Ellisbury....

[BigDaddyAl1973]

As you know I was very against the contract given to Jacoby Ellsbury.....

now I know some will say its one year and he has 7 more years left at 21.14 million..>OMFG<

what did we get....

well we got his lowest batting average in his career .271 (not going to include the 18 game season he had in 2010)

we got 71 runs scored...ok that is not just his fault since the rest of the offense was innemic at best...

we got 16 home runs...second best in his career.....16 home runs..impressive..

27 doubles
5 triples
struck out 93 times..

39 stolen bases ...a element that was missing, so that is one plus

419 slugging and 328 on base....

NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a player being paid what he is being paid.

Do not foresee these stats to get any better especially since as he gets older his main attribute, speed, will only regress...

I hated the contract...not thrilled with the player and in 2 years this will look worse than Arods contract

 

[yankeesince59]

As you know I was very against the contract given to Jacoby Ellsbury.....

now I know some will say its one year and he has 7 more years left at 21.14 million..>OMFG<



I hated the contract...not thrilled with the player and in 2 years this will look worse than Arods contract

...dislike the contract?...fine...dislike the player?...fine. But no way 2 years from now Ells' contract will be as bad as ARod's.

...ARod will be 41 by the time his contract is up...Ellsbury will be only 33 in 2 years.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

no....what I mean is people look at Arod's contract right now and think its a black hole...
people will be saying that and worse in two years about Ellsbury

 

[Mattingly23NY]

As you know I was very against the contract given to Jacoby Ellsbury.....

now I know some will say its one year and he has 7 more years left at 21.14 million..>OMFG<

what did we get....

well we got his lowest batting average in his career .271 (not going to include the 18 game season he had in 2010)

we got 71 runs scored...ok that is not just his fault since the rest of the offense was innemic at best...

we got 16 home runs...second best in his career.....16 home runs..impressive..

27 doubles
5 triples
struck out 93 times..

39 stolen bases ...a element that was missing, so that is one plus

419 slugging and 328 on base....

NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a player being paid what he is being paid.

Do not foresee these stats to get any better especially since as he gets older his main attribute, speed, will only regress...

I hated the contract...not thrilled with the player and in 2 years this will look worse than Arods contract

I don't have a problem with Ellsbury. I do believe Jacoby will come around, to become again, one of the premier CF'rs in the AL.

It's Beltran and his contract I had a prob with before he was signed, and still under negotiations.

I also have a problem with our Scouting Prospects Dept. Why could a kid like Andrelton Simmons get passed over for Cito Culver???? Now that is a serious problem. It has been obvious since 2010, the Yanx had been looking for a Jeter replacement, and what the hell did they come up with???? cito culver-BFD...eh?

 

[yankeesince59]

...well, again al, Ellsbury will only be 33 in 2 years...now if you're talking 5 years from now, maybe.

...there's no way to compare the 2 contracts to each other because the fact of the matter is that no one knows how long Ellsbury will remain productive but I'm pretty sure that 2 years from now he'll still be an important part of this team and a solid all around CFer.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

let's hope so..but I have my doubts

 

[blgridesagain]

As you know I was very against the contract given to Jacoby Ellsbury.....

now I know some will say its one year and he has 7 more years left at 21.14 million..>OMFG<

what did we get....

well we got his lowest batting average in his career .271 (not going to include the 18 game season he had in 2010)

we got 71 runs scored...ok that is not just his fault since the rest of the offense was innemic at best...

we got 16 home runs...second best in his career.....16 home runs..impressive..

27 doubles
5 triples
struck out 93 times..

39 stolen bases ...a element that was missing, so that is one plus

419 slugging and 328 on base....

NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a player being paid what he is being paid.

Do not foresee these stats to get any better especially since as he gets older his main attribute, speed, will only regress...

I hated the contract...not thrilled with the player and in 2 years this will look worse than Arods contract[/QUOTE]

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.not thrilled with the player and in 2 years this will look worse than Arods contract


I don't think so.
I think the next 2-4 years will be very good/excellent years for Ellsbury UNLESS the injury bug hits him and while he isn't the HITTER Cano is...nor is he a big time slugger type..but he is (imo) one of the better all-around players AND one of the very best CF in baseball.

Sure, he could/should improve on his BA and OPS and I think he will.
Coming into the 2014 season he had a career .350 OBP which is "good".

He may be "over-payed".....
..but he is a good all-around CF , excellent speed as a weapon, teams worry about him...
... and he is a good hitter.

While I (and the Yanks) expect him to improve on his 2014 numbers, here are some comparisons with the rest of the CF in MLB...and the A.L. (2014)

SB 1st in A.L. , 3rd in MLB behind Billy Hamilton and Ben Revere.
RBI 3rd in A.L., 6th in MLB
slg% 3rd in A.L., 6th in MLB
TB 3rd in A.L., 7th in MLB
XBH 3rd in A.L., 7th in MLB
HR 11th in A.L., 17th in MLB
K 11th in A.L., 17th in MLB
(10 other A.L. CF struck out more than him, 16 more MLB CF)

He trails only Trout and Adam Jones in the A.L. in most of the primary hitting categories.

And here is his slash line at Yankee Stadium:
303 BA, .370 OBP .451 SLG% .821 OPS
Not too shabby.

I think the best is yet to come for this talented athlete/ballplayer.
He may not have a singular year better than 2011, but he should be reaching his prime years NOW going forward. We'LL see.

 

[Rick2583]

Of course I would have liked a little more consistency from him but all in all I really didn't have much of a problem with him. And I expect he'll have a much better sophomore season with the Yankees.

 

[yankeesince59]

as a weapon[/B], teams worry about him...
... and he is a good hitter.

While I (and the Yanks) expect him to improve on his 2014 numbers, here are some comparisons with the rest of the CF in MLB...and the A.L. (2014)

SB 1st in A.L. , 3rd in MLB behind Billy Hamilton and Ben Revere.
RBI 3rd in A.L., 6th in MLB
slg% 3rd in A.L., 6th in MLB
TB 3rd in A.L., 7th in MLB
XBH 3rd in A.L., 7th in MLB
HR 11th in A.L., 17th in MLB
K 11th in A.L., 17th in MLB
(10 other A.L. CF struck out more than him, 16 more MLB CF)

He trails only Trout and Adam Jones in the A.L. in most of the primary hitting categories.

And here is his slash line at Yankee Stadium:
303 BA, .370 OBP .451 SLG% .821 OPS
Not too shabby.

I think the best is yet to come for this talented athlete/ballplayer.
He may not have a singular year better than 2011, but he should be reaching his prime years NOW going forward. We'LL see.

...good stuff.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

we got 71 runs scored...ok that is not just his fault since the rest of the offense was innemic at best...

Is innemic a new brand of enema? or did ya' mean anemic like in Iron Deficiency, or weak hitting? J/K typos accepted here, with I.D. proof of age.....

Please show your I.D.s at the door, before entering folks....!

Sorry Al, I couldn't help myself......I rarely if ever point out typos, cuz as soon as I do, I will be the first to mitzspeyal a wurd....!

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

As you know I was very against the contract given to Jacoby Ellsbury.....

now I know some will say its one year and he has 7 more years left at 21.14 million..>OMFG<

what did we get....

well we got his lowest batting average in his career .271 (not going to include the 18 game season he had in 2010)

we got 71 runs scored...ok that is not just his fault since the rest of the offense was innemic at best...

we got 16 home runs...second best in his career.....16 home runs..impressive..

27 doubles
5 triples
struck out 93 times..

39 stolen bases ...a element that was missing, so that is one plus

419 slugging and 328 on base....

NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a player being paid what he is being paid.

Do not foresee these stats to get any better especially since as he gets older his main attribute, speed, will only regress...

I hated the contract...not thrilled with the player and in 2 years this will look worse than Arods contract[/QUOTE]

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.not thrilled with the player and in 2 years this will look worse than Arods contract


I don't think so.
I think the next 2-4 years will be very good/excellent years for Ellsbury UNLESS the injury bug hits him and while he isn't the HITTER Cano is...nor is he a big time slugger type..but he is (imo) one of the better all-around players AND one of the very best CF in baseball.

Sure, he could/should improve on his BA and OPS and I think he will.
Coming into the 2014 season he had a career .350 OBP which is "good".

He may be "over-payed".....
..but he is a good all-around CF , excellent speed as a weapon, teams worry about him...
... and he is a good hitter.

While I (and the Yanks) expect him to improve on his 2014 numbers, here are some comparisons with the rest of the CF in MLB...and the A.L. (2014)

SB 1st in A.L. , 3rd in MLB behind Billy Hamilton and Ben Revere.
RBI 3rd in A.L., 6th in MLB
slg% 3rd in A.L., 6th in MLB
TB 3rd in A.L., 7th in MLB
XBH 3rd in A.L., 7th in MLB
HR 11th in A.L., 17th in MLB
K 11th in A.L., 17th in MLB
(10 other A.L. CF struck out more than him, 16 more MLB CF)

He trails only Trout and Adam Jones in the A.L. in most of the primary hitting categories.

And here is his slash line at Yankee Stadium:
303 BA, .370 OBP .451 SLG% .821 OPS
Not too shabby.

I think the best is yet to come for this talented athlete/ballplayer.
He may not have a singular year better than 2011, but he should be reaching his prime years NOW going forward. We'LL see.

Being the third best centerfielder.....in the AL....really start digging deep to make his season look good.
Brett Gardner would love you as his agent.

 

[yankeesince59]

Being the third best centerfielder.....in the AL....really start digging deep to make his season look good.
Brett Gardner would love you as his agent.

...lol, yeah, like you didn't "dig" to make his season look bad.

...and not at all sure what Gardner has to do with this.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Being the third best centerfielder.....in the AL....really start digging deep to make his season look good.
Brett Gardner would love you as his agent.

Brett Gardner already has a capable agent.....!

Why Brett, whats next, Ichiro, Jeter, Tanaka???

We all know Tex is shit on a hot tin roof......

McCann will and began to come around. He hit the ball hard, and next year, I expect big things out of Brian.

You can have A-Roid......

 

[blgridesagain]

Being the third best centerfielder.....in the AL....really start digging deep to make his season look good.
Brett Gardner would love you as his agent.

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That's funny.

Know what else is funny?
I think Ellsbury is a better CF than Adam Jones.
Offensive?
I agree last year wasn't a VERY GOOD season for Ellsbury,
..good, not very good. and I realize Adam Jones is at his very best right now (2014).
Yep, Jones can hit twice as many HRs as Ellsbury and has more RBI.

Ellsbury has more than twice as many SB, strikes out considerably less times,
gets on base more often (OBP), and currently has a higher career OPS.

The next couple of seasons will be important - if Ellsbury plays up to his capabilties the Yankees won't complain about his salary....
Adam Jones is a fine player, but I think...this is as good as he gets.

 

[Hammerojustice]

I don't think so.
I think the next 2-4 years will be very good/excellent years for Ellsbury UNLESS the injury bug hits him and while he isn't the HITTER Cano is...nor is he a big time slugger type..but he is (imo) one of the better all-around players AND one of the very best CF in baseball.

Sure, he could/should improve on his BA and OPS and I think he will.
Coming into the 2014 season he had a career .350 OBP which is "good".

He may be "over-payed".....
..but he is a good all-around CF , excellent speed as a weapon, teams worry about him...
... and he is a good hitter.

While I (and the Yanks) expect him to improve on his 2014 numbers, here are some comparisons with the rest of the CF in MLB...and the A.L. (2014)

SB 1st in A.L., 3rd in MLB behind Billy Hamilton and Ben Revere.
RBI 3rd in A.L., 6th in MLB
slg% 3rd in A.L., 6th in MLB
TB 3rd in A.L., 7th in MLB
XBH 3rd in A.L., 7th in MLB
HR 11th in A.L., 17th in MLB
K 11th in A.L., 17th in MLB
(10 other A.L. CF struck out more than him, 16 more MLB CF)

He trails only Trout and Adam Jones in the A.L. in most of the primary hitting categories.

And here is his slash line at Yankee Stadium:
303 BA, .370 OBP .451 SLG% .821 OPS
Not too shabby.

I think the best is yet to come for this talented athlete/ballplayer.
He may not have a singular year better than 2011, but he should be reaching his prime years NOW going forward. We'LL see.

Not to mention the above, BUT, Who else was there in the support capacity? No batters behind him to really protect him trying to steal or threat of a better hitter coming behind him so he would in turn see better pitches??? I agree, the contact is FAR too long and too much money, but he was one of the better players in the game...

 

[blgridesagain]

Not to mention the above, BUT, Who else was there in the support capacity? No batters behind him to really protect him trying to steal or threat of a better hitter coming behind him so he would in turn see better pitches??? I agree, the contact is FAR too long and too much money, but he was one of the better players in the game...

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Agree

In the "perfect" lineup, Ellsbury has to bat lead-off. He probably is better suited as a lead-off hitter which is fine because he just might be/can be the BEST leadoff hitter in the A.L./ MLB.

I also think he was pressing a bit in his first year with the Yanks (with the big contract and batting 3rd).
He has better all around skills than the vast majority of players...has already proven to be a top base stealer, great base runner and capable of hitting "some" HRs (32, 16)..and he is an excellent CF who can make the circus catches and his .293 career BA is nothing to sneeze at.
He's also been an excellent career hitter w/runners on base and w/risp.