Politics Enough with the Hillary cult: Her admirers ignore reality, dream of worshipping a queen

[Denny Crane]

Salon.com. Not a right wing site by far.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/21/eno..._ignore_reality_dream_of_worshipping_a_queen/

Clinton voters overlook money lust, shadowy surrogates, sociopathic policy shifts, horrific overseas record. Why?

CAMILLE PAGLIA

What is it with the Hillary cult?

As a lifelong Democrat who will be enthusiastically voting for Bernie Sanders in next week’s Pennsylvania primary, I have trouble understanding the fuzzy rosy filter through which Hillary fans see their champion. So much must be overlooked or discounted—from Hillary’s compulsive money-lust and her brazen indifference to normal rules to her conspiratorial use of shadowy surrogates and her sociopathic shape-shifting in policy positions for momentary expedience.

Hillary’s breathtaking lack of concrete achievements or even minimal initiatives over her long public career doesn’t faze her admirers a whit. They have a religious conviction of her essential goodness and blame her blank track record on diabolical sexist obstructionists. When at last week’s debate Hillary crassly blamed President Obama for the disastrous Libyan incursion that she had pushed him into, her acolytes hardly noticed. They don’t give a damn about international affairs—all that matters is transgender bathrooms and instant access to abortion.

I’m starting to wonder, given the increasing dysfunction of our democratic institutions, if the Hillary cult isn’t perhaps registering an atavistic longing for monarchy. Or perhaps it’s just a neo-pagan reversion to idolatry, as can be felt in the Little Italy street festival scene of The Godfather, Part II, where devout pedestrians pin money to the statue of San Rocco as it is carried by in procession. There was a strange analogy to that last week, when Sanders supporters satirically showered Hillary’s motorcade with dollar bills as she arrived at George Clooney’s luxe fund-raiser in Los Angeles.

 

[Denny Crane]

Camille Paglia sums it up pretty well.

Not that Trump has any achievements at all in the government sector.

 

[barfo]

Isn't it kind of funny for a Bernie supporter to be complaining about 'lack of concrete achievements'?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

She's spot on with the things she mentioned (money lust, shadow surrogates, sociopathic EVERYTHING, and horrific overseas record).

You've got one with a lack of achievements and another with a scary bad dangerous track record.

Some choice.

 

[Denny Crane]

More salon.com aweseomness.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/21/hil...ner_until_the_fbi_finishes_its_investigation/

Hillary’s primary success is a sham: Bernie Sanders will remain the true Democratic front-runner until the FBI finishes its Investigation

It's not over until the FBI clears Hillary Clinton— which it absolutely shouldn't

 

[jlprk]

Glad to have you on board, Denny! When did you turn against Wall Street and rich people?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Allegations of voter fraud follow Hillary Clinton campaign across nation

http://ktar.com/story/1029529/alleg...ollow-hillary-clinton-campaign-across-nation/

 

[Chris Craig]

 

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She released her tax returns from 2007-2014. $15 million in donations, $14.9 million of it to her own foundation and initiative. That's like if I took money from my wallet and put it in my bank account.

Crooked Hillary!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

She released her tax returns from 2007-2014. $15 million in donations, $14.9 million of it to her own foundation and initiative. That's like if I took money from my wallet and put it in my bank account.

Crooked Hillary!

That was my first thought but actually it's not crooked.

Bill Gates donates money to his foundation and then the foundation gives that money to other charities. That's what Hillary is doing with her foundation.

What is crooked is the Clinton Foundation does pay for a lot of her personal travel expenses. Fly to city X to give a $200,000 speech to some company and while there spend 5mins doing a photo opp at a kindergarten for the Clinton Foundation and the Foundation pays for the travel, limo and hotel stay.

That's not actually crooked, just scummy.

 

[-Ace-]

Are you sure that's where her money is going via the foundation?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Are you sure that's where her money is going via the foundation?

I'm not sure what you mean?

Has her foundation paid her traveling expenses? The article I read said it has. It can't now while she is running for president.

 

[-Ace-]

I meant is the money going to other charities through her foundation? Is there proof of that?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I meant is the money going to other charities through her foundation? Is there proof of that?

Yes, lots of proof. They are a legitimate foundation.

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/

(And for the record, posting that doesn't mean I like or support the Clinton Foundation or Hillary Clinton.)

 

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----Between 2009 and 2012, the Clinton Foundation raised over $500 million dollars according to a review of IRS documents by The Federalist (2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008). 15 percent of that, or $75 million, went towards programmatic grants. More than $25 million went to fund travel expenses. Nearly $110 million went toward employee salaries and benefits. $290 million during that period, nearly 60 percent of all money raised, was classified merely as 'other expenses.' Official IRS forms do not list cigar or dry-cleaning expenses as a specific line item. The Clinton Foundation may well be saving lives, but it seems odd that the costs of so many life-saving activities would be classified by the organization itself as just random, miscellaneous expenses.----

Interesting.

 

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Hahaha nice

 

[KingSpeed]

A cult is a relatively small group. Hillary supporters are in the majority.

 

[jlprk]

All rich people, and most upper middle class older people, have trusts. They put their income into them, and draw out expenses. The Clinton foundaton sounds like a big trust, except that some of its income is from people outside the family. It's very typical of rich people to have this, especally rich public ones.

 

[Denny Crane]

A cult is a relatively small group. Hillary supporters are in the majority.

There's no rule to the size of a cult.

Hiliar's supporters can't be in the majority, because they're not 50%+1 or more. They're not even 25%. In the primaries, it sure looks like Trump plus Cruz or Kasich or Rubio got more popular votes.

 

[Minstrel]

In the primaries, it sure looks like Trump plus Cruz or Kasich or Rubio got more popular votes.

If only that were meaningful.

Primary Turnout Means Nothing For The General Election

 

[Denny Crane]

If only that were meaningful.

Primary Turnout Means Nothing For The General Election

Hiliar will feel the bern when his voters stay home.

 

[Minstrel]

Hiliar will feel the bern when his voters stay home.

Far more likely that either Trump or non-Trump voters stay home (depending on whether Trump wins the nomination or not) than that Sanders voters do, especially if Trump or Cruz ends up the nominee on the other side. The Democratic primary has actually been less bitter than the 2008 primary between Clinton and Obama, with many Clinton supporters at the time saying they'd never vote for Obama. That didn't seem to hurt him, and that was in a cycle when the Republicans were far more normal. The Republican party this cycle is in the process of eating itself.

 

[Denny Crane]

Hiliar is no Obama. Her unfavorable ratings are sky high. If it ends up Trump, there will be one rock star in the race, like 2008. The rock star isn't Hiliar.

 

[Minstrel]

Yes, a rock star with the worst favorability in modern political history.

Outside of his home state, Trump doesn't even draw a majority of Republican support and has the worst favorability ratings among Republican candidates. Feel free to bet on that in the general election, when Republicans become less than half of the voting population.

I certainly agree that Clinton is no Obama. In fact, in a normal cycle, Clinton would probably be doomed in the general election. Fortunately for her and the Democrats, the Republicans seem set to nominate one of the worst candidates ever seen...and that's true whether it's Trump or Cruz.

Their other option is to rules-lawyer the nomination away from either and hand it to a "white knight," and blow up their party properly.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, a rock star with the worst favorability in modern political history.

Outside of his home state, Trump doesn't even draw a majority of Republican support and has the worst favorability ratings among Republican candidates. Feel free to bet on that in the general election, when Republicans become less than half of the voting population.

I certainly agree that Clinton is no Obama. In fact, in a normal cycle, Clinton would probably be doomed in the general election. Fortunately for her and the Democrats, the Republicans seem set to nominate one of the worst candidates ever seen...and that's true whether it's Trump or Cruz.

Their other option is to rules-lawyer the nomination away from either and hand it to a "white knight," and blow up their party properly.

There were 17 candidates. 16 of them split the "majority" of the votes.

What's for sure is virtually all the republicans and about half the democrats don't want to vote for Hiliar.

Unfortunately for us all, I think Trump will run away with the general election once he starts campaigning against Hiliar. He will do to her what he did to Jeb.

 

[barfo]

There were 17 candidates. 16 of them split the "majority" of the votes.

What's for sure is virtually all the republicans and about half the democrats don't want to vote for Hiliar.

You can reverse that and say the same for Trump. Virtually all the democrats and more than half the republicans don't want to vote for Trump.

Unfortunately for us all, I think Trump will run away with the general election once he starts campaigning against Hiliar. He will do to her what he did to Jeb.

We'll soon see.

barfo

 

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