Politics Enough with the Hillary cult: Her admirers ignore reality, dream of worshipping a queen

[Denny Crane]

11 (51 - 40) points is only slightly more than 3?

Within the MOE

 

[barfo]

Seems like no matter how much the whippersnappers prefer Bernie over Hillary, they aren't going for Trump:

Hillary Clinton crushes Trump among millennials, who would overwhelmingly support the former secretary of state over the real estate mogul in a general election. Clinton holds a 36-point advantage over Trump, 61 percent to 25 percent, with 14 percent undecided.

Trump’s favorability is minus 57 percent (17 percent favorable, 74 percent unfavorable). Clinton’s favorability is minus 16 percent (37 percent favorable, 53 percent unfavorable).

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Seems like no matter how much the whippersnappers prefer Bernie over Hillary, they aren't going for Trump:
barfo

I think most will stay home, shut out of the process.

 

[barfo]

I think most will stay home, shut out of the process.

Agreed, no big shock if they don't vote (they usually don't).

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

Seems like no matter how much the whippersnappers prefer Bernie over Hillary, they aren't going for Trump:





barfo

The hill just posted a national poll where Trump and Hillary are statistically tied

 

[barfo]

The hill just posted a national poll where Trump and Hillary are statistically tied

How many electoral votes is that worth?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

How many electoral votes is that worth?

barfo

How many electoral votes did W get in 2004? 2008 might be the outlier because Obama is a rock star candidate. Even so, in 2012 Romney won back states that changed hands to Obama in 2008. W won 286, and that might be as good a guess for this election.

 

[magnifier661]

How many electoral votes is that worth?

barfo

I'm not quite following you. This was in response to you claiming that Hillary had better head to heads, now when it's closer, you talk about electoral votes?

So tell me what you want to debate. The electoral votes or polls?

 

[barfo]

I'm not quite following you. This was in response to you claiming that Hillary had better head to heads, now when it's closer, you talk about electoral votes?

So tell me what you want to debate. The electoral votes or polls?

All I was saying was that national polls don't mean much ever, and especially not at this stage. The distribution of votes matters. Ted Cruz might win Mississippi in a landslide, but he's going to lose in a landslide in other places.

But hey, if seeing your candidate trailing in a national poll makes you happy, enjoy.

barfo

 

[barfo]

How many electoral votes did W get in 2004? 2008 might be the outlier because Obama is a rock star candidate. Even so, in 2012 Romney won back states that changed hands to Obama in 2008. W won 286, and that might be as good a guess for this election.

Sure, if we are guessing, anything between 0 and 538 is a valid guess.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

All I was saying was that national polls don't mean much ever, and especially not at this stage. The distribution of votes matters. Ted Cruz might win Mississippi in a landslide, but he's going to lose in a landslide in other places.

But hey, if seeing your candidate trailing in a national poll makes you happy, enjoy.

barfo

I will say this. Trump will put many blue states in play in the general. Places that are deeply red have no shot of turning Blue.

I definitely agree about the polling not meaning much right now, especially with the major blood bath during the primary. The season is far from over. It's only just begun, imo

 

[barfo]

I will say this. Trump will put many blue states in play in the general. Places that are deeply red have no shot of turning Blue.

I definitely agree about the polling not meaning much right now, especially with the major blood bath during the primary. The season is far from over. It's only just begun, imo

We've only just begun to live
White race and promises
A kiss for luck and we're on our way
(We've only begun)

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Sure, if we are guessing, anything between 0 and 538 is a valid guess.

barfo

Nah. I'm "guessing" Hawaii votes for whoever the Democrats foist on us. That's a start.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Hell yes! Trump 2016 baby!

 

[Jade Falcon]

Jesus Christ, that was funny as fuck. Remind me why ANYONE in their right mind wants this lying hag to be president?

I mean, Bernie's full of bullshit. But at least he's honest about it.

And another reason not to like her:

I will say this. Trump will put many blue states in play in the general. Places that are deeply red have no shot of turning Blue.

I definitely agree about the polling not meaning much right now, especially with the major blood bath during the primary. The season is far from over. It's only just begun, imo

Well said. From now until November is going to be very interesting indeed.

 

[Denny Crane]

I mean, Bernie's full of bullshit. But at least he's honest about it.

For the cultists: why do people hate her, think she's a liar, etc., but not Bernie and many many others? It's not just the D next to her name.

 

[Jade Falcon]

For the cultists: why do people hate her, think she's a liar, etc., but not Bernie and many many others? It's not just the D next to her name.

I have no interest in debating this subject at this particular time beyond simply saying this: there's a difference from being a liar like Hillary, who denies she ever did anything bad/flip-flopped/lied/made mistakes, etc...and being just plain out of touch with reality and basic Economics 101, like Bernie.

Wanna call Bernie "naive"? Sure. But a liar? I don't see it. Not on the scale of Hillary.

 

[Denny Crane]

When John Kerry ran, he was painted as a flip-flopper, but not a liar.

Obama and Pelosi/Reid lied us into a still unpopular health care scam. But still, they're not considered liars like Hilar is.

They claim W lied us into war but nothing Hiliar can do is lying.

 

[Denny Crane]

I wrote in a post somewhere that the RCP average of polls had Hiliar over Trump by over 10 points a while back, then it was 9.9, then 9.3.

Now it's 8.5.



The republican I like best of the 17 who started is Kasich, and he looks to be the most electable candidate against Hiliar.

 

[barfo]

I wrote in a post somewhere that the RCP average of polls had Hiliar over Trump by over 10 points a while back, then it was 9.9, then 9.3.

Now it's 8.5.

Four years ago today, Obama led Romney by 1.8%.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Four years ago today, Obama led Romney by 1.8%.

barfo

Says a lot about two things. Romney is a shitty campaigner, though the better executive of the two. And a $billion+ in campaign funds plus all the $FREE anti-Romney coverage by the impartial press worked.

Benghazi was a huge story. The press made a huge deal out of "binders of women" rather than report on a foreign policy disaster.

 

[barfo]

Says a lot about two things. Romney is a shitty campaigner, though the better executive of the two. And a $billion+ in campaign funds plus all the $FREE anti-Romney coverage by the impartial press worked.

Benghazi was a huge story. The press made a huge deal out of "binders of women" rather than report on a foreign policy disaster.

Also, if you unskew the polls, Trump is ahead by 10 points right now.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Also, if you unskew the polls, Trump is ahead by 10 points right now.

barfo

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/

 

[barfo]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/

Yep. But other people being wrong doesn't make you right.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Yep. But other people being wrong doesn't make you right.

barfo

The polls were skewed.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158519/romney-obama-gallup-final-election-survey.aspx

(that's with the skew, too)

On election day, republicans stayed home more than they said they would when polled.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/07/chuck-todd-republican-voters_n_1946586.html

Republicans have an “across the board” enthusiasm advantage over Democrats in NBC’s polls that is the opposite of how the electorate looked four years ago.

Skewing the polls and reporting those results can discourage people from going out to vote. Why bother if the polls tell you you're going to be voting for the loser?

 

[barfo]

The polls were skewed.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158519/romney-obama-gallup-final-election-survey.aspx

(that's with the skew, too)

On election day, republicans stayed home more than they said they would when polled.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/07/chuck-todd-republican-voters_n_1946586.html

Republicans have an “across the board” enthusiasm advantage over Democrats in NBC’s polls that is the opposite of how the electorate looked four years ago.

Skewing the polls and reporting those results can discourage people from going out to vote. Why bother if the polls tell you you're going to be voting for the loser?

Don't you vote for the loser every election?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Don't you vote for the loser every election?

barfo

I vote for the best person for the job. Since you don't... Well, you don't.

The reverse is true, too: if your guy is way ahead in the polls, why waste your time going to the polling location and vote?

 

[Denny Crane]

I wrote in a post somewhere that the RCP average of polls had Hiliar over Trump by over 10 points a while back, then it was 9.9, then 9.3.

Now it's 8.5.

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The republican I like best of the 17 who started is Kasich, and he looks to be the most electable candidate against Hiliar.

Now it's 7.3.

 

[Minstrel]

At this pace, Trump is going to be leading by 92 points by election day.

Wipeout.

 

[magnifier661]

Don't you vote for the loser every election?

barfo

If I'm not mistaken, Denny voted for Bush and he won.