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Rastapopoulos said:
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Trump said on Twitter that he is taking steps to separate himself from his business operations. He gave no details, but promised a Dec. 15 press conference to reveal his plans.
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Perhaps we should wait a couple weeks and find out what those plans will entail instead of continuing to claim "conflict of interest!"
 
Anything else you pretend he means is bullshit.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trumps-five-point-plan-for-ethics-reform

DONALD J. TRUMP’S FIVE-POINT PLAN FOR ETHICS REFORM

“It’s Time To Drain The Swamp In Washington, D.C. That’s Why I’m Proposing A Package Of Ethics Reforms To Make Our Government Honest Once Again.” - Donald J. Trump
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First: I am going to re-institute a 5-year ban on all executive branch officials lobbying the government for 5 years after they leave government service. I am going to ask Congress to pass this ban into law so that it cannot be lifted by executive order.

Second: I am going to ask Congress to institute its own 5-year ban on lobbying by former members of Congress and their staffs.

Third: I am going to expand the definition of lobbyist so we close all the loopholes that former government officials use by labeling themselves consultants and advisors when we all know they are lobbyists.

Fourth: I am going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.

Fifth: I am going to ask Congress to pass a campaign finance reform that prevents registered foreign lobbyists from raising money in American elections.

Not only will we end our government corruption, but we will end the economic stagnation.
 
e_blazer said:
I don't see how there's any conflict of interest until Jan. 20, 2017. Perhaps the media could stop hyperventilating a bit and see what Trump does to divest himself from his business interests prior to that date? Or maybe they just enjoy playing Chicken Little?
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I know - like all that stuff about how he wasn't releasing his taxes? And of COURSE he ended up releasing his taxes.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I know - like all that stuff about how he wasn't releasing his taxes? And of COURSE he ended up releasing his taxes.
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Unlike the potential conflict of interest and other legal issues that relate to him continuing to have any interest in the Post Office building in DC, there's absolutely no legal requirement for him to release his tax returns. Pisses people off, and maybe some (like me) didn't vote for him because of that and multiple other reasons, but he's within his legal rights to tell the media to stuff it regarding his tax returns.
 
e_blazer said:
Unlike the potential conflict of interest and other legal issues that relate to him continuing to have any interest in the Post Office building in DC, there's absolutely no legal requirement for him to release his tax returns. Pisses people off, and maybe some (like me) didn't vote for him because of that and multiple other reasons, but he's within his legal rights to tell the media to stuff it regarding his tax returns.
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Exactly, that same thing goes for him "having to do a blind trust". He doesn't have to legally. As long as he doesn't violate that one clause. MSM needs to relax.
 
Denny Crane said:
Fourth: I am going to issue a lifetime ban against senior executive branch officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.
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Michael Flynn:
his new appointment as national security adviser, which doesn’t require congressional approval, allows Trump to sidestep what would have likely been a bruising, two-step confirmation battle on Capitol Hill....
Republican lawmakers would also likely have grilled Flynn about his decision to do a paid series of events in Moscow that included a speech and an appearance at an anniversary party for RT, a Kremlin-funded TV station, where he was photographed sitting next to Putin.
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Paul Manafort:
"We joke in Ukraine that it is a bad sign for Trump that he hired Manafort. Because his client Yanukovych was ousted and fled to Russia, to the city of Rostov. So Trump could also end up in Rostov. It is almost like an anecdote." -- Ukrainian political expert Oleg Kravchenko
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(But he was fired, right? Right...)

Rudy Giuliani:
But when Clinton was secretary of state, she was the one concerned about Giuliani after he took a trip to Belgrade and met with leaders of a Serbian political party once allied with Serbian strongman Slobodan Milosevic.
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Why does Giuliani think he's got a shot at Secretary of State? Shouldn't Trump just put him out of his misery by pointing to Rule #4?
 
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Denny Crane said:
Nothing you posted suggests they'll ever lobby for foreign governments from this point forward.
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Oh, I get it. The rules apply in the FUTURE. So members of the Trump team are forbidden from lobbying AFTER they leave. But of course, that's meaningless, because you can't actually stop them and nobody will remember these rules. So what you mean is the rules don't mean anything. Which, of course, we knew anyway. But I thought you wanted to pretend otherwise.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Oh, I get it. The rules apply in the FUTURE. So members of the Trump team are forbidden from lobbying AFTER they leave. But of course, that's meaningless, because you can't actually stop them and nobody will remember these rules. So what you mean is the rules don't mean anything. Which, of course, we knew anyway. But I thought you wanted to pretend otherwise.
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I expect he asks congress to make it a crime to do so.
 
e_blazer said:
Man, the left is salty over this election. I think I should buy some stock in whatever company makes Preparation H. I've never seen so much butt hurt.

I'm no Trump fan, but they're even finding a half dozen kinds of fault in saving 1,000 jobs. Sheesh.
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buckle up! Trump won the election by pissing a lot of people off....simple..now he gets to govern those people under a microscope....
 
e_blazer said:
Man, the left is salty over this election. I think I should buy some stock in whatever company makes Preparation H. I've never seen so much butt hurt.

I'm no Trump fan, but they're even finding a half dozen kinds of fault in saving 1,000 jobs. Sheesh.
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At the same time, it's interesting that there are 10,000 posts here (i exaggerate only slightly) about how butt hurt the snowflakes and libtards are. I think 'you lost' is a greater source of joy than 'we won' here.

But I'm comfortable with Trump fans taking whatever joy they can in their victory. I'll try to remember to rub it in their faces down the road when the pendulum swings back.

barfo
 
riverman said:
buckle up! Trump won the election by pissing a lot of people off....simple..now he gets to govern those people under a microscope....
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And how is that different than what Obama did to the right in the last election? It seems like our political discourse is in a death spiral. Bush...ugly. Obama...uglier. Trump...total meltdown.
 
barfo said:
At the same time, it's interesting that there are 10,000 posts here (i exaggerate only slightly) about how butt hurt the snowflakes and libtards are. I think 'you lost' is a greater source of joy than 'we won' here.

But I'm comfortable with Trump fans taking whatever joy they can in their victory. I'll try to remember to rub it in their faces down the road when the pendulum swings back.

barfo
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Oh, I doubt that it would be too hard to search out a few gleeful posts from you in the archives from when Obama won. But, to paraphrase Mrs. Clinton, at this point what difference does it really make anyway?

I'm firmly convinced that Trump is going to be a disaster, but I'm more than willing to wait until something of significance happens before I start yelling about it. The degree of liberal meltdown on Facebook and social media is beyond belief.
 
e_blazer said:
And how is that different than what Obama did to the right in the last election? It seems like our political discourse is in a death spiral. Bush...ugly. Obama...uglier. Trump...total meltdown.
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in my opinion, it's very, very different from anything we've seen before.....to be on a death spiral would require political discourse and we've been in divorce court without good representation most of my life...Obama came into office playing defense....Cheney was in total control of Bush...offense...if you think Trump is getting bad vibes now....I expect it to get much worse. I'm not impressed with anything so far....like I said, buckle up.....Trump has a lot of backpedaling to do if he wants Congress to work with him....enter Mitt Romney, etc....at least in the past our elected officials were civil within the discourse...not sure Donald has that skill
 
e_blazer said:
Oh, I doubt that it would be too hard to search out a few gleeful posts from you in the archives from when Obama won.
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I don't know, the search here doesn't seem all that easy, or maybe I just don't know how to use it. Somehow 'posts newer than' is not very useful when searching for posts from years ago.

The degree of liberal meltdown on Facebook and social media is beyond belief.
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I'll have to take your word for it. It must be pretty amazing to need to mention it constantly. I'm sure it's nothing at all like the rants about Obummer these last 8 years.

barfo
 
riverman said:
in my opinion, it's very, very different from anything we've seen before.....to be on a death spiral would require political discourse and we've been in divorce court without good representation most of my life...Obama came into office playing defense....Cheney was in total control of Bush...offense...if you think Trump is getting bad vibes now....I expect it to get much worse. I'm not impressed with anything so far....like I said, buckle up.....Trump has a lot of backpedaling to do if he wants Congress to work with him....enter Mitt Romney, etc....at least in the past our elected officials were civil within the discourse...not sure Donald has that skill
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I'm doubtful that Trump has the self control to avoid veering off on irrelevant tangents every time someone goads him...which is going to be constantly. Some people seem to think that he's just messing with the media with his Twitter storms. I think it's more like where you take your dog on a walk and he's trotting along beside you and you're both enjoying the jaunt...SQUIRREL!!!!
 
e_blazer said:
Man, the left is salty over this election. I think I should buy some stock in whatever company makes Preparation H. I've never seen so much butt hurt.

I'm no Trump fan, but they're even finding a half dozen kinds of fault in saving 1,000 jobs. Sheesh.
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Funny.

I like your post at least twice :)
 
barfo said:
I don't know, the search here doesn't seem all that easy, or maybe I just don't know how to use it. Somehow 'posts newer than' is not very useful when searching for posts from years ago.



I'll have to take your word for it. It must be pretty amazing to need to mention it constantly. I'm sure it's nothing at all like the rants about Obummer these last 8 years.

barfo
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Yeah the search function is pretty much useless. Thinking about it more carefully, I doubt you did much gloating. More likely, you and Denny just made snarky posts back and forth like usual.

As far as the stuff on FB, maybe I just have a lot of friends who are liberal, but my feed is one big whine-fest.

EDIT: And as far as the "need to mention it constantly", not sure what the hell you're talking about unless once equates to "constantly" in your corner of the Internet.
 
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