Earth First!!!!!

[Denny Crane]

Ding ding ding! Cellulose and plant parts! All which contain carbon right?

Virtually every organic compound contains carbon.

 

[magnifier661]

Over 99% of the world's old growth has been logged, 80% of it in the last century. Not one single tree will ever be replaced.

Each day their are less old trees and soon there will ony be photos for reference.

Bottom line, old trees provide homes, food, protection, flood control, erosion control, hunting grounds, and symbiotic relationships which are unavailable anywhere else on the planet. Species of flora and fauna are going extinct by the tens of thousands as the world's last few virgin forests fall to the axe.

Erosion can be controlled by smaller plants FYI.

And yes years ago they weren't replaced but now they are

 

[magnifier661]

Virtually every organic compound contains carbon.

Yes they do

 

[magnifier661]

So let's get back to the topic. Older wood doesn't grow as fast, hence doesn't take in as much carbon as, let's say, a 5 year old tree still vigorously growing. So the younger tree creates more oxygen

 

[porkchopexpress]

Erosion can be controlled by smaller plants FYI.

And yes years ago they weren't replaced but now they are

Tell that to the Amazon

 

[magnifier661]

Tell that to the Amazon

Did you know all the oxygen created in the amazon stays in the amazon?

 

[ABM]

They're trying to get in touch with nature. Nothing wrong with that.

Bark, bark...

 

[porkchopexpress]

Did you know all the oxygen created in the amazon stays in the amazon?

But as Maris pointed out, old growth does a whole lot more than provide oxygen. It's true in the Amazon and its true in the Red Woods or anywhere else. Obviously there has to be some logging. I'm not that obtuse. But claiming that cutting down old trees and replacing them with a new one will somehow improve the world is silly.

 

[MARIS61]

Erosion can be controlled by smaller plants FYI.

And yes years ago they weren't replaced but now they are

No it can't.

And no they aren't.

No logged old growth tree has ever been replaced.

 

[magnifier661]

No it can't.

And no they aren't.

No logged old growth tree has ever been replaced.

http://www.abag.ca.gov/bayarea/enviro/erosion/eyoudo.html

Small plants can definitely control erosion

 

[MARIS61]

http://www.abag.ca.gov/bayarea/enviro/erosion/eyoudo.html

Small plants can definitely control erosion

Your link does not support your contention, nor does it address the issue of erosion where old growth has been removed. It speaks of expensive and laborious man-made bandaid solutions for your yard.

 

[Denny Crane]

There's an old growth in La Pine.

 

[MARIS61]

There are more small plants in the amazon jungle than anywhere else on earth and it is eroding faster than anywhere else due to old growth logging.

 

[magnifier661]

Your link does not support your contention, nor does it address the issue of erosion where old growth has been removed. It speaks of expensive and laborious man-made bandaid solutions for your yard.

It's simple. Beneficial bacteria creates humus as it decompose organic matter. That creates aeration for soil; which promotes new growth. The new growth generates more root systems that hold the soil together. A tree, on the other hand, grows and slows way down. It creates too much shade for smaller plants to grow; therefor all the stability is being supported by that tree.

The moment the tree dies, that entire area can be effected and needs thousands of years to fully decompose naturally.

Did you know fire is good for the forest?

 

[MARIS61]

There's an old growth in La Pine.

World's largest ponderosa pine. Nice picnic spot by the river. We often walk the dogs on trails there.

Huge sucker by today's standards. 70 years ago most of Beautiful Central Oregon was covered with them, many bigger than this one. Visit the Tillamook State Forest, where stumps 15' across make the biggest live trees seem like blades of tall grass.

 

[Denny Crane]

World's largest ponderosa pine. Nice picnic spot by the river. We often walk the dogs on trails there.

Huge sucker by today's standards. 70 years ago most of Beautiful Central Oregon was covered with them, many bigger than this one. Visit the Tillamook State Forest, where stumps 15' across make the biggest live trees seem like blades of tall grass.

That wasn't the old growth I was referring to.

 

[ABM]

No it can't.

And no they aren't.

No logged old growth tree has ever been replaced.

New growth will eventually become old growth. Life goes on.............

 

[MARIS61]

Logging also destroys the soil by robbing it of it's main sourcd of nutrients, decaying trees. Logged areas are quickly over run by invasive weeds and entire species of plants and critters die off.

The mere existence of clean drinking water depends on the health of our forests.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Old trees are of the devil.

It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Leaf.

 

[magnifier661]

Logging also destroys the soil by robbing it of it's main sourcd of nutrients, decaying trees. Logged areas are quickly over run by invasive weeds and entire species of plants and critters die off.

The mere existence of clean drinking water depends on the health of our forests.

That's not true. In fact old growth canopy prohibits growth of smaller plants. Plants eaten by the local animals.

I told you about fires. A fire not only burns off canopies, but it stimulates growth of plants that cannot grow under a old growth canopy. Also there are some animals that cannot survive eating from a tree. In fact, they move to "pasture areas" that have marshes or other plants they can eat.

 

[ABM]

Old trees are of the devil.

It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Leaf.

Amen! Although, it's also about good stewardship, as well.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That's not true. In fact old growth canopy prohibits growth of smaller plants. Plants eaten by the local animals.

I told you about fires. A fire not only burns off canopies, but it stimulates growth of plants that cannot grow under a old growth canopy. Also there are some animals that cannot survive eating from a tree. In fact, they move to "pasture areas" that have marshes or other plants they can eat.

Small plants do grow under large trees.

 

[MARIS61]

New growth will eventually become old growth. Life goes on.............

Never has happened since logging began in America, never will.

All replanted rees are cut when they are a desired size for efficient logging. They are not replanted with the intent of allowing them to grow for 500 to 5000 years.

 

[MARIS61]

That wasn't the old growth I was referring to.

Man, I walked right into that one.

Probably why I like old trees. They make me feel young by comparison.

 

[magnifier661]

Admit it Maris!!!! You were one of the peeps in the video!

 

[ABM]

Never has happened since logging began in America, never will.

All replanted rees are cut when they are a desired size for efficient logging. They are not replanted with the intent of allowing them to grow for 500 to 5000 years.

A better job could be done in that regard, for sure.

 

[ABM]

Man, I walked right into that one.

Not to mention, a huge sucker by today's standards.

 

[MARIS61]

Admit it Maris!!!! You were one of the peeps in the video!

No. I'm a tree hugger for sure and don't support ANY logging of old growth, but I love wood products a d wood heat and fully support the idea of sustainable logging by private companies on private land without tax subsidies. Free market timber, so to speak.

I don't support Earth First's tree-spiking or other violent acts but respect their non-violent protests and tree sit-ins.

 

[Denny Crane]

The aliens conspired with our government to beam up our trees to be sent to the planet tralfamador!

Right Maris?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

The aliens conspired with our government to beam up our trees to be sent to the planet tralfamador!

Right Maris?

LMFAO repped

have to spread around