Eddy Curry

[Mr. J]

A few of my sources have been telling me Eddy Curry is in great shape and has been working out all summer with Tim Grover, Michael Jordan's trainer. Hopefully we see a different Curry this season.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

I've heard the same thing. It's a nice sign but he's still a dumb player which will always hold him back. Not to mention Isiah wants to implement a run and gun style and is going to give Marbury free reign to do whatever he wants. So dont expect much from him...I'm depressed....


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

[KnickFreak]

Running and gunning might not be suited to Curry but he will be valuable in half court sets and if he focuses on rebounding. Curry needs to have double digit boards and points, improve his passing and cut down turnovers. If he does that, then I don't care about how smart or dumb he might be. For his sake and the team he better step up this year.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KnickFreak:</div><div class="quote_post">Running and gunning might not be suited to Curry but he will be valuable in half court sets and if he focuses on rebounding. Curry needs to have double digit boards and points, improve his passing and cut down turnovers. If he does that, then I don't care about how smart or dumb he might be. For his sake and the team he better step up this year.</div>

You might not care about how dumb or smart he is but that directly affects his passing ability and turnovers so you should care. Curry simply isnt a good rebounder. I dont know what his deal is but he just doesnt rebound the ball. In my opinion Curry has gotten as good as he's going to get and if the Knicks are going to be relying on him heavily to improve then their in bigger trouble than I thought.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

[tinyballer]

If eddy curry is in good shape then you guys have yourselves the guy that can dominate in half court sets while your guards are able to gun it. Eddy curry shoul have no problem giving you guys 20/10 every game next year if he is indeed in good shape and Isiah might not look that bad as the coach.

 

[Custodianrules2]

...and Curry wanted a Max contract. I swear guys like Kmart, Dampier and Curry shouldn't be trusted.

 

[The One & Only]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">...and Curry wanted a Max contract. I swear guys like Kmart, Dampier and Curry shouldn't be trusted.</div>

Not trusted? How about not even signed.....

 

[Custodianrules2]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">Not trusted? How about not even signed.....</div>

That's what I meant

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tinyballer:</div><div class="quote_post">If eddy curry is in good shape then you guys have yourselves the guy that can dominate in half court sets while your guards are able to gun it. Eddy curry shoul have no problem giving you guys 20/10 every game next year if he is indeed in good shape and Isiah might not look that bad as the coach.</div>

I seriously hope your kidding about the 20/10 thing. Eddy Curry came in great shape in his contract year with the Bulls and averaged something like 16/5. That was with the Bulls making him their primary option. How many points do you think he's going to score Isiah lets Marbury, Francis, Crawford and Nate Robinson do their own thing?


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

[Moo2K4]

I don't see Curry being a huge part this year if you're implementing a run and gun style. It's simply not him. He needs halfcourt sets to be fully successful. Personally, I wouldn't expect much more than 15/6 out of him this year with all other guys you have on your team that can score the ball. I don't how good of shape he's in either. It doesn't matter how good of shape you come in to training camp in, if you're not going to put forth any effort on the court, it's not going to pay off. He has proven time and again that he's not always the most motivated player in the world on the court, and he tends to become invisible when the game is on the line. So, even though he's coming in in great shape, don't count on him for much more than 15/6 or so.

 

[Custodianrules2]

An inside player, regardless of position, will only be effective if he can avoid turnovers in the post and get other guys involved in the play if there's no play at the basket. i.e. in a double team situation, he must be a playmaker and a good passer out of low block. So H20 had some comments right off the bat in what makes Curry a bit of liability on offense. He's such a blackhole.

The other thing is he lacks all the qualities a real center has in protecting the paint defensively. He doesn't clean up the glass or work that hard on defense or screen setting or the little things.

 

[nv793]

Eddy Curry is a good player and the reason he didn't play as people expected him to in the previous year was beacause of his health problems. and he should be better this year.

 

[bbwAce]

I sure hope Curry is in shape. I always thought he'd be a beast in the league if he played to his potential. If your sources are accurate, MrJ, hopefully Curry can stay out of foul trouble and give the Knicks 17/9/2 a night.

 

[Moo2K4]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nv793:</div><div class="quote_post">Eddy Curry is a good player and the reason he didn't play as people expected him to in the previous year was beacause of his health problems. and he should be better this year.</div>Curry's health issues were behind him by the beginning of the season, otherwise I don't think he'd have gotten paid as much with as long of an offer. The reason he didn't plkay as well as you may want is because that's just who he is. He's an underachiever. Until he gets some type of work ethic during the regular season, that's all he'll ever be.

Beyond that, Silva, I don't see him being a 17/9/2 guy this year, or any day soon. He's never been able to stay out of foul trouble, therefore killing his minutes. Just look at his career stats...hasn't had a season averaging less than 3.2 fouls per game since his second year when he averaged 2.8 in only 19mpg.

Also, even if he stays out of foul trouble, no way does his rebounds jump that high. He barely averaged 11 per 48 minutes, which by no means is that good. Most people who are good rebounders get there double figure rebounds in under 40 minutes. He barely breaks double figures in his 48minute average. He's not going to averaging anywhere near 10 anytime soon. He's just not a good enough rebounder. He doesn't have the instincts. He doesn't get in good position. He's, to put it bluntly, a horrible rebounder for someone his size.

And that 2...be it blocks or assists, won't be reached next year either. He's never managed to average an assist per game in his career, with his career high being .8, and he's only 1bpg once his in his career. So...you should be hoping for at most, 1bpg. Again, like his rebounding, he doens't have the instincts for it, he's not a good shot blocker to begin with, and overall, a pretty poor defender.

If I were you Knicks fans....I wouldn't be wanting much more than 15/6/1, cause otherwise, you might come out of the season utterly disappointed.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">Curry's health issues were behind him by the beginning of the season, otherwise I don't think he'd have gotten paid as much with as long of an offer. The reason he didn't plkay as well as you may want is because that's just who he is. He's an underachiever. Until he gets some type of work ethic during the regular season, that's all he'll ever be.</div>
Curry's health issues weren't exactly behind him. He got paid because Isiah likes him. I don't think I need to explain that one. Because of the heart conditions, Curry was advised not to do any serious basketball work and needless to say, he came into camp out of shape and rusty. This isn't anyone's fault and doesn't say anything about his work ethic either. In addition, with Brown destroying every shred of Curry's confidence, he struggled. I know criticism is a part of the game and is how players improve, but Brown was pretty excessive with his criticism. If Curry is taking out the time and making a strong effort to come into camp in shape, I think he isn't as lazy as people make him out to be. It's not like this is a contract year either, Curry is already guaranteed a large sum of money. Maybe Curry is finally turning over a new leaf and starting to step up.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting :</div><div class="quote_post">Also, even if he stays out of foul trouble, no way does his rebounds jump that high. He barely averaged 11 per 48 minutes, which by no means is that good. Most people who are good rebounders get there double figure rebounds in under 40 minutes. He barely breaks double figures in his 48minute average. He's not going to averaging anywhere near 10 anytime soon. He's just not a good enough rebounder. He doesn't have the instincts. He doesn't get in good position. He's, to put it bluntly, a horrible rebounder for someone his size.</div>
Well, Curry will be coming into shape this training camp, something he has only do once, I believe. And he put up something like 16/5. Let me address the rebounds. Playing next to Chandler, who had a breakout year and averaged about 10 rebounds in 27 minutes, Curry's rebounding wasn't really needed and obviously his rebounding numbers didn't look desirable. This is not to say Curry isn't a below average rebounder, because he is. However, that number is lower than what it should have been. The Bulls were a top rebounding team with Chandler and Davis, so looking at his indiviual numbers will be deceiving.

As for stats, I'm not going to sit here and project Curry's stats because honestly I don't have the slightest idea. But I do remember Mark Aguirre saying something like Curry lacked basic skills such as boxing out, and how to use his body. Aguirre continued saying once he learns those things Curry will be a dominant player. And who better to teach him those things than Aguirre, one of the best post players to ever play the game?

You also have to remember Isiah is coaching this team instead of Larry Brown. It was confusing for EVERY player on the court when Brown was coaching. Players struggled getting used to each other with the 42 different starting lineups. Although Curry always started when he was healthy, he couldn't adjust to any of his teammates and that's important when playing basketball. Isiah's new system will revolve around Curry and give him good looks. He said this is the same system that made Jermaine O'Neal and Brad Miller all-stars.

To put it all together, there were tons of things affecting Curry's play last year and this season will be pivotal. This will be the true measure of whether the trade was fair. So far it's looking to be in favor of the Bulls, but we'll just have to see what happens next year. I'm not saying Curry will be good nor am I saying he'll be bad. I'm saying let's wait and see.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Curry's health issues weren't exactly behind him. He got paid because Isiah likes him. I don't think I need to explain that one. Because of the heart conditions, Curry was advised not to do any serious basketball work and needless to say, he came into camp out of shape and rusty. This isn't anyone's fault and doesn't say anything about his work ethic either. In addition, with Brown destroying every shred of Curry's confidence, he struggled. I know criticism is a part of the game and is how players improve, but Brown was pretty excessive with his criticism. If Curry is taking out the time and making a strong effort to come into camp in shape, I think he isn't as lazy as people make him out to be. It's not like this is a contract year either, Curry is already guaranteed a large sum of money. Maybe Curry is finally turning over a new leaf and starting to step up.</div>

Curry for his entire career has been a lazy bum. So he shouldnt be given the benefit of the doubt until he shows that he deserves it. I think we can both agree on that. As for the confidence thing...if it affected his play that much, which is unlikely since this past season wasnt too different from his previous season, then he should be traded. No need to have overweight and oversensitive chumps on the team.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Curry will be coming into shape this training camp, something he has only do once, I believe. And he put up something like 16/5. Let me address the rebounds. Playing next to Chandler, who had a breakout year and averaged about 10 rebounds in 27 minutes, Curry's rebounding wasn't really needed and obviously his rebounding numbers didn't look desirable. This is not to say Curry isn't a below average rebounder, because he is. However, that number is lower than what it should have been. The Bulls were a top rebounding team with Chandler and Davis, so looking at his indiviual numbers will be deceiving.</div>

Stop saying Curry's poor rebounding is due to Chandler stealing all the rebounds. Curry and Chandler barely played together that year. Curry started alongside Antonio Davis and Chandler came off the bench(Chandler was a candidate for sixth man of the year I believe). Curry left the floor as Chandler entered. They hardly spent any significiant time on the court together. Besides he was soft on the boards this past season. He's a poor rebounder. Period.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">As for stats, I'm not going to sit here and project Curry's stats because honestly I don't have the slightest idea. But I do remember Mark Aguirre saying something like Curry lacked basic skills such as boxing out, and how to use his body. Aguirre continued saying once he learns those things Curry will be a dominant player. And who better to teach him those things than Aguirre, one of the best post players to ever play the game?</div>

Do you know why Curry lacks such basic skills? It's because he's an idiot(basketballwise at least, I dont know him personally but I wouldnt be surprised if he was an idiot off the court too)!!! You just brought up Chandler's exceptional rebounding and used it to try to explain away Curry's poor rebounding but did you forget that they played on the same team and had the same coaches? Dont you ever wonder why Chandler learned how to rebound and Curry didnt? It's because he has little to no basketball IQ and almost zero feel for the game and it shows in everything he does not just rebounding.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">You also have to remember Isiah is coaching this team instead of Larry Brown. It was confusing for EVERY player on the court when Brown was coaching. Players struggled getting used to each other with the 42 different starting lineups. Although Curry always started when he was healthy, he couldn't adjust to any of his teammates and that's important when playing basketball. Isiah's new system will revolve around Curry and give him good looks. He said this is the same system that made Jermaine O'Neal and Brad Miller all-stars.

To put it all together, there were tons of things affecting Curry's play last year and this season will be pivotal. This will be the true measure of whether the trade was fair. So far it's looking to be in favor of the Bulls, but we'll just have to see what happens next year. I'm not saying Curry will be good nor am I saying he'll be bad. I'm saying let's wait and see.</div>

The fact that Isiah Thomas is coaching this team doesnt bode well for Curry either. Larry Brown constantly made it clear to his trigger happy guards that he wanted Curry to get alot of touches. Now with Isiah running the show the only way Curry will see that ball is if he steals it(yeah right!), blocks it(fat chance!) or rebounds it(insert own comment here!). I dont know anything about Isiah making Jermaine O'neal and Brad Miller all-stars although I'm pretty sure Vlade Divac had something to do with the latter. But what I do know is that with Isiah at the helm the Pacers underachieved horribly.

Forget about measuring whether or not the trade was fair because it is looking like a disaster which is funny because I seem to recall someone saying that the trade would be an "unmitigated disaster" before it happened. The Bulls wouldnt have been able to sign Ben Wallace if they had been paying Curry's contract, they wouldnt have landed Tyrus Thomas and their mouths wouldnt be watering at the prospect of seeing Greg Oden wear a Bulls uniform next year. You're not saying Curry will be good or bad? Fine. I'll say it for you. Curry will have another underachieving season. Curry will give this team 15/6 and absolutely nothing else on the stat sheet or in terms of intangibles. You can decide whether or not that's good or bad. The Bulls have already won the trade now it's just a matter of how embarassing will it be. Trading Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler embarassing or letting Shaq walk away for nothing embarassing?


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Curry for his entire career has been a lazy bum. So he shouldnt be given the benefit of the doubt until he shows that he deserves it. I think we can both agree on that. As for the confidence thing...if it affected his play that much, which is unlikely since this past season wasnt too different from his previous season, then he should be traded. No need to have overweight and oversensitive chumps on the team.</div>
Well, this isn’t a contract year. Curry is making something like 8 million this year guaranteed, so obviously money isn’t the reason why Curry took the initiative to work hard on his game and get into great shape. All NBA basketball players will admit their game makes improves significantly during the offseason. Curry didn’t have one last year, so that’s why he came into camp out of shape and rusty. Well, after a subpar season and the Bulls having a number of our draft picks, I want to give Curry a fair chance in a Knick uniform.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Stop saying Curry's poor rebounding is due to Chandler stealing all the rebounds. Curry and Chandler barely played together that year. Curry started alongside Antonio Davis and Chandler came off the bench(Chandler was a candidate for sixth man of the year I believe). Curry left the floor as Chandler entered. They hardly spent any significiant time on the court together. Besides he was soft on the boards this past season. He's a poor rebounder. Period.</div>
They didn’t barely play together. Curry might have started alongside Antonio Davis (also a good rebounder), but that doesn’t mean they barely played together. They were teammates, of course they shared the floor for significant minutes. I didn’t say Curry’s poor rebounding is because Chandler was snatching all the rebounds. In fact, I believe I said: "This is not to say Curry isn't a below average rebounder, because he is." I said because the Bulls were a top rebounding team that year, Curry’s rebounds per game were lower.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Do you know why Curry lacks such basic skills? It's because he's an idiot(basketballwise at least, I dont know him personally but I wouldnt be surprised if he was an idiot off the court too)!!! You just brought up Chandler's exceptional rebounding and used it to try to explain away Curry's poor rebounding but did you forget that they played on the same team and had the same coaches? Dont you ever wonder why Chandler learned how to rebound and Curry didnt? It's because he has little to no basketball IQ and almost zero feel for the game and it shows in everything he does not just rebounding.</div>
Yes, Curry does have a low basketball IQ. I don’t remember saying he had a high IQ. I did say Aguirre is working with him on some of the fundamentals. Whether he’ll be successful or not is anyone’s guess. We can all speculate, but we’ll just have to see when the season starts.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The fact that Isiah Thomas is coaching this team doesnt bode well for Curry either. Larry Brown constantly made it clear to his trigger happy guards that he wanted Curry to get alot of touches. Now with Isiah running the show the only way Curry will see that ball is if he steals it(yeah right!), blocks it(fat chance!) or rebounds it(insert own comment here!). I dont know anything about Isiah making Jermaine O'neal and Brad Miller all-stars although I'm pretty sure Vlade Divac had something to do with the latter. But what I do know is that with Isiah at the helm the Pacers underachieved horribly.</div>
Isiah said his offensive will allow Curry to be successful and it was the same one which made Brad Miller and Jermaine O’Neal all-stars. Now, I don’t know much about the offense, so I won’t be able to tell you about it. However, Jermaine O’Neal himself said Isiah’s coaching made him successful, which is why he refused to re-sign with the Pacers unless Isiah remained coach. Of course you know the rest; he was tricked and they signed Rick Carlisle. Someway, it will incorporate Marbury’s penetration game and feed Curry many good looks. It could make Curry successful next year or it could be a complete failure.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Forget about measuring whether or not the trade was fair because it is looking like a disaster which is funny because I seem to recall someone saying that the trade would be an "unmitigated disaster" before it happened. The Bulls wouldnt have been able to sign Ben Wallace if they had been paying Curry's contract, they wouldnt have landed Tyrus Thomas and their mouths wouldnt be watering at the prospect of seeing Greg Oden wear a Bulls uniform next year. You're not saying Curry will be good or bad? Fine. I'll say it for you. Curry will have another underachieving season. Curry will give this team 15/6 and absolutely nothing else on the stat sheet or in terms of intangibles. You can decide whether or not that's good or bad. The Bulls have already won the trade now it's just a matter of how embarassing will it be. Trading Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler embarassing or letting Shaq walk away for nothing embarassing?</div>
Curry has been working with Aguirre all summer, is in fantastic shape, and is playing well against scrimmaging against good NBA players. But he could still play lazy and underachieve next season. It’s too close to call, honestly. So I’ll stay in the neutral zone, but because the Bulls took our draft pick it is embarrassing, especially since it could have <u>EASILY</u> been protected. I’m in the “we’ll see mode” until November when I see him play.