring up size to discredit the IQ and underrated lateral quicknes. Common theme. There's a reason I don't like discussing prospects with you... You try to discredit someone's point with something completely unrelated
 
BonesJones said:
I knew you would bring up size to discredit the IQ and underrated lateral quicknes. Common theme.
There's a reason I don't like discussing prospects with you... You try to discredit someone's point with something completely unrelated
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Noted.

All I was trying to do is illustrate why using Klay as a reason to be optimistic about Landry's D projection is suspect at best and that regardless of what you may think about his lat. quicks or IQ, his lacking tools otherwise will hold him back from being a positive defender imo.

There's is literally no player that I can remember with his height, length and weight plus statistical profile that has went on to be even a decent defender in NBA.
 
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yuyuza1 said:
Summer league fodder.
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That makes sense, but did we used to have workouts for these guys; didn't Olshey just pick them? And I don't remember him ever playing longtime veterans on the summer league team....
 
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