Enes Kanter's game is garbage

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Wizard Mentor said:
The world has gone haywire. I'm usually the positive outlook guy to the overall pessimism of the boards.

However, this time I'm agreeing with the OP. Sure, the negative +/- against Boston isn't a big deal. However,
in aggregate, it's huge: we've had a bench negative +/- in ALL FOUR GAMES that Kanter has played. I'm
not blaming Kanter, but this "deep team" that supposedly got deeper has a bench that is getting routinely
outscored. That's troublesome. Lillard and Nurk are having to work too hard. It does not bode well
for the playoffs.

#OptimisticButStillConcerned
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It seems like we are missing something from the bench these last 4 games. :bgrin:
 
Blazer4ever said:
Once again we won the game, but once again our starting five had very good plus-minus numbers and the bench, like in every game since Kanter replaced Zach and Meyers and since Turner's injury, the bench players were all in minuses.
This has become a trend and for us to go as far as we can we need to fix this. Collins and Meyers earned minutes, Kanter even in his best performances I don't think once had a positive plus-minus. We can still win and the starting five is clicking but we're not as dominant as we could be
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Will you shut the fuck up already with this? 2 threads is enough for your Woah as me bullshit about Kanter when we have yet to lose with him
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Whoa....

Let's go easy.
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Sorry... but three threads all with the same bs that can be put in a game thread or his “Kanter is garbage” thread

Can we get a merge at least? The only thing suffering is the board. The only thing that’s garbage are b4e takes
 
@SlyPokerDog would you be willing to merge the garbage thread, and this one?
It's talking about the same player just one has a more appropriate title.
 
chzbrgr said:
Sorry... but three threads all with the same bs that can be put in a game thread or his “Kanter is garbage” thread

Can we get a merge at least? The only thing suffering is the board. The only thing that’s garbage are b4e takes
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H.C. said:
@SlyPokerDog would you be willing to merge the garbage thread, and this one?
It's talking about the same player just one has a more appropriate title.
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Great idea!

Done!
 
Blazer4ever said:
Once again we won the game, but once again our starting five had very good plus-minus numbers and the bench, like in every game since Kanter replaced Zach and Meyers and since Turner's injury, the bench players were all in minuses.
This has become a trend and for us to go as far as we can we need to fix this. Collins and Meyers earned minutes, Kanter even in his best performances I don't think once had a positive plus-minus. We can still win and the starting five is clicking but we're not as dominant as we could be
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So the reason this is happening is other teams are keeping 2 of their 5 starters in while we play all 5 bench players at once. This is on Coach Stotts.
 
Collins and Meyers are fixing to get a lot of minutes? Nurk is hurt?
 
TBpup said:
I'm not on the 'Kanter is garbage' train, but on defense, he certainly leaves a lot to be desired.

He is ranked as the worst defensive center in the NBA in this article. https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-nbas-worst-defender-at-every-position#slide4

"The Knicks were 3.9 points per 100 possessions worse on defense when he (Kanter) played. Admittedly with quite the small sample, Rip City's defensive rating has fallen by 11.8 when he's logging minutes."

That is not good...
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Yeah, since he joined the team I am astounded at how bad his defense is. When his signing was announced I thought people were probably exaggerating how bad he was, but if anything they were underselling how bad he is. It's amazing that anyone could this bad.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
So the reason this is happening is other teams are keeping 2 of their 5 starters in while we play all 5 bench players at once. This is on Coach Stotts.
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What's on Stotts? The team is 5-1 on this road trip so whatever rotation he is employing is certainly working better than the competition we are playing.
 
Is there some mandate to play him or something from Neil?

He doesn't deserve these minutes.
 
blue9 said:
Yeah, since he joined the team I am astounded at how bad his defense is. When his signing was announced I thought people were probably exaggerating how bad he was, but if anything they were underselling how bad he is. It's amazing that anyone could this bad.
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I was in awe of how truly terrible he was in the Thunder game. His defense was abysmal (he had one block that stunned everyone, but was in another area code for the rest of the game when somebody attacked the rim). And those 6 rebounds were completely empty--some he fumbled, some were missed shots and some came from just standing there. You could go years and not see 6 less consequential boards.

Stotts needs to trot him out there situationally--when the other team's bench has a small front court basically. He's great at posting up and out-rebounding smaller players. But shit, if he can't do that he's less than worthless.

I'd like to see Stotts use the right guy at the center position for the situation:
1. Collins as the general purpose backup center
2. Kanter for abusing smaller backup front courts
3. Leonard if we face a really big center with an aggressive offense (Marc Gasol, Boogie, etc)
You pick the guy who fits the bill and ignore the other two unless they embarrass themselves. Against the Thunder you want Collins for help defense to close the lane (or at least commit really hard fouls).

I didn't want Collins to deliberately injure Paul George, but you know he would make him think about his shoulder a little before taking it inside. With Kanter out there Paul George had a free pass.
 
Kanter is currently a whopping -7.7 in only 18 mpg. That's impressive! It's worth wondering what we would've been like if we'd've just kept Biggie and played him those minutes.

But let's not let Kanter's awfulness obscure how bad Rodney Hood has been. (Like Stauskas, he's hanging on because he had one good game. Memories of Aaron Afflalo.)
 
Kanter is playing due to Olshey trade for him to backup Nurk. So when someone tells me the GM doesn't have impacted on who plays then he needs his head exam. You don't trade for guys like Hood and Kanter and don't play them because if you don't then the GM will have egg on his face so the coach is not going show up the GM. Now Skal was a little different he was replaced player wasn't in the rotation.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Kanter is currently a whopping -7.7 in only 18 mpg. That's impressive! It's worth wondering what we would've been like if we'd've just kept Biggie and played him those minutes.

But let's not let Kanter's awfulness obscure how bad Rodney Hood has been. (Like Stauskas, he's hanging on because he had one good game. Memories of Aaron Afflalo.)
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I think Nurk and Kanter both struggle against big strong centers. I noticed last night when they both went low on Adams they were working much harder than they did on most of that 7 game roady. When either cant bulldoze the get clumsy and out of control. Nurk, at the high post with some p&R does him well.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Is there some mandate to play him or something from Neil?

He doesn't deserve these minutes.
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Kanter said he just wanted to come to a winning environment and didn't care about minutes....but I can't believe there wasn't an agreement between Olshey and the agent that if Kanter came, he would play. The defense has been atrocious and that they don't even try Zach when the Kanter is going all sieve is beyond me.

He is also clogging the lane and it has completely taken away Layman's cuts to the basket.
 
TBpup said:
Kanter said he just wanted to come to a winning environment and didn't care about minutes....but I can't believe there wasn't an agreement between Olshey and the agent that if Kanter came, he would play. The defense has been atrocious and that they don't even try Zach when the Kanter is going all sieve is beyond me.

He is also clogging the lane and it has completely taken away Layman's cuts to the basket.
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Honestly though, if Layman would start hitting 3's it would open his drives. He's been wide open lately and needs to make the defense respect his shot again.
 
hoopsjock said:
Honestly though, if Layman would start hitting 3's it would open his drives. He's been wide open lately and needs to make the defense respect his shot again.
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Agreed it would help....but Layman is not just a spot up shooter which is what he has been reduced to since Kanter arrived....same for Hood. Layman is a rhythm shooter and getting a layin/dunk off a cut or lob helps get him going. To have all of those opportunities basically disappear and be relegated to just an occasional '3' doesn't do much for anyone's average.
 
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