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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 8 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Joey Dorsey FTW!</div>

In all seriousness if we wasted our 2nd rounder on Joey Dorsey I'd be pretty amped.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Apr 8 2008, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 8 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Joey Dorsey FTW!</div>

In all seriousness if we wasted our 2nd rounder on Joey Dorsey I'd be pretty amped.
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He's a horrible foul shooter, like a poor man's dog's Shaq.
 
Are we really going to bring three rookies on this team next year though? We have Sean, Josh and Marcus who will be entering their third and second NBA season and hopefully will be a big part of next year.

Dorsey would be a nice 2nd round pick but I just don't see where he would fit if we resigned Diop and Krstic, along with Swift.

If the big has potential of a 1 - 10 draft pick then it would be a different story since he would be younger and more potential than Diop or Krstic hopefully.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 8 2008, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Apr 8 2008, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 8 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Joey Dorsey FTW!</div>

In all seriousness if we wasted our 2nd rounder on Joey Dorsey I'd be pretty amped.
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He's a horrible foul shooter, like a poor man's dog's Shaq.
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Joey Dorsey is nothing short of a poor man's acid induced vision of Shaq that he won't even believe.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 8 2008, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Apr 8 2008, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Apr 8 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Joey Dorsey FTW!</div>

In all seriousness if we wasted our 2nd rounder on Joey Dorsey I'd be pretty amped.
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He's a horrible foul shooter, like a poor man's dog's Shaq.
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Uh Dorsey is an undersized center that has no offensive game but is really athletic, diesel, and has a lot of energy. Sounds more like ben wallace to me than shaq.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Apr 8 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Batum
CDR
Pekovic</div>

You got my vote...although the two Euros both suck at Defense. I saw extended clip of Batum lately and his D was AWFUL AWFUL.

And I still submit that one of the three will be a Euro who they let develop overseas. They have done that three times in six years...Krstic in 2002, Drejer in 2004, Ilic in 2005. That's three picks out of 11 made in 2002-2007.
 
I think the nets need an offensive big man and wing that could really shoot. I have a feeling that the nets will try to get Brook Lopez, he fits everything they need for the frontcourt and would be a good complement to Boone and really give Krstic a kick in the ass. He's also had some maturity issues and I hope that will make him drop a little so that we could give up less picks/players to get him. If not I'd hope they could package both 1st round picks or one of the future number ones in order to move into the top 5 since brook looks like he might be gone by 5. They could address the wing with the second round pick courtney lee or richard Roby, basically whoever is left on the board or they could grab a shooter in free agency or resign boki.
 
Honestly I think Budinger would be an amazing player to draft...he's highly underrated and has a lot of potential while being a low risk...he'll never be "the man" but he'd be a great 2nd or 3rd option for any team.

As for the Mavs pick...personally I think Batum may actually fall to there...but if not CDR or Rush...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 9 2008, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for the Mavs pick...personally I think Batum may actually fall to there</div>

why?
 
I'd try to ship both those picks to Los Angeles for Elton Brand.
 
This is such a deep draft for NCAA players. I really hope we don't waste ANY picks on some European p-ssy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Apr 9 2008, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is such a deep draft for NCAA players. I really hope we don't waste ANY picks on some European p-ssy.</div>


this thread has so many quality posts.

like this one!
 
<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%">Netted, please check your PMs</span>
 
Speaking for myself, I don't have anything near the expertise needed to differentiate between the tenth best player in the draft and the 20th and the 30th, so I don't even try. In some cases, no one really knows, and the only differentiating factor used by teams is things like height and vertical leaping ability. I prefer to try to identify likely targets by the Nets given their needs and their draft preferences over the years (as well as some composite opinion on who are the more talented players in the draft by reliable sources), which have been pretty noticable and quantifiable. I will then take a closer look at those group of five or so players and try to learn more about them. I'll also try to predict which highly-regarded players may "slip" in the draft farther than universally expected.

I've done this before; I've been fairly successful with it.

As I mentioned earlier, the wildcard this year is the new presence of Wiki. Historically, the Nets never drafted a HS player when it was allowed; they were the last team to select a senior first overall; and the only players they've drafted under age 20 were done so with the intention of sending them to Europe for seasoning, which was done. So, we'd normally just cross off all the college freshman off their list. I'd like to think that they'd violate this internal tenet if someone like LeBron was on the board (or Michael Beasley), and, in fact, it seems as though they would have drafted Monta Ellis if they had the chance to (but not until the second round, so maybe they give themselves more leeway there). HOWEVER, Wiki could change that. We don't know how much influence he'll have in who the Nets will take, and even if so, what his preferences are. Absent Wiki, though, someone like Chase Budinger would be a perfect fit given their preferences and his widely-recognized qualities. CDR, also. Again, I don't know how these guys compare to others in the draft, or whether they'd be good pros--just that they are the types of players that the Nets would historically take a CLOSE look at.

BTW, despite all the talk of "taking the best player" irrespective of position, it isn't really true. Partially because there's often little to differentiate the best players remaining at different positions where they've been drafting, they've drafted players at specific positions of need--they have NOT drafted players where they have a glut, or intending to trade the incumbent to open up some playing time.
 
depends who is best available with the 1st pick...

COMBO GUARD (rose,mayo,bayless,gordon) ,hansbrough ,roby

SHOOTER WING (gallinari,budinger) ,hansbrough, hudson

BIG MAN (b lopez or a project big man) ,rush, hudson

ATHLETIC WING (batum, etc.) ,rush, jawai
 
IMO we don't really have a glaring need other than a sharp shooter which can be addressed in the 2nd round. This is what I would do.
1: O.J. Mayo / Kevin Love
1: Brandon Rush / Chris Douglas-Roberts
2: Shane Foster

Then..
Get rid of RJ and bring in Brand
Maybe bring in Mike Miller (I'm not sure if we are way over the cap or not)

Staring Lineup
PG: Devin Harris
SG: Vince Carter
SF: Mike Miller / Whoever is drafted (I'd perfer CDR, he reminds me of T-Mac)
PF: Elton Brand
C: Nenad Krstic

Bench:
Marcus Williams
O.J. Mayo / CDR (Until they work their way into the lineup)
Shane Foster
Sean Williams
Josh Boone
DeSagana Diop
Brandon Rush
Stromile Swift
Mo Ager?

Yeah, that's too many people on the team but you get the point.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Apr 8 2008, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To be honest, my knowledge for International, even college players, is pretty limited, which is why I rely on threads like this.</div>

It's hard for a lot of NBA fans, I think. Every time I watch college basketball, I'm amazed at how different it is than the NBA. Aside from the occosional player like D. Rose, they are playing basketball a completely different way. I don't see to many Euroleague games, but I'm sure overseas it's even more drastic.
 
although i favor shipping rj (and vc as well) the nba and current officiating philosophies favor slashing guards who can create contact...rj is this type of player but his lack of handles limit his abilty...vc has the handles to slash but finishes going away from contact...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ Apr 8 2008, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 9 2008, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for the Mavs pick...personally I think Batum may actually fall to there</div>

why?
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Months ago he was a top 10 pick but has slowly fell to being projected as a pick in the late teens...considering that he is being criticized for his unwillingness to dominate and be a number 1 option COMBINED with the fact that his defense makes it very possible that he could slide further in the draft.
 
Let me first remind those who don't already know that I don't watch college ball (although I did watch the final 4 this year and the championship game.) So I am relying purely on scouting reports from the various draft sites and what "experts" are saying about particular prospects.

One name that jumped out at me is Marreese Speights, the Florida Sophmore, although apparently it's not clear that he will declare. The Draft Express description of his physicals and offensive skillset make him seem perfect for the Nets, and they have him ranked 15th on the draft board right now. I like to consider the fact that he is from a big time program, played very limited but very effective minutes for the 2007 champs behind Al Horford and Joakim Noah, and so already has had a year of seasoning in practice against NBA-caliber big men and experience against elite college competition in big games. The fact that he was playing behind those guys for a year helps explain why he could look so good on paper but still not have the exposure necessary to have achieved lottery consideration. His FG% is 4th in the DE database (64%) and he is 8th in the nation in pace/minute adjusted rebounds.

I wouldn't want to take him unless we were prepared to move Sean Williams, though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 9 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let me first remind those who don't already know that I don't watch college ball (although I did watch the final 4 this year and the championship game.) So I am relying purely on scouting reports from the various draft sites and what "experts" are saying about particular prospects.

One name that jumped out at me is Marreese Speights, the Florida Sophmore, although apparently it's not clear that he will declare. The Draft Express description of his physicals and offensive skillset make him seem perfect for the Nets, and they have him ranked 15th on the draft board right now. I like to consider the fact that he is from a big time program, played very limited but very effective minutes for the 2007 champs behind Al Horford and Joakim Noah, and so already has had a year of seasoning in practice against NBA-caliber big men and experience against elite college competition in big games. The fact that he was playing behind those guys for a year helps explain why he could look so good on paper but still not have the exposure necessary to have achieved lottery consideration. His FG% is 4th in the DE database (64%) and he is 8th in the nation in pace/minute adjusted rebounds.

I wouldn't want to take him unless we were prepared to move Sean Williams, though.</div>
If Marreese Speights is available he is definate pickup...but keep Sean Williams...either resign Nenad or Diop but not both...
Still would like to find a way to get Budinger.
 
One thing to always keep in mind with DraftExpress and Florida Gators - the top guy at DX is a Gator and he tends to be too glowing in his reviews of Gators.

It is like taking with a grain of salt anything Dick Vitale says about Duke
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 9 2008, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 9 2008, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let me first remind those who don't already know that I don't watch college ball (although I did watch the final 4 this year and the championship game.) So I am relying purely on scouting reports from the various draft sites and what "experts" are saying about particular prospects.

One name that jumped out at me is Marreese Speights, the Florida Sophmore, although apparently it's not clear that he will declare. The Draft Express description of his physicals and offensive skillset make him seem perfect for the Nets, and they have him ranked 15th on the draft board right now. I like to consider the fact that he is from a big time program, played very limited but very effective minutes for the 2007 champs behind Al Horford and Joakim Noah, and so already has had a year of seasoning in practice against NBA-caliber big men and experience against elite college competition in big games. The fact that he was playing behind those guys for a year helps explain why he could look so good on paper but still not have the exposure necessary to have achieved lottery consideration. His FG% is 4th in the DE database (64%) and he is 8th in the nation in pace/minute adjusted rebounds.

I wouldn't want to take him unless we were prepared to move Sean Williams, though.</div>
If Marreese Speights is available he is definate pickup...but keep Sean Williams...either resign Nenad or Diop but not both...
Still would like to find a way to get Budinger.
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I don't think so about Speights..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Defensively, Speights still has a long ways to go until he’d be considered “trust-worthy” enough by an NBA head coach to see significant minutes at the next level. His fundamentals here are extremely poor, showing very little in terms of a real defensive stance, giving up excessive space in the paint, biting excessively for pump-fakes, not being very effective rotating over to help out on team defense, and doing an extremely poor job hedging the pick and roll. His commitment here leaves a lot to be desired, as he’s often fairly lazy closing out on shooters, and generally doesn’t seem to put in the greatest effort on this end of the floor. A lot of that has to do with his overall focus-level, which just isn’t always there.</div>
He'd be a waste of space. Frank would never play him.
 
Assuming that the Nets continue to draft according to their recently-shown preferences, I think there are only three legitimate options at this point: Westbrook, Budinger, and CDR. I really can't see them drafting a PG or a big. Among other things, they don't draft players at the same position in the first round in consecutive rounds, so I wouldn't expect them to take another PF. I also can't see them taking a PG unless they trade Marcus. It could happen, but I think Rod's preference is to stick with the players he has and give them a chance to develop (as you all know). That would leave a SG or SF, and of course they prefer a big kid from a major team in a major conference who is not a freshman, a "team player," can pass and play some defense, and is pretty smart.

I think it'll be between those three players OR the Nets will deal the pick. I haven't seen any of them--haven't watched a college game all season--but from what I read Budinger isn't very good defensively, and I suspect that they'll try to get someone who plays strong perimeter defense, which the other two do. Don't know if Westbrook has declared, or will declare.

Two other players that might be in the mix are Brandon Rush and Earl Clark of Louisville. They don't seem as highly regarded, though, and maybe the Nets could get one with the Dallas pick.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 9 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Assuming that the Nets continue to draft according to their recently-shown preferences, I think there are only three legitimate options at this point: Westbrook, Budinger, and CDR. I really can't see them drafting a PG or a big. Among other things, they don't draft players at the same position in the first round in consecutive rounds, so I wouldn't expect them to take another PF. I also can't see them taking a PG unless they trade Marcus. It could happen, but I think Rod's preference is to stick with the players he has and give them a chance to develop (as you all know). That would leave a SG or SF, and of course they prefer a big kid from a major team in a major conference who is not a freshman, a "team player," can pass and play some defense, and is pretty smart.

I think it'll be between those three players OR the Nets will deal the pick. I haven't seen any of them--haven't watched a college game all season--but from what I read Budinger isn't very good defensively, and I suspect that they'll try to get someone who plays strong perimeter defense, which the other two do. Don't know if Westbrook has declared, or will declare.

Two other players that might be in the mix are Brandon Rush and Earl Clark of Louisville. They don't seem as highly regarded, though, and maybe the Nets could get one with the Dallas pick.</div>
Until today I was holding out hope that one of the offense-minded bigs would drop to us (Lopez, Randolph, Griffin), but Griffin pulled out of the draft today, so that seems unlikely. I think the Nets might have broken Dumpy's rule for one of them.

I think Westbrook is strictly a PG. Right now I think CDR will be the pick, and that his stock will rise enough in the next couple of months that it won't seem like the stretch that it does right now. He has some key advantages over Budinger: defensive potential, outside shooting, ability to penetrate, and he was a key player on a near-championship team. His handle scares me, I wish he rebounded more, and I hate that he pooped his pants at the FT line with the championship at stake, but nobody's perfect.

I kind of like Tyler Smith for the 2nd pick. Maybe Ryan Anderson, Chalmers, or Jason Thompson for the second rounder assuming the best Eurostash players will be gone by the time we pick.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (essrog @ Apr 9 2008, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 9 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Assuming that the Nets continue to draft according to their recently-shown preferences, I think there are only three legitimate options at this point: Westbrook, Budinger, and CDR. I really can't see them drafting a PG or a big. Among other things, they don't draft players at the same position in the first round in consecutive rounds, so I wouldn't expect them to take another PF. I also can't see them taking a PG unless they trade Marcus. It could happen, but I think Rod's preference is to stick with the players he has and give them a chance to develop (as you all know). That would leave a SG or SF, and of course they prefer a big kid from a major team in a major conference who is not a freshman, a "team player," can pass and play some defense, and is pretty smart.

I think it'll be between those three players OR the Nets will deal the pick. I haven't seen any of them--haven't watched a college game all season--but from what I read Budinger isn't very good defensively, and I suspect that they'll try to get someone who plays strong perimeter defense, which the other two do. Don't know if Westbrook has declared, or will declare.

Two other players that might be in the mix are Brandon Rush and Earl Clark of Louisville. They don't seem as highly regarded, though, and maybe the Nets could get one with the Dallas pick.</div>
Until today I was holding out hope that one of the offense-minded bigs would drop to us (Lopez, Randolph, Griffin), but Griffin pulled out of the draft today, so that seems unlikely. I think the Nets might have broken Dumpy's rule for one of them.

I think Westbrook is strictly a PG. Right now I think CDR will be the pick, and that his stock will rise enough in the next couple of months that it won't seem like the stretch that it does right now. He has some key advantages over Budinger: defensive potential, outside shooting, ability to penetrate, and he was a key player on a near-championship team. His handle scares me, I wish he rebounded more, and I hate that he pooped his pants at the FT line with the championship at stake, but nobody's perfect.
I kind of like Tyler Smith for the 2nd pick. Maybe Ryan Anderson, Chalmers, or Jason Thompson for the second rounder assuming the best Eurostash players will be gone by the time we pick.
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Budinger's defensive problems can be fixed with coaching and the leadership of veterans...right now he strictly utilizes his lateral quickness defensively and lacks the physicality...that can be learned...he is a great shooter, excellent in transition and a great finisher...the perfect compliment in a Devin Harris led offense.

If he's there when we pick barring any top talent like Mayo or Gordan falling then we should take him.
 
This draft has a lot of huge SF. Beasley, Greene, Gallinari and Randolph.

I wonder what Thorn thinks about them because they sometimes can get a post game but also have an outside shot.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Apr 10 2008, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This draft has a lot of huge SF. Beasley, Greene, Gallinari and Randolph.

I wonder what Thorn thinks about them because <u>they sometimes can get a post game</u> but also have an outside shot.</div>
That's my problem with some of those guys.

I'm not a fan of tall guys with not a lot of weight on them that play mostly on the perimeter and have no range on their shot. Players like Greene and Randolph remind me of Harrington, Warrick, Deng, Villanueva, Marvin Williams, Brandon Wright, etc. I never see these types of players on winning teams. With one exception, Kirilenko. I know there has been a couple players that put up good numbers lately like Durant and Rudy Gay, but I'm still not convinced anyone can contend for a championship with them yet. Odom was able to add weight and become very effective.

I guess the key is if they can add weight, develop range on their shot, or develop a post game. Without the weight they won't get much of a post game. Also, on the defensive end can they guard 4s without getting pushed around? Can they keep up with the speed of NBA 3s on the outside?

Sean Williams is in this world of discovering what he's going to be. I think he needs to add weight and be a 4. Its the only way he can fully utilize his best asset which is weakside shot blocking. He needs to add about 10lbs of muscle this summer.

The NBA is bigger, faster and stronger than college. Those best equiped will make the biggest impact. Those that can't adapt their body or game fail. Danny Granger is a prime example of someone built to succeed on the NBA level. Has both strength and speed.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 10 2008, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Apr 10 2008, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This draft has a lot of huge SF. Beasley, Greene, Gallinari and Randolph.

I wonder what Thorn thinks about them because <u>they sometimes can get a post game</u> but also have an outside shot.</div>
That's my problem with some of those guys.

I'm not a fan of tall guys with not a lot of weight on them that play mostly on the perimeter and have no range on their shot. Players like Greene and Randolph remind me of Harrington, Warrick, Deng, Villanueva, Marvin Williams, Brandon Wright, etc. I never see these types of players on winning teams. With one exception, Kirilenko. I know there has been a couple players that put up good numbers lately like Durant and Rudy Gay, but I'm still not convinced anyone can contend for a championship with them yet. Odom was able to add weight and become very effective.

I guess the key is if they can add weight, develop range on their shot, or develop a post game. Without the weight they won't get much of a post game. Also, on the defensive end can they guard 4s without getting pushed around? Can they keep up with the speed of NBA 3s on the outside?

Sean Williams is in this world of discovering what he's going to be. I think he needs to add weight and be a 4. Its the only way he can fully utilize his best asset which is weakside shot blocking. He needs to add about 10lbs of muscle this summer.

The NBA is bigger, faster and stronger than college. Those best equiped will make the biggest impact. Those that can't adapt their body or game fail. Danny Granger is a prime example of someone built to succeed on the NBA level. Has both strength and speed.
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Granger has never been on a winning team. Half of those other guys who aren't examples of "someone built to succeed" have been on successful teams.
 

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