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[ehizzy3]

They had a boarded biological man who had no procedures and simply signed up saying he was breaking records in women's power lifting. Those records are standing in the record books.

If that's not proof I don't know what is.

I’m going to take it that you aren’t going to back up your claim that the sport has been ruined.

There are still women competing and breaking records. I hope one day you can make it to a competition and let those women know that their sport is a joke and a mockery.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I’m going to take it that you aren’t going to back up your claim that the sport has been ruined.

There are still women competing and breaking records. I hope one day you can make it to a competition and let those women know that their sport is a joke and a mockery.

I actually don't have time to do research right now as I'm driving.

But I honestly didn't expect that I would have to do research beyond proving that a lliteral biological and legal bearded man is holding records in those events for you to agree that it's a mockery. I'm sure most of the contestants would agree.

It seems that you would support Peyton Pritchard holding the record for most points in the WNBA game if he decided to show up and do so.

You must not have much affinity to women's sports if that is what you want for the future of women's sports. But I'll look into it and and get back to you later if that'll make you feel better.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The NCAA tests for testosterone levels on trans athletes. That would solve the Canadian Powerlifter situation.

Unfortunately there's far more than testosterone involved. Pretty sure Ann Andes had her testosterone tested and it was within the norms.

But she has skeletal and musculature advantages as well. Increased lung capacity. Increased heart capacity.

That's why she's able to destroy the records of biological females.

But if that's where the league or the sports governing body decided they wanted to make the line then I think it should be up to that league.

 

[ehizzy3]

I actually don't have time to do research right now as I'm driving.

But I honestly didn't expect that I would have to do research beyond proving that a lliteral biological and legal bearded man is holding records in those events for you to agree that to mockery.

That you would support Peyton Pritchard holding the record for most points in the WNBA game If he decided to show up and do so.

You must not have much affinity to women's sports if that is what you want for the future of women's sports. But I'll look into it and and get back to you later if that'll make you feel better

Get off your phone while driving.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Get off your phone while driving.

Got to do something when stopped in traffic...

And voice dictation makes it really easy... Though, I'm sure there are some weird typos...

 

[Phatguysrule]

I’m going to take it that you aren’t going to back up your claim that the sport has been ruined.

There are still women competing and breaking records. I hope one day you can make it to a competition and let those women know that their sport is a joke and a mockery.

I'm not seeing a whole lot about Canadian women's powerlifting, But the mockery that I was referring to was Avi Silverberg holds the Alberta Womens Bench Press record. here is a picture of him. He's not transitioned and has never intended to. But the rules allow him to compete in this division.

He did this as a stunt aimed at Anne Andes because the contestents in Canadian Women's Powerlifting didn't want this change.



That is making a mockery of the sport, IMO. And women's sports in general. Not the fact that he did it. The fact that it was even possible for him to do it.

But this is what happens when you let politicians set policy for these competitions.

Or you get the opposite extreme like Trump did here in the US. Which I'm opposed to.

But while I was looking for that, it turns out that the world's strongest woman contest had a similar issue as of a couple months ago.

I don't appreciate, condone, or agree with any of the derogatory language or comments that have been made about the trans community in these links. And that's frankly why I didn't share more of them a couple years ago when I was reading about Canadian women's powerlifting.



It seems strange that if there are no advantages that you'd see this much success from so few people.

That's my concern. The competition. Classifications in a competitive competition should not rely on feelings or intentions. It should not be based on gender at all. It should be crystal clear and determined by the league or event.

I think we should allow the leagues to make the determination. And Congress should only be able to protect the right of the leagues to do it the right way (whatever that is determined to be).

I care about the trans community. I want them to be able to be involved. And if they were assigned female at birth they are more than welcome to compete against girls (assuming the treatments don't show up as PEDs or something).

I don't think this is a good issue for Democrats. I think trying to hold this hill will cost them a LOT of potential support.

 

[Phatguysrule]

This you?


Show me proof that it has destroyed any semblance of competition in the sport.

You make the claim that the sport is destroyed and set back, you provide the proof. That is the way you have been posting in the OT section for years, is it not?

So reading up on what I said, I specified that setting up rules in which trans women are allowed to dominate a sport the way Anne Andres dominated those women's power lifting events will cause more harm for everyone (including the trans movement) than good.

You may not have liked the way that I said it, but I was actually very specific in that I was referring to the Ann Andres and resulting bearded man holding Canadian women's records as the setback and mockery of the sport.

If you want to try to change that as to me saying something other than that that's on you.

If that's where you want women's sports going then I would assume that you don't have much experience in women's sports.

Please correct me if I'm wrong?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Clearly.

So when somebody's having a conversation in good faith and you start throwing around derogatory claims and insults you should probably not be surprised when people don't take you seriously and disengage from the conversation with using dismissive or sarcastic remarks.

I don't know if you do that deliberately because you aren't mature enough to deal with an uncomfortable conversation and you would prefer to just derail it rather than see it through to its conclusion, but it is a disappointing habit to see in somebody with your obvious intellect.

I would welcome you and happily engaged with you in any future conversation as long as you can do so in a mature manner.

I hope I've made myself clear without this coming across as too much of an attack. It's not intended as one.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't see much point continuing this thread which five pages ago lost any connection to governor's race. At any rate I am out. Trying to argue with people who persistently misgender is unproductive.

Who is persistently misgendering? I've taken pains to make sure that I'm not doing so. If you see someplace where I have done so by mistake I would love to correct it.

 

[ehizzy3]

So reading up on what I said, I specified that setting up rules in which trans women are allowed to dominate a sport the way Anne Andres dominated those women's power lifting events will cause more harm for everyone (including the trans movement) than good.

You may not have liked the way that I said it, but I was actually very specific and that I was referring to the Ann Andres and resulting bearded man holding Canadian women's records as the setback and mockery of the sport.

If you want to try to change that as to me saying something other than that that's on you.

If that's where you want women's sports going then I would assume that you don't have much experience in women's sports.

Please correct me if I'm wrong?

You claimed the whole sport of women Canadian powerlifting was ruined, set back, and a joke. I pushed back on the notion that the sport has been ruined and asked for evidence.

From my research there is still plenty of competition and found nothing to show me that the sport has been ruined. I will await the evidence, but I can see you did the research and could not come to that conclusion as well.

Three times you have tried to paint me into a box for challenging your opinion. I haven’t added my opinion into this conversation except that I don’t see where the sport has been ruined.

Implying that I don’t like women sports for pushing back is very disappointing.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You claimed the whole sport of women Canadian powerlifting was ruined, set back, and a joke. I pushed back on the notion that the sport has been ruined and asked for evidence.

From my research there is still plenty of competition and found nothing to show me that the sport has been ruined. I will await the evidence, but I can see you did the research and could not come to that conclusion as well.

Three times you have tried to paint me into a box for challenging your opinion. I haven’t added my opinion into this conversation except that I don’t see where the sport has been ruined.

Implying that I don’t like women sports for pushing back is very disappointing.

Once again you are trying to associate an implication in my position that isn't present in my post.

I didn't imply that you don't like women's sports. I made the assumption that you don't have much experience with women's sports. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd love to have a good faith conversation as opposed to slinging backhanded attacks.

I was very clear about my opinion on what has happened in Canadian women's power lifting. Which I brought up because examples were specifically asked for.

I further provided more recent evidence of a trans woman winning the world's strongest woman contest. Which seems impossibly unlikely if there is no advantage over those assigned female at birth for the incredibly small number of trans women.

My opinion is that people who were assigned female at birth cannot compete with people who were assigned male at birth in many activities, regardless of what therapies are taken. And that politicians should not decide overall, or at a sport, league, or event level.

I believe the only thing politicians should engage in is protecting the rights of those sports, leagues, and events to make restrictions based on assignment at birth unless a preponderance of evidence shows another way is as effective and/or less invasive.

I have restated my stance multiple times as you have asked for clarification.

Yet you still seem to want to imply something that I didn't say and have specifically said was not my intention.

This is leading me to believe that you aren't having a conversation in good faith. If you would like to discuss the points that I have actually brought up and the clarifications that I've actually made upon your request then I am happy to continue to discuss this with you.

If you just want to keep derailing the conversation with gotchas then I don't see what the point is. If you have a point I would appreciate you making it. I feel I've been exceedingly clear on my point.

If you can't engage in a conversation with somebody you disagree with without trying to demonize them it shows a level of immaturity that we've seen pretty frequently (and in this very thread).

I would suggest that this attitude drives a lot more undecided people away from positions you may be advocating for than it brings in.

 

[crandc]

Who is persistently misgendering? I've taken pains to make sure that I'm not doing so. If you see someplace where I have done so by mistake I would love to correct it.

Who is persistently misgendering? I've taken pains to make sure that I'm not doing so. If you see someplace where I have done so by mistake I would love to correct it.

I don't recall you doing so but others have repeatedly called transgender women "biological men".

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't recall you doing so but others have repeatedly called transgender women "biological men".

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Yes, that bothers me as well, particularly when I see people do it deliberately and with malicious intent.

In this case there was an actual cisgender male who took advantage of the rules to win some women's divisions and set women's records. So it did get kind of confusing typing out.

I do apologize if I ever make such a mistake. This isn't something I discuss frequently and I don't put it past myself to misspeak sometimes. I do make an effort to go back and correct it if I catch myself doing that.

So please feel free to call me out if you see me making that mistake because I would prefer to make the correction as early as possible. I won't take offense.

I also know this is off topic, but I had people asking me specifically about it and so I replied to them. I didn't want it to be said that I was making claims off the cuff with malicious intent. That's the furthest thing from my intention.

 

[SlyPokerDog]