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[SharpesTriumph]

If the olympics, all pro sports, etc have strict rules that require birth gender for all female athletes, why do some states schools, colleges, and girls youth sports allow something different?

Its an issue that many liberals find "complex" and hard to find a solution on. But its black and white to conservatives, Republicans, Independents, and even many Democrats. That's why its so easy to rally support. Its a simple issue for most voters that the vast majority of the country strongly believes one way on.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Because it segregated trans people and further stigmatizes. Because there won't be anything like the same number of teams and sports. Because it is separate and very unequal. Because contrary to myth trans people and teams with trans members have not unfairly dominated sports. Because tall strong cis women and girls are already being subjected to demeaning demands they prove they are "real".

This is flat false as numerous trans athletes in woman's sports have won high school and college competitions.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

If the olympics, all pro sports, etc have strict rules that require birth gender for all female athletes, why do some states schools, colleges, and girls youth sports allow something different?

Its an issue that many liberals find "complex" and hard to find a solution on. But its black and white to conservatives, Republicans, Independents, and even many Democrats. That's why its so easy to rally support. Its a simple issue for most voters that the vast majority of the country strongly believes one way on.

It is complex because they actually care about the well being of others and don't want a vulnerable population that already has high suicide rates ostracized even more. Doesn't mean there shouldn't be a conversation and trying to find a solution for all. However, once again, if you havent ready the article I linked above. This has been going on since 2009 and hasn't been a big issue until the right decided to make it their boogeyman.

Good news is an even more important issue being human rights and is causing many Republicans, democrats and independents to rally together to turn districts that rarely vote republican to vote Democrat.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

This is flat false as numerous trans athletes in woman's sports have won high school and college competitions.

"Numerous" as in 10 or less athletes in the NCAA that identify as Trans out of 500,000.

Surely if they are are dominating all the sports they would be household names right?

Brother, it is such a low population.

I've tried looking for how many trans athletes there are in high school sports and have not been able to find it. But in Portland there was one and they received so much harassment over it they are moving to Canada.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

"Numerous" as in 10 or less athletes in the NCAA that identify as Trans out of 500,000.

Surely if they are are dominating all the sports they would be household names right?

I would recognize a couple of the names of some trans athletes that won as its been very controversial. So yeah thats a lot higher than the rate of 10/500,000 - you basically proved my point that some trans athletes have a very large unfair advantage.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

It is complex because they actually care about the well being of others and don't want a vulnerable population that already has high suicide rates ostracized even more. Doesn't mean there shouldn't be a conversation and trying to find a solution for all. However, once again, if you havent ready the article I linked above. This has been going on since 2009 and hasn't been a big issue until the right decided to make it their boogeyman.

Good news is an even more important issue being human rights and is causing many Republicans, democrats and independents to rally together to turn districts that rarely vote republican to vote Democrat.

I did skim over your article, sure its a bunch of cherypicked facts from a LGBTQ advocacy group. I'm sure a keep men out of womens sports group would equally be able to provide a compelling list of bullet point "facts".

Now protecting a vulnerable trans population I'm fine with and fully support ideas that can help that group.

Even if some areas flip from republican to democrat - its all going to flip back at some point. Then back the other way, etc.

 

[barfo]

I would recognize a couple of the names of some trans athletes that won as its been very controversial. So yeah thats a lot higher than the rate of 10/500,000 - you basically proved my point that some trans athletes have a very large unfair advantage.

Some non-trans athletes have a very large unfair advantage also. Shall we eliminate anyone who isn't average in athletic ability?

barfo

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I would recognize a couple of the names of some trans athletes that won as its been very controversial. So yeah thats a lot higher than the rate of 10/500,000 - you basically proved my point that some trans athletes have a very large unfair advantage.

Lol yes, people know trans athletes as household names. Because they win everything they compete in. You are right!

 

[julius]

"Numerous" as in 10 or less athletes in the NCAA that identify as Trans out of 500,000.

Surely if they are are dominating all the sports they would be household names right?

Brother, it is such a low population.

I've tried looking for how many trans athletes there are in high school sports and have not been able to find it. But in Portland there was one and they received so much harassment over it they are moving to Canada.

As I said earlier (and thank you for continuing to be a logical voice here and I'm not arguing against what you said just using your post as a jumping off point), the #'s and %'s are so small, I don't know how anyone can honestly say this is a legit issue for them. At least at the scale of making it a national issue or a voting issue for them.

While it's understandable for people to not understand trans, or hell, understandable to be unsure of how to respond when someone finds out there are trans people out there, if it's such an issue for people, they are the ones making it into one.

I am willing to bet the house I don't own that the # of people who are against trans athletes is 100X that of the # of trans athletes.

So for every 500,000 people that would be mean there are 1000 people with their heads up their asses...Or not even 0.002%


Which is ironically, the # I incorrectly stated earlier...trans athletes make up .000002%. Or 2 people per one hundred thousand people.

Where is the outrage over the % of NCAA athletes (men, usually) who are sexual predators? I'm willing to bet you @THE HCP 's left kidney the # and % of NCAA athletes who are sexual predators is significantly larger than the # and % of NCAA athletes that are trans.

What about the # and % of NCAA athletes that have been charged with a crime (hint: it's about 7%...also hint: 7% is a lot larger than 0.000002%).

This is simply finding a target (Trans/trans athletes) who are perceived to be an easy target, and reality be damned!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

As I said earlier (and thank you for continuing to be a logical voice here and I'm not arguing against what you said just using your post as a jumping off point), the #'s and %'s are so small, I don't know how anyone can honestly say this is a legit issue for them. At least at the scale of making it a national issue or a voting issue for them.

While it's understandable for people to not understand trans, or hell, understandable to be unsure of how to respond when someone finds out there are trans people out there, if it's such an issue for people, they are the ones making it into one.

I am willing to bet the house I don't own that the # of people who are against trans athletes is 100X that of the # of trans athletes.

So for every 500,000 people that would be mean there are 1000 people with their heads up their asses...Or not even 0.002%


Which is ironically, the # I incorrectly stated earlier...trans athletes make up .000002%. Or 2 people per one hundred thousand people.

Where is the outrage over the % of NCAA athletes (men, usually) who are sexual predators? I'm willing to bet you @THE HCP 's left kidney the # and % of NCAA athletes who are sexual predators is significantly larger than the # and % of NCAA athletes that are trans.

What about the # and % of NCAA athletes that have been charged with a crime (hint: it's about 7%...also hint: 7% is a lot larger than 0.000002%).

This is simply finding a target (Trans/trans athletes) who are perceived to be an easy target, and reality be damned!

The way some people make it sound, we would get to see these athletes dunking on cisgender women, throwing cisgender women on the mat in wrestling, spiking balls in cisgender womens faces in volleyball etc.

Instead, i've seen less than a handful of track and swimming athletes win some competitions.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

As I said earlier (and thank you for continuing to be a logical voice here and I'm not arguing against what you said just using your post as a jumping off point), the #'s and %'s are so small, I don't know how anyone can honestly say this is a legit issue for them. At least at the scale of making it a national issue or a voting issue for them.

While it's understandable for people to not understand trans, or hell, understandable to be unsure of how to respond when someone finds out there are trans people out there, if it's such an issue for people, they are the ones making it into one.

I am willing to bet the house I don't own that the # of people who are against trans athletes is 100X that of the # of trans athletes.

So for every 500,000 people that would be mean there are 1000 people with their heads up their asses...Or not even 0.002%


Which is ironically, the # I incorrectly stated earlier...trans athletes make up .000002%. Or 2 people per one hundred thousand people.

Where is the outrage over the % of NCAA athletes (men, usually) who are sexual predators? I'm willing to bet you @THE HCP 's left kidney the # and % of NCAA athletes who are sexual predators is significantly larger than the # and % of NCAA athletes that are trans.

What about the # and % of NCAA athletes that have been charged with a crime (hint: it's about 7%...also hint: 7% is a lot larger than 0.000002%).

This is simply finding a target (Trans/trans athletes) who are perceived to be an easy target, and reality be damned!

All politicians say they want to help kids, or help the environment, or create jobs, etc. There's differences in belief of the best policy implementations but theres not a difference in believe of what should be done for those groups.

Theres certainly far more sexual predators hurting people than trans causing harm to people. Nobody is saying the damage both groups do is similar, or at least I can't imagine anybody logical believing such.

Nobody supports sexual predators though, there might be large disagreements of how to best set policies to protect against that but nobody is saying to make rape legal or allow more sexual predators.

The trans in womens sports issue is politically relevant because you have some groups that are arguing for one specific policy and other groups that don't want that specific policy. That's why it is politically relevant.

 

[crandc]

This is flat false as numerous trans athletes in woman's sports have won high school and college competitions.

I didn't say they didn't win. I said unfair advantage. San Jose State volleyball team was mediocre with a teams woman and for two years no one cared. Then a teammate decided to go to right wing media about her own team because she's a Christian. All of a sudden this .500 volleyball team in a small conference was the country's biggest danger. Trump made m up lie opposing player almost killed by trans woman. She gets death threats.
The only one hurt was the trans athlete.

 

[crandc]

As soon as someone says "no men in women's sports" they show their true views,vehicle is erasing transgender people by, for example, calling transgender women " men".

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I didn't say they didn't win. I said unfair advantage. San Jose State volleyball team was mediocre with a teams woman and for two years no one cared. Then a teammate decided to go to right wing media about her own team because she's a Christian. All of a sudden this .500 volleyball team in a small conference was the country's biggest danger. Trump made m up lie opposing player almost killed by trans woman. She gets death threats.
The only one hurt was the trans athlete.

Interesting opinion on the story.

Many others have a vastly different opinion.

 

[crandc]

I'm sure others have different opinion. The ones who never watch women's sports but pretend to care. The ones looking to demonize trans people. The ones looking for a hot button political issue.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I am surprised to read its actually legal for trans athlete to compete at the pro level in womens sports in Texas, as a trans athlete fraudulently won worlds strongest womans competition a few months ago;

Transgender athlete 'was very dishonest', says world's strongest woman Andrea Thompson

A British athlete crowned world's strongest woman says she was "robbed" of her winning moment after it emerged the original champion was a transgender woman who was ineligible to compete.

www.bbc.com

"It appears that an athlete who is biologically male and who now identifies as female competed in the Women's Open category... officials were unaware of this fact ahead of the competition."

In 2023, Texas introduced a law prohibiting "biological men from competing against female athletes", although this only applies to college and university sport in the state."

"A World Athletics official has claimed that between 50 and 60 athletes who went through male puberty have been finalists in the female category in global and continental track and field championships since 2000."

 

[Phatguysrule]

This is flat false as numerous trans athletes in woman's sports have won high school and college competitions.

Anne Andres has also dominated Canadian women's powerlifting.