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Scarface is great for unintentional humour. But yea, Escobar was more like the dude that killed Montana.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Scarface is great for unintentional humour. But yea, Escobar was more like the dude that killed Montana.</div>

Yeah, Escobar was Alejandro Sosa in Scarface, who killed Montana. Montana was actually based off of Jose Miguel Battle, Cuban mafia founder.

Anyway, back on the topic, anyone else an OG K fan?
 
Wow, a lot of you are not educated on the topic of self medication. It's a little disheartening to see some of you so confused, and scared, and others so negative about it. I think it has a lot to do with the information you take in, your D.A.R.E. classes in elementary school, your churches, and most of all the television set you so blatantly stare into for countless hours, but all that is for another thread and another time.

Drugs, in essence are mind openers, they are tools for self-exploration to which we should be thankful and appreciative of. I myself am a "user" of many a drugs, most notably LSD, and DMT. Due to them, I have gained a new perspective on life, I have become a more open, patient, caring, and egoless individual.

That's not to say drugs are not harmless, they very much are. It is however, the way you approach them that sets your reasoning between them. People need to be informed of such a high power that they are about to put into their body. Read, watch, examine, research and you'll find that like many things in life, drugs are one of those hidden treasures that can renew your ability to perceive.

"I feel that if somebody's going to experiment with those things they really need to educate themselves about them. People just taking the chemicals and diving in without having any kind of preparation about what they're about to experience tend to have no frame of reference, so they're missing everything flying by and all these new perspectives. It's just a waste. They reach a little bit of spiritual enlightenment, but they end up going, 'Well, now I need that drug to get back there again.' The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug." -- Maynard James Keenan
 
I played Street Fighter as a young kid and it said "Winners don't do drugs." I've been a winner ever since. Who am I to argue with Ryu? lol.
 
I've smoked weed a couple of times. I do prefer smoking rather than drinking. White-widdow is teh ****! But you should never smoke it more than like once every week....
 
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I played Street Fighter as a young kid and it said "Winners don't do drugs." I've been a winner ever since. Who am I to argue with Ryu? lol.</div>
lol, Video game education on drugs. Reminds me of those GI Joe commercials at the end of each show.
 
<div class="quote_poster">SkiptoMyLue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol, Video game education on drugs. Reminds me of those GI Joe commercials at the end of each show.</div>

"And knowing is half the battle."

How come they never tell you the other half?
 
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Do you drink coffee or pop or energy drinks? Pretty much everything is a "foreign chemical" except water.</div>

Actually I don't. I only drink gatorade on occasion. It's either water or milk. But when I mean foreign chemical, it's a chemical that effects the way your brain functions. Like alcohol and drugs.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Drugs, in essence are mind openers, they are tools for self-exploration to which we should be thankful and appreciative of. </div>dude, you are an idiot, i'm sorry. for this comment? are you kidding me? drugs abuse or misuse is putting toxins that are not good for you into your body. period. they are not tools for anyone who wants to be healthy, productive or to grow in ANY way. they hinder all of these things. i am not a monk. i have tried quite a few substances and consume alcohol regularly - but i'm not under the illusion that any of these things are "tools" wake up and don't be a bad influence - there are a lot of young teens on this site
 
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but wake up don't be a bad influence - there are a lot of young teens on this site.
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First of all, he wasn't the first person in the thread to state what he did. Secondly, if anyone's going to try drugs based on what someone wrote on a message board, then they're just plain stupid. All of the "young teens" that posted here were very strong or determined in thier approach towards drugs, and I doubt that what Sasha wrote in his post is going to change thier opinion. This is just a discussion, there isn't any influence in the air.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Junoon Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">First of all, he wasn't the first person in the thread to state what he did. Secondly, if anyone's going to try drugs based on what someone wrote on a message board, then they're just plain stupid. All of the "young teens" that posted here were very strong or determined in thier approach towards drugs, and I doubt that what Sasha wrote in his post is going to change thier opinion. This is just a discussion, there isn't any influence in the air.</div>
you really have no clue about the powers of influence people can have over a kid, do you? some kids might be able to make their own minds up, MOST kids and people in general are going to influenced by what people say to some extent, that doesn't make them STUPID that makes them Normal.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">

Drugs, in essence are mind openers, they are tools for self-exploration to which we should be thankful and appreciative of. I myself am a "user" of many a drugs, most notably LSD, and DMT. Due to them, I have gained a new perspective on life, I have become a more open, patient, caring, and egoless individual.



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I don't mess with drugs, its just a ticket to trouble.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, a lot of you are not educated on the topic of self medication. It's a little disheartening to see some of you so confused, and scared, and others so negative about it. I think it has a lot to do with the information you take in, your D.A.R.E. classes in elementary school, your churches, and most of all the television set you so blatantly stare into for countless hours, but all that is for another thread and another time.

Drugs, in essence are mind openers, they are tools for self-exploration to which we should be thankful and appreciative of. I myself am a "user" of many a drugs, most notably LSD, and DMT. Due to them, I have gained a new perspective on life, I have become a more open, patient, caring, and egoless individual.

That's not to say drugs are not harmless, they very much are. It is however, the way you approach them that sets your reasoning between them. People need to be informed of such a high power that they are about to put into their body. Read, watch, examine, research and you'll find that like many things in life, drugs are one of those hidden treasures that can renew your ability to perceive.
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Agreed 100%. Peyote is a real spiritual experience for me. I've used a variety of drugs that do truly expand your mind.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">dude, you are an idiot, i'm sorry. for this comment? are you kidding me? drugs abuse or misuse is putting toxins that are not good for you into your body. period. they are not tools for anyone who wants to be healthy, productive or to grow in ANY way. they hinder all of these things. i am not a monk. i have tried quite a few substances and consume alcohol regularly - but i'm not under the illusion that any of these things are "tools" wake up and don't be a bad influence - there are a lot of young teens on this site</div>

Bro', I really respect your opinion on basketball and a lot of other subjects, but you're dead wrong on this one. You're speaking from misinformation and inexperience.

*refers to Dr. Timothy Leary's Harvard lecture

A psychedelic experience is a journey to new realms of consciousness. The scope and content of the experience is limitless, but its characteristic features are the transcendence of verbal concepts, of space-time dimensions, and of the ego or identity. Such experiences of enlarged consciousness can occur in a variety of ways: sensory deprivation, yoga exercises, disciplined meditation, religious or aesthetic ecstasies, or spontaneously. Most recently they have become available to anyone through the ingestion of psychedelic drugs such as LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, DMT, etc. Of course, the drug does not produce the transcendent experience. It merely acts as a chemical key — it opens the mind, frees the nervous system of its ordinary patterns and structures.
 
<div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Actually I don't. I only drink gatorade on occasion. It's either water or milk. But when I mean foreign chemical, it's a chemical that effects the way your brain functions. Like alcohol and drugs.</div>

Caffeine affects the way your brain functions, so does sugar.
 
What's your guys favorite music to get high to?
 
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">you really have no clue about the powers of influence people can have over a kid, do you? some kids might be able to make their own minds up, MOST kids and people in general are going to influenced by what people say to some extent, that doesn't make them STUPID that makes them Normal.</div>

Exactly, I kept saying that we are taught this and that in our school. Us young teens are influenced by adults and stuff. I posted my thoughts, and they thought it was stupid, I told them I am speaking from a point of a 15 year old. I agree with ya on that one though.
 
What exactly is the legal status of this material? Are we allowed to advocate drug use legally? I moved this here for now, but feel free to move it back if it's legal. Umair just looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen though.
 
Everyone's been pretty good with sticking to simply sharing experiences. If anything, the only people that have forced their opinion are the anti-druggies (Umair, phunDamentalz). Considering it was a thread started by Carter, I thought it'd turn out much worse than it has.
 
Re-opened. Let's keep an open mind and respect each other's point of views. No one is advocating drug use, people are just sharing their experiences. Don't confuse abusing drugs with trying drugs or experimenting with drugs.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Orlandoman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What's your guys favorite music to get high to?</div>

Easily Sublime and Bob Marley. I love kicking a session while listening to these two.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, a lot of you are not educated on the topic of self medication. It's a little disheartening to see some of you so confused, and scared, and others so negative about it. I think it has a lot to do with the information you take in, your D.A.R.E. classes in elementary school, your churches, and most of all the television set you so blatantly stare into for countless hours, but all that is for another thread and another time.

Drugs, in essence are mind openers, they are tools for self-exploration to which we should be thankful and appreciative of. I myself am a "user" of many a drugs, most notably LSD, and DMT. Due to them, I have gained a new perspective on life, I have become a more open, patient, caring, and egoless individual.

That's not to say drugs are not harmless, they very much are. It is however, the way you approach them that sets your reasoning between them. People need to be informed of such a high power that they are about to put into their body. Read, watch, examine, research and you'll find that like many things in life, drugs are one of those hidden treasures that can renew your ability to perceive.

"I feel that if somebody's going to experiment with those things they really need to educate themselves about them. People just taking the chemicals and diving in without having any kind of preparation about what they're about to experience tend to have no frame of reference, so they're missing everything flying by and all these new perspectives. It's just a waste. They reach a little bit of spiritual enlightenment, but they end up going, 'Well, now I need that drug to get back there again.' The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug." -- Maynard James Keenan</div>

I hate Tool, but I appreciate this post nonetheless. It's all about knowing what you're putting into your body.

LSD, psilocybin, and (pure) MDMA all have great therapeutic effects too, and psychiatrists and neurologists should be allowed to provisionally prescribe them.


When somebody "f"s up their life and drugs are a factor, you can't blame the drugs. The drugs are a scapegoat for that person's irresponsibility.
 
My point of view in this discussion is probably more of a median one. I'm neither a person who would necessarily advocate drug use, although i can't speak from experience as to more of the "harder" drugs. All I know is that heavy use of MDMA and other drugs have been proven to cause HOLES in the brain. I am definately not down for having holes in my brain, and so, while i may experiment down the line in my life I, personally, will not allow it go further than that.
 
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">"And knowing is half the battle."

How come they never tell you the other half?</div>
Because they wanted to stimulate our minds and think of what the other half of the battle was or ... the other half of the battle is putting your knowledge to use.
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Hmm. . Drugs don't do it for me. I'll never touch drugs nor drink alcohol. But to be honest, I can only read this thread and feel curious. But that doesn't change anything. Keep the posts coming -- this is quite interesting. Some of the smartest people I know are complete drug abusers, they have so much knowledge it's fascinating.

For those more knowledgeable, care to share what drugs you have used? I hope this isn't inappropriate, this is just for common knowledge. Outside the "big 3" (coke, weed, heroin), I don't know many drugs. Again, I would never TOUCH drugs, but I'd like to learn more.
 
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">dude, you are an idiot, i'm sorry. for this comment? are you kidding me? drugs abuse or misuse is putting toxins that are not good for you into your body. period. they are not tools for anyone who wants to be healthy, productive or to grow in ANY way. they hinder all of these things. i am not a monk. i have tried quite a few substances and consume alcohol regularly - but i'm not under the illusion that any of these things are "tools" wake up and don't be a bad influence - there are a lot of young teens on this site</div>
What is your problem? A bad influence? Are you kidding ME? I doubt anyone here is going to go out to 4th Avenue of whatever city they live in and score some pot because I mentioned drugs to be a good experience for myself. Since when am I responsible for the people that post on this website? I don't recollect agreeing to those terms when I joined back whenever. Get off your high horse Oprah. Oh, BTW I remember saying something of a cautionary stance as well, so you have no ground to speak...

"That's not to say drugs are not harmless, they very much are. It is however, the way you approach them that sets your reasoning between them. People need to be informed of such a high power that they are about to put into their body. Read, watch, examine, research..."

Look into the drug culture, and you will see that it is set up once again by a propagandist vision. Drugs are not bad, when regulated. I partake in the experimentation of such chemicals, because it's beneficial to me as I already stated in my post. My posts are a reflection of my opinion. Nothing is set in stone, and nothing should be taken at face value. You seem very sheltered.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">First of all, he wasn't the first person in the thread to state what he did. Secondly, if anyone's going to try drugs based on what someone wrote on a message board, then they're just plain stupid. All of the "young teens" that posted here were very strong or determined in thier approach towards drugs, and I doubt that what Sasha wrote in his post is going to change thier opinion. This is just a discussion, there isn't any influence in the air.</div>
Thank you.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">you really have no clue about the powers of influence people can have over a kid, do you? some kids might be able to make their own minds up, MOST kids and people in general are going to influenced by what people say to some extent, that doesn't make them STUPID that makes them Normal.</div>
Normal to believe something written by someone on a message board, on the INTERNET? Are you one of those that writes up their college papers with the help of Wikipedia? People aren't this fragile bud. There is actually more resistance to change and understanding in the world then what you make it seem like.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't mess with drugs, its just a ticket to trouble.</div>
How so?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What's your guys favorite music to get high to?</div>
Led Zeppelin, King Crimson, Yes, Rush, Grateful Dead, Phish, of course Pink Floyd and other avant-garde artists.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly, I kept saying that we are taught this and that in our school. Us young teens are influenced by adults and stuff. I posted my thoughts, and they thought it was stupid, I told them I am speaking from a point of a 15 year old. I agree with ya on that one though.
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You need to learn for yourself. Your textbooks and your teachers don't hold the key to knowledge. They hold very little of it. Also, for the sake of humanity and phunDamentalz, please don't take in everything you read on the internet as fact. Most of it are just pseudo-intellectual opinions from money hungry leeches.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I hate Tool, but I appreciate this post nonetheless. It's all about knowing what you're putting into your body.

LSD, psilocybin, and (pure) MDMA all have great therapeutic effects too, and psychiatrists and neurologists should be allowed to provisionally prescribe them.

When somebody "f"s up their life and drugs are a factor, you can't blame the drugs. The drugs are a scapegoat for that person's irresponsibility.</div>
That settles it then. Be aware of what you're doing.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Hmm. . Drugs don't do it for me. I'll never touch drugs nor drink alcohol. But to be honest, I can only read this thread and feel curious. But that doesn't change anything. Keep the posts coming -- this is quite interesting. Some of the smartest people I know are complete drug abusers, they have so much knowledge it's fascinating.

For those more knowledgeable, care to share what drugs you have used? I hope this isn't inappropriate, this is just for common knowledge. Outside the "big 3" (coke, weed, heroin), I don't know many drugs. Again, I would never TOUCH drugs, but I'd like to learn more.</div>
Thank you for that. Try erowid.org.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How so?</div>
Anytime you buy drugs or do drugs its a risk to get in trouble by the po po's.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">

Thank you for that. Try erowid.org.</div>

Great website. I consult it any time I have ever done a drug for the first time or just to check things out.

And MDMA has been mentioned in this thread, easily the best feeling I have ever felt. Ever. Although, I try to not do it very often because it is a very very harmful drug. But when I do... wow. Two nights ago I did it at a party with a bunch of friends for the first time in like a year and it was the best night I've had in a long long time. I fell in love with a girl for a night over the phone... i returned to my senses in the morning but you know a drug is good if you fall in love under it.
 
<div class="quote_poster">twool913 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My point of view in this discussion is probably more of a median one. I'm neither a person who would necessarily advocate drug use, although i can't speak from experience as to more of the "harder" drugs. All I know is that heavy use of MDMA and other drugs have been proven to cause HOLES in the brain. I am definately not down for having holes in my brain, and so, while i may experiment down the line in my life I, personally, will not allow it go further than that.</div>

I'm sorry, but you're [incredibly misinformed]. MDMA does not cause "holes in your brain."

As a student of medicine, I am disgusted at some of these ignorant responses. Why do you guys pretend like you know things when you don't have the slightest idea? Cite some sources-- primary medical ones-- if you are going to spew this ignorant crap and misinform people. You guys are like virgins explaining how a vagina works.

I graduated top of my class, got 5 scholarships, and I did over 20 different drugs in high school.
 
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