Enes Kanter's game is garbage (1 Viewer)

[jlprk]

Hilarious. Up to Post 229, the whole thread ridicules Blazer4ever, who started the thread. Finally, after we see Kanter for a few games, the whole thread turns a 180 against Kanter. Will everyone who posted up to Post 229 now get down on his knees and apologize to Blazer4ever?

 

[BonesJones]

Hilarious. Up to Post 229, the whole thread ridicules Blazer4ever, who started the thread. Finally, after we see Kanter for a few games, the whole thread turns a 180 against Kanter. Will everyone who posted up to Post 229 now get down on his knees and apologize to Blazer4ever?

Do you want Greg Oden back?

 

[jlprk]

Do you want Greg Oden back?

How did you know?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hilarious. Up to Post 229, the whole thread ridicules Blazer4ever, who started the thread. Finally, after we see Kanter for a few games, the whole thread turns a 180 against Kanter. Will everyone who posted up to Post 229 now get down on his knees and apologize to Blazer4ever?

Meh. Small sample size for us still. Much smaller than the OP's posting history....

 

[tester551]

Kanter is currently a whopping -7.7 in only 18 mpg. That's impressive! It's worth wondering what we would've been like if we'd've just kept Biggie and played him those minutes.

But let's not let Kanter's awfulness obscure how bad Rodney Hood has been. (Like Stauskas, he's hanging on because he had one good game. Memories of Aaron Afflalo.)

I think that Kanter's is negatively effecting Rodney Hood & Jake Layman too. The whole flow of the second unit changed with the presence of Kanter. It used to be free flowing with more players going toward the hoop. The last 5-6 games, it's been more post ups and isolation. Kanter's slowing the offense down and clogging the middle.

 

[B-Roy]

I think that Kanter's is negatively effecting Rodney Hood & Jake Layman too. The whole flow of the second unit changed with the presence of Kanter. It used to be free flowing with more players going toward the hoop. The last 5-6 games, it's been more post ups and isolation. Kanter's slowing the offense down and clogging the middle.

I don't mind the post ups. He's been historically good, and so if he's scoring on offense you can leave him out there.

The defense though. Wow, I need to apologize to Meyers....

 

[blazerkor]

Give Collins his minutes back, he at least cares about effort on the defensive end of the court.

 

[Strenuus]

I don't mind the post ups. He's been historically good, and so if he's scoring on offense you can leave him out there.

The defense though. Wow, I need to apologize to Meyers....

The moment I heard he was the worst defensive c in the league is when I hated the move. In the playoffs you need defense and we have... nurk in terms of centers.

 

[TBpup]

I think that Kanter's is negatively effecting Rodney Hood & Jake Layman too. The whole flow of the second unit changed with the presence of Kanter. It used to be free flowing with more players going toward the hoop. The last 5-6 games, it's been more post ups and isolation. Kanter's slowing the offense down and clogging the middle.

This x1000.

 

[blue9]

Give Collins his minutes back, he at least cares about effort on the defensive end of the court.

Yeah. So many people are like "yeah, Aminu might suck, but at least he gives good effort". All people care about is effort - or the appearance of effort - regardless of whether it actually helps the team.
Zach gives effort AND doesn't suck. But no, let's not play him.

 

[blue9]

The moment I heard he was the worst defensive c in the league is when I hated the move. In the playoffs you need defense and we have... nurk in terms of centers.

Meyers is a better defender - and he's not great (or even good). Also, in this idiotic Terry Offense, Meyers' shooting threat is more valuable than Kanter's dunk threat. I thought it might be good to have someone who can manufacture points in the paint, but clearly Terry doesn't know what to do with the other 4 guys while Kanter is in the middle - thus making everyone on the floor absolutely worthless.

 

[JDC]

Can't wait for this Kanter experience to be over. Hopefully it does before the end of the regular season.

We have an 8 year sample showing he doesn't help you win, especially in the playoffs.

 

[joeBlazers]

I remember a thread where someone wanted to re-sign him like yesterday.

Can't wait for this Kanter experience to be over. Hopefully it does before end of the regular season.
We have an 8 year sample showing he doesn't help you win, especially in the playoffs.

 

[JDC]

I remember a thread where someone wanted to re-sign him like yesterday.

Yuck

 

[BBert]

No 180 turn here:

So far Hood looks....not great.

So far Kanter looks....over hyped.

And I was being kind

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Kanter +16 in the game against the Suns.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Yeah. So many people are like "yeah, Aminu might suck, but at least he gives good effort". All people care about is effort - or the appearance of effort - regardless of whether it actually helps the team.
Zach gives effort AND doesn't suck. But no, let's not play him.

He doesn't? Really?

Go look at his stats tonight against the SUNS. It's pretty sobering.

Don't get me wrong: I'll take him any day of the week over Meyers, and even to an extent over Kanter (depending on the game and matchup). But Zach isn't exactly lighting it up this year.

 

[bobf]

Yeah. So many people are like "yeah, Aminu might suck, but at least he gives good effort". All people care about is effort - or the appearance of effort - regardless of whether it actually helps the team.
Zach gives effort AND doesn't suck. But no, let's not play him.

Aminu gives effort, doesn’t suck, and he’s better than Zach. That’s why Zach doesn’t get more of Chiefs minutes. I’m all for Zach getting more minutes though. Kanter minutes. Hopefully he pans out and becomes actually better than Chief.

 

[bobf]

Meyers is a better defender - and he's not great (or even good). Also, in this idiotic Terry Offense, Meyers' shooting threat is more valuable than Kanter's dunk threat. I thought it might be good to have someone who can manufacture points in the paint, but clearly Terry doesn't know what to do with the other 4 guys while Kanter is in the middle - thus making everyone on the floor absolutely worthless.

Another thing. A missed paint shot is the worst missed shot in the NBA. It often results in 5 on 4 fast breaks. In contrast and contrary to popular myth, missed 3’s give your team time to get back. So Kanter’s inside shots need to be that much more efficient than Meyers 3’s. And they are not, especially when you take into account the paint clogging stifling side effects of Kanters game.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Another thing. A missed paint shot is the worst missed shot in the NBA. It often results in 5 on 4 fast breaks. In contrast and contrary to popular myth, missed 3’s give your team time to get back. So Kanter’s inside shots need to be that much more efficient than Meyers 3’s. And they are not, especially when you take into account the paint clogging stifling side effects of Kanters game.

The idea with 3’s is a bounce and long rebound can and do lead to fast breaks. Usually a missed shot in the paint is accompanied by a lot of traffic in the paint. Do you have any statistics that back up the claim that missing shots in the paint lead to more fastbreaks than missed 3’s?

 

[bobf]

He doesn't? Really?

Go look at his stats tonight against the SUNS. It's pretty sobering.

Don't get me wrong: I'll take him any day of the week over Meyers, and even to an extent over Kanter (depending on the game and matchup). But Zach isn't exactly lighting it up this year.

At this point. Zach’s promise is a figment of our rose colored glasses imagination. Yesterday against the Suns he had a beautiful up and under move. In my minds eye I saw Kevin McHale gracefully banking it in. But then I awoke from my little day dream to Zach getting stripped before he could even get a shot up. This kind of thing seems to be the norm with Zach.

 

[bobf]

The idea with 3’s is a bounce and long rebound can and do lead to fast breaks. Usually a missed shot in the paint is accompanied by a lot of traffic in the paint. Do you have any statistics that back up the claim that missing shots in the paint lead to more fastbreaks than missed 3’s?

Yeah I know the idea. I don’t have the stats to back it up. But I’d bet on it. I’ve been paying attention to this for years. Corner 3s are a bit dangerous. Other 3s I don’t think so. Missed layups are the worst. I used to have the raw game event history I could have used to check it, but I don’t have it any more. Costs $300 to get full history. If you know of any data sources to raw event history I’d love to get my hands on it to confirm.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Yeah I know the idea. I don’t have the stats to back it up. But I’d bet on it. I’ve been paying attention to this for years. Corner 3s are a bit dangerous. Other 3s I don’t think so. Missed layups are the worst. I used to have the raw game event history I could have used to check it, but I don’t have it any more. Costs $300 to get full history. If you know of any data sources to raw event history I’d love to get my hands on it to confirm.

I dont know of any off the top of my head. I think the type of paint shot that is the worst are running layups that miss, post ups usually slow the game down dont they?

 

[julius]

One thing Kanter can do on defense (differently) is actually raise his hands to contest shots. I don't know how many times I saw his man just shoot over him, without any sort of contention from Enes.

 

[bobf]

I dont know of any off the top of my head. I think the type of paint shot that is the worst are running layups that miss, post ups usually slow the game down dont they?

Yes missed running layups are clearly the worst. Post ups much less so and depends on how the player finishes. To my eye it’s not much about the slowness if the game or length of rebound. It’s about do all five guys have time to transition quickly to between the ball and our bucket. That mostly depends on can the shooter himself get back on defense. That’s why a missed layup is so bad. The shooter can’t get back. Kanter post up finishes are aggressive toward the bucket, compared to say an Aldridge baby hook or turn around jumper. So IMO Kanters post up misses are worse in this respect.

 

[JDC]

The idea with 3’s is a bounce and long rebound can and do lead to fast breaks. Usually a missed shot in the paint is accompanied by a lot of traffic in the paint. Do you have any statistics that back up the claim that missing shots in the paint lead to more fastbreaks than missed 3’s?

Old, but relevant and Seth does good work.

Works for the Bucks now as Director of Basketball Research.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ad-to-nba-fast-breaks/?utm_term=.b8a0b8c519d4

 

[jlprk]

At this point. Zach’s promise is a figment of our rose colored glasses imagination. Yesterday against the Suns he had a beautiful up and under move. In my minds eye I saw Kevin McHale gracefully banking it in. But then I awoke from my little day dream to Zach getting stripped before he could even get a shot up. This kind of thing seems to be the norm with Zach.

Whenever he touched (or tried to touch) the ball, he lost it. He has weak hands. Shoulda kept Ed Davis.

 

[CupWizier]

At this point. Zach’s promise is a figment of our rose colored glasses imagination. Yesterday against the Suns he had a beautiful up and under move. In my minds eye I saw Kevin McHale gracefully banking it in. But then I awoke from my little day dream to Zach getting stripped before he could even get a shot up. This kind of thing seems to be the norm with Zach.

Just think if Blazers had that mindset with Layman and got rid of him this past off season. Plenty of time for him to develop as he is very young.

 

[Hoopguru]

Just think if Blazers had that mindset with Layman and got rid of him this past off season. Plenty of time for him to develop as he is very young.

yep..it does take bigs a bit longer to develop and the sophomore slump can be humbling to a youngster. It was on Jake.

 

[julius]

Just think if Blazers had that mindset with Layman and got rid of him this past off season. Plenty of time for him to develop as he is very young.

They should give up on Zach and while they're at it Simons. If they're not producing from the get-go, they're worthless bums.

GREEN FONT.