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Nate said:
Does he have something against portland? Seems like a pretty good chance to win, and make a lot of money.
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This where it started (with respect to Whiteside choosing Portland)
Natebishop3 said:
Just so I'm clear..... are we arguing about whether Portland is an attractive destination for NBA players?
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So, I splained why not.
 
Not only that, but the Blazers looked like one of the better Western playoff teams at that point.
 
Portland does not have a reputation for having a strong black community. When, for all intents and purposes, a local white kid doesn't even pick Portland..... well...... that's not a good sign.

AND we had the better team at the time..... AND he would have fit Stotts' system perfectly.
 
Nikolokolus said:
So go ahead enlighten me. Why are the Blazers suddenly a destination for marquee free agents after 45 years?
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Interesting question, actually. Where is a "destination" for marquee free agents?

Not LAL. Not Boston. Chicago, mayyyyybe?!?!?

Maybe, there is no such thing any more?

And, if everyone's special, then no one is!
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Interesting question, actually. Where is a "destination" for marquee free agents?

Not LAL. Not Boston. Chicago, mayyyyybe?!?!?

Maybe, there is no such thing any more?

And, if everyone's special, then no one is!
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I'm willing to bet LA has a decent shot at Durant this summer, especially if they get Simmons.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Interesting question, actually. Where is a "destination" for marquee free agents?

Not LAL. Not Boston. Chicago, mayyyyybe?!?!?

Maybe, there is no such thing any more?

And, if everyone's special, then no one is!
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There's always a certain amount of benefit of the doubt for warm weather markets, with low state taxes and/or teams on the cusp of being a contender or who already are.

Texas and Florida stands out, and I wouldn't count out the Lakers for long.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm willing to bet LA has a decent shot at Durant this summer, especially if they get Simmons.
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Interesting. LAL fans have pointed out that they haven't signed a signed a significant FA in a very long time (yes, they're salty). The conventional wisdom now appears to be that players don't have to sign in LA to live in LA. Like LMA, they'll just buy a house there and visit when they want.
 
It's always going to be difficult for us to sign top tier free agents. If there wasn't a salary cap, I'm willing to bet Paul would go nuts, but there is..... so his wealth has been diminished as a factor.
 
The state tax thing is always blown out of proportion because these guys have to pay taxes on the income made in the states they play in. So a Lakers player pays tax on income made playing against the blazers at the moda
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Interesting. LAL fans have pointed out that they haven't signed a signed a significant FA in a very long time (yes, they're salty). The conventional wisdom now appears to be that players don't have to sign in LA to live in LA. Like LMA, they'll just buy a house there and visit when they want.
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I think a lot of that was Kobe being a piece of work, and on the cusp of retirement. If they can clear enough space to sign two marquee players AND draft someone like Simmons, I suspect they'll be back on top.
 
Nikolokolus said:
In what way? The NBA has max contracts, so he'd make the same here as anywhere else. Compounding the problem: The Blazers are sub .500, a tiny market with dreary winters, very few marketing opportunties and you'll play half your games when half the country is already asleep.

But other than that ...
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I'd say the Midwest an Eastern Seaboard have Oregon beat for dreary winters
 
JFizzleRaider said:
The state tax thing is always blown out of proportion because these guys have to pay taxes on the income made in the states they play in. So a Lakers player pays tax on income made playing against the blazers at the moda
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But not on the endorsement deals they get.
 
Nikolokolus said:
There's always a certain amount of benefit of the doubt for warm weather markets, with low state taxes and/or teams on the cusp of being a contender or who already are.

Texas and Florida stands out, and I wouldn't count out the Lakers for long.
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The Texas and Florida teams have an advantage, no doubt. Enough to not even consider PDX? IDK. I have gone on record as saying Minny will never win a championship, just for the reasons you suggest (but that was before the crazy Love trade and the drafting of Towns).
 
Nikolokolus said:
But not on the endorsement deals they get.
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Again that is also blown out of proportion. It would be taxed to whatever their residence is. Just make your residence texas. You don't have to play for a texas team to make you residence texas.
 
riverman said:
I'd say the Midwest an Eastern Seaboard have Oregon beat for dreary winters
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That still doesn't let Portland off the hook as a generally unattractive free agency landing spot. Sure there are always multiple factors at play, but being small, extremely white, and tucked away in the far reaches of the country all make it tougher to sell playing here for the big name guys that can basically pick and choose where they want to go. We'll always have a shot at some of the sloppy seconds, but that's not what's being discussed here.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Just so I'm clear..... are we arguing about whether Portland is an attractive destination for NBA players?
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Not at all, I'm just not going to entertain half baked "arguments". He clearly didn't (and probably has yet to) look at his argument through an objective lens before he posted it. It's not my job to hold your hand, and help you realize why your argument had no substance. Especially about hassan whiteside of all people... you act like I was talking about lebron james.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Again that is also blown out of proportion. It would be taxed to whatever their residence is. Just make your residence texas. You don't have to play for a texas team to make you residence texas.
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I'll defer to you then because I'm not an interstate tax expert. Let's say for the sake of argument that this isn't a factor at all, there's still multiple reasons why Portland is in the second and third tier.
 
Nate said:
Not at all, I'm just not going to entertain half baked "arguments". He clearly didn't (and probably has yet to) look at his argument through an objective lens before he posted it. It's not my job to hold your hand, and help you realize why your argument had no substance. Especially about hassan whiteside of all people... you act like I was talking about lebron james.
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I think you're underestimating how much money he's going to get this summer. Most of the top free agents are restricted, and practically every team will have cap space burning a hole in their pockets. Whiteside is going to get maxed, and I suspect there will be a significant courting process, not unlike what happened with LMA. It's not often that a 26 year old center of his caliber is an unrestricted free agent.
 
Nate said:
Not at all, I'm just not going to entertain half baked "arguments". He clearly didn't (and probably has yet to) look at his argument through an objective lens before he posted it. It's not my job to hold your hand, and help you realize why your argument had no substance. Especially about hassan whiteside of all people... you act like I was talking about lebron james.
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Spare me your sanctimonious bullshit. You didn't address what I said directly because you probably lack the mental acuity.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think you're underestimating how much money he's going to get this summer. Most of the top free agents are restricted, and practically every team will have cap space burning a hole in their pockets. Whiteside is going to get maxed, and I suspect there will be a significant courting process, not unlike what happened with LMA. It's not often that a 26 year old center of his caliber is an unrestricted free agent.
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I'm not underestimating anything. I just recognize a horrible argument when I see one. And his argument.... was horrible.
 
Nate said:
I'm not underestimating anything. I just recognize a horrible argument when I see one. And his argument.... was horrible.
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How so? He has history on his side. When was the last time we signed a marquee free agent while competing head to head against other teams?

Nik said the following:

Nikolokolus said:
In what way? The NBA has max contracts, so he'd make the same here as anywhere else. Compounding the problem: The Blazers are sub .500, a tiny market with dreary winters, very few marketing opportunties and you'll play half your games when half the country is already asleep.

But other than that ...
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Point #1 He'd make the same here as anywhere else - this is true. Portland can't offer any more money than a lot of other teams this summer, and if you count local endorsements, it might be less.

Point #2 The Blazers are sub .500 - this is also true. Right now we're not even in the playoff picture, so it's not like we can offer a chance to play on a contender.

Point #3 Tiny market - According to this website, we are the 22nd ranked television market. 18 of those 21 cities above us have NBA teams.
http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

Point #4 Dreary weather - This is also true. According to this list of cities, Portland has 164 days of rain per year. The only cities with more on this list are Buffalo, NY and Rochester, NY.
https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/US/average-annual-precipitation-by-city.php

Point #5 Few marketing opportunities - this is in regards to local endorsements, not something like Adidas. I guess you can count that one Wilsonville Toyota commercial........ or Standard TV and Appliance, but are you going to compare local endorsements to a place like NY or LA?

Point #6 - Half your games when the rest of the country is asleep - this is a point that's constantly brought up by the media.... Hell, Stephen A Smith was lamenting the fact that Oden and Durant were both going to be banished to the NBA version of Sibera.
 
Chandler Parsons is probably the best we can hope for this offseason in signing a guy to the team through free agencym. Just hope really hard lillard and him because as good of buddies as it was alluded to during team USA tryouts
 
Interesting points but I'd throw in that teams over the luxury tax that are strapped re-signing multiple max contract guys in fact do not have as much money to spend as the Blazers.
 
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