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Needs to be longer.

I think 5 years is fine for just simply possessing a gun that isn't registered to you. This could include "borrowing" a gun from a friend to shoot in the desert or something. The thing is, with laws like this, some people will inevitably get caught in strange situations where something is out of their control for one reason or another.

Maybe increase it if its stolen to 10 years.

25 years if used in any crime.
 
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This is the same as "I have black friends"
 
They should put mandatory minimums for illegal gun possession. Like 5 years automatically in prison if you have a gun you aren't supposed to have.

More so for the use of a gun in a crime. (25 years automatically)

IMO, that will take a lot of the guns off the streets (have a buyback grace period no questions asked).

Wouldn't that be seen as racist as soon as announced? I read that nearly half of all murders are committed by Black people, even higher in Cities like Chicago. Wouldn't tacking on 25 years to this segment of the population be seen as discrimination to the max?
Or just simply targeting Blacks?
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime
 
I'm pretty sure that is the penalty if you are a felon in possession of a gun in Oregon.

And for the record @MARIS61 and @MarAzul are completely against this.

I'm not. If you are a felon, or you have a history of domestic violence, you shouldn't have guns. And I know many other gun owners who feel the same way. If you've broken the law so extensively to the point where you either have to go to prison for years, or you've been ordered by a judge to submit to counseling because of a history of domestic violence arrests, then you've lost the trust of our community to be a peaceful, law-abiding person. You've proven that you can't be trusted, and you can't behave like everyone else. There are consequences for that behavior.

No voting, no guns. You've lost those Rights.

This would be for anyone in possession of a gun that is not registered to them.

No plea deals. No nothing. Mandatory jail sentence. Make it long too.

Well, in the case of Chicago, every time a prosecutor tries this, they are labeled "racist", and they cave to political pressure. That's why Chicago's courts are one giant revolving door.

I think 5 years is fine for just simply possessing a gun that isn't registered to you. This could include "borrowing" a gun from a friend to shoot in the desert or something. The thing is, with laws like this, some people will inevitably get caught in strange situations where something is out of their control for one reason or another.

Maybe increase it if its stolen to 10 years.

25 years if used in any crime.

There needs to be some common sense with this, which is why "officer's discretion" matters. If the person borrowed the gun with the owner's permission (NOT stolen), and that person has no felonies or domestic violence crimes on their record, then I see no problem with this, as long as they are operating the firearm safely.

If necessary, the officer can contact the owner to verify that pistol is allowed to be in his possession (again: NOT stolen). Or run the gun's number and see if it was reported stolen, and if it is, lock them up. Regardless of what the person on the other end of the phone says.

I just watched a PJW video, and I see little, if anything, to disagree with this:



I don't always agree with PJW's approach to how he explains his stance, but I agree with him here. I personally maintain that social media and the internet is playing a huge part in radicalizing the fringe of our society. This needs to be looked into and investigated.
 
I'm not. If you are a felon, or you have a history of domestic violence, you shouldn't have guns. And I know many other gun owners who feel the same way. If you've broken the law so extensively to the point where you either have to go to prison for years, or you've been ordered by a judge to submit to counseling because of a history of domestic violence arrests, then you've lost the trust of our community to be a peaceful, law-abiding person. You've proven that you can't be trusted, and you can't behave like everyone else. There are consequences for that behavior.

No voting, no guns. You've lost those Rights.

I agree with the no guns part but not the no voting. If the person has served their time they should be allowed to have a say in who represents them.
 
I'm pretty sure that is the penalty if you are a felon in possession of a gun in Oregon.

And for the record @MARIS61 and @MarAzul are completely against this.

Ha! There goes Sly again. Telling folks what I said, but never saw me post.

The right to be armed if you wish, is the right of every American. Notice carefully the use of the word right.
Now if you commit crimes against society, then you give up your rights that the Federal government was formed to protect. The rights you give up are, your freedom and the right to pursue happiness, the right to bear Arms and the right to vote. These rights are lost for the appropriate amount of time as determined by law making bodies of our society.
I like the rule of law and due process. I fully support it.
 
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I agree with the no guns part but not the no voting. If the person has served their time they should be allowed to have a say in who represents them.

What about sex offenders? You want rapists and child molesters having a vote on who your politicians are?

Forgive me....but I don't.
 
Needs to be longer.

I think 5 years is fine for just simply possessing a gun that isn't registered to you. This could include "borrowing" a gun from a friend to shoot in the desert or something. The thing is, with laws like this, some people will inevitably get caught in strange situations where something is out of their control for one reason or another.

Maybe increase it if its stolen to 10 years.

25 years if used in any crime.

Wouldn't that be seen as racist as soon as announced? I read that nearly half of all murders are committed by Black people, even higher in Cities like Chicago. Wouldn't tacking on 25 years to this segment of the population be seen as discrimination to the max?
Or just simply targeting Blacks?
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

@Chris Craig
Are you sure about "longer"?
 
There needs to be some common sense with this, which is why "officer's discretion" matters. If the person borrowed the gun with the owner's permission (NOT stolen), and that person has no felonies or domestic violence crimes on their record, then I see no problem with this, as long as they are operating the firearm safely.


It has to be zero tolerance or its useless.
 
@Chris Craig
Are you sure about "longer"?

People need to think twice before picking up/carrying around a gun illegally/that doesn't belong to them. Maybe 5 years is long enough to get the point across, maybe not.

I see you would like to make it into a racial issue. I'm not going there.
 
What about sex offenders? You want rapists and child molesters having a vote on who your politicians are?

Forgive me....but I don't.

If they have served their time, have been released from prison, following all requirements and restrictions in their post prison release then why shouldn't they be allowed to vote?
 
What about sex offenders? You want rapists and child molesters having a vote on who your politicians are?

Forgive me....but I don't.

People who commit heinous crimes should lose their right to vote. Lesser crimes, no
 
If they have served their time, have been released from prison, following all requirements and restrictions in their post prison release then why shouldn't they be allowed to vote?

If you can't be trusted with a firearm, then you can't be trusted to vote.


So throw someone in prison for a bag of weed for personal use just as you would for smuggling a kilo of cocaine?

Okay. I'm cool with that.

People who commit heinous crimes should lose their right to vote. Lesser crimes, no

So white-collar criminals get to vote. Because they can totally be trusted with an important piece of paperwork like a ballot....

Show of hands....who wants Bernie Madoff voting?
 
People need to think twice before picking up/carrying around a gun illegally/that doesn't belong to them. Maybe 5 years is long enough to get the point across, maybe not.

I see you would like to make it into a racial issue. I'm not going there.

No!
I do not want to make it into a racial case. But I highly expect that is exactly what would happen. People often wail about the unfair numbers of Black people being incarcerated or even arrested.
 
If they have served their time, have been released from prison, following all requirements and restrictions in their post prison release then why shouldn't they be allowed to vote?

I agree with this. For lower tier offenders that are able to become a contributing member of society.
 
No!
I do not want to make it into a racial case. But I highly expect that is exactly what would happen. People often wail about the unfair numbers of Black people being incarcerated or even arrested.

Maybe. Doing something illegal is doing something illegal. If you have an unlicensed or stolen weapon it is illegal no matter your race.

There is an inequitable number of black people being incarcerated in this country. It is not just something being "whined" about, but a trut statistical point. One that merits dicussion to determine the reasoning and the solution.
 
If they have served their time, have been released from prison, following all requirements and restrictions in their post prison release then why shouldn't they be allowed to vote?
Depending on the crime. Just as the time in jail is dependent on the crime. So is the right to vote. So is the the right to bear arms.
 
If you're going to be allowed to vote again, then you need to show a minimum of 5 years of responsibility after prison before you can go before a judge and ask for that Right back. Get a job, pay your taxes, keep your nose clean of ALL crimes. I would be okay with that.
 
Maybe. Doing something illegal is doing something illegal. If you have an unlicensed or stolen weapon it is illegal no matter your race.
No shit!
But take a count of what 25 years tacked on means! Perhaps 75% of those getting the harsh sentence will be Black men as it stands today.
I am ok with it. Are You?
 
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I don't think any weapons needs a license except for a fully automatic weapon. Commonly known as a machine gun but uncommonly owned.

Yes and no. The ATF issues a tax stamp to you once you pass a background check, which can take anywhere from 9 months to 2 years. You must keep that with you at all times that you have a machine gun. There are also laws governing their transfer, which is a whole other ball of wax.

Machine guns are NOT cheap, which is why they are uncommon. A good condition MP5 Navy from 1985 will cost you anywhere from $30,000 to $45,000.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/825501604

Registering is a bit different, but it varies from State to State. To my knowledge, Washington and Oregon do not have registering requirements, though I believe it is voluntary.
 
No shit!
But take a count of what 25 years tacked on means! Perhaps 75% of those getting the harsh sentence will be Black men as it stands today.
I am ok with it. Are You?

As I said there is an inequitable amount of Black people incarcerated in this country. That is something that needs to be looked at. I don't know how accurate your percentage is. There are a lot of white people and people of other races that have illegal guns. All I will say is people should not have guns illegally. Something needs to be done.
 
Yes and no. The ATF issues a tax stamp to you once you pass a background check, which can take anywhere from 9 months to 2 years. You must keep that with you at all times that you have a machine gun. There are also laws governing their transfer, which is a whole other ball of wax.

Machine guns are NOT cheap, which is why they are uncommon. A good condition MP5 Navy from 1985 will cost you anywhere from $30,000 to $45,000.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/825501604

Registering is a bit different, but it varies from State to State. To my knowledge, Washington and Oregon do not have registering requirements, though I believe it is voluntary.

How much did the shooters guns cost? I am sure none of them had $30,000.
 
How much did the shooters guns cost? I am sure none of them had $30,000.

I bought my WASR some years back for $325, "new" (the receiver was made in 1973). Today, they go for about $500 to $700, though about $600 is the average.

Now go find an AK-47 with full auto capability. Good luck affording one of those! And if it was made after 1986, forget it; you can't own it without a law letter.
 
No shit!
But take a count of what 25 years tacked on means! Perhaps 75% of those getting the harsh sentence will be Black men as it stands today.
I am ok with it. Are You?

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