Politics Enough with the Hillary cult: Her admirers ignore reality, dream of worshipping a queen

[Denny Crane]

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-birther-obama-119945

Trump: I'm still a birther

 

[barfo]

How can the head of the entire state department not know what information is classified or not? Do you find it weak sauce lame excuse that she claims she didn't know?

If so, that speaks to her incompetence as Secretary of State.

I am confident she has a working knowledge of classification. However, whether a particular bit of information is classified can be a judgement call, so it's possible to not know what someone else might decide. Especially what they might decide years in the future.

But, I wouldn't want to be accused of spinning, so:

I'm sure you are right. She's the devil incarnate and every word she's ever said is a soul-stealing lie. Her aim is to destroy the country and feast upon its flesh. We must stop her, even if it means ending all life on earth. Thank you, Denny, for leading this brave and principled fight against the horrible spectre of Hiliar!

barfo

 

[barfo]

Trump has repeatedly argued that the investigation into whether Clinton’s home brew server exposed classified information is far worse than anything Petraeus was guilty of.

That sentence doesn't say what the author meant to say.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I am confident she has a working knowledge of classification. However, whether a particular bit of information is classified can be a judgement call, so it's possible to not know what someone else might decide. Especially what they might decide years in the future.

But, I wouldn't want to be accused of spinning, so:

I'm sure you are right. She's the devil incarnate and every word she's ever said is a soul-stealing lie. Her aim is to destroy the country and feast upon its flesh. We must stop her, even if it means ending all life on earth. Thank you, Denny, for leading this brave and principled fight against the horrible spectre of Hiliar!

barfo

She was the secretary of state. Her judgement trumps all. So to speak.

Judgment call. Judging by the 2000+ classified emails they found, she has poor judgment.

 

[Denny Crane]

That sentence doesn't say what the author meant to say.

barfo

sprechen ze english?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Denny is on fire today.

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ecking-the-hillary-clinton-email-controversy/

Fact checking the Hillary Clinton email controversy

Look at all the Pinocchios they gave her.

 

[Denny Crane]

USA Today, March 22 2013

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...29/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-2aE15rA7XtYYhotvpZZWyg

Q&A: 'Guccifer' hacks Hillary Clinton's e-mails via aide's account

 

[barfo]

sprechen ze english?

Ja. And I'm pretty sure that Trump is not arguing that the investigation into Clinton's emails is worse than anything Petraeus did.

barfo

 

[barfo]

USA Today, March 22 2013

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...29/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-2aE15rA7XtYYhotvpZZWyg

Q&A: 'Guccifer' hacks Hillary Clinton's e-mails via aide's account

Or not:

U.S. officials also dismissed claims by a Romanian hacker now facing federal charges in Virginia that he was able to breach Clinton’s personal email server. The officials said investigators have found no evidence to support the assertion by Marcel Lehel Lazar to Fox News and others, and they believed if he had accessed Clinton’s emails, he would have released them — as he did when he got into accounts of other high-profile people.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Ja. And I'm pretty sure that Trump is not arguing that the investigation into Clinton's emails is worse than anything Petraeus did.

barfo

I'm pretty sure what they're investigating is worse.

 

[Denny Crane]

Or not:



barfo

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Only to spin doctors.

The first thing a hacker does when he gets into a system is remove all traces he's been there.

There are too numerous www pages by security companies about this.

http://www.pandasecurity.com/homeusers/security-info/types-malware/rootkit/



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit

Once installed, a rootkit takes active measures to obscure its presence within the host system through subversion or evasion of standard operating system security tools and APIsused for diagnosis, scanning, and monitoring. Rootkits achieve this by modifying the behavior of core parts of an operating system through loading code into other processes, the installation or modification of drivers, or kernel modules. Obfuscation techniques include concealing running processes from system-monitoring mechanisms and hiding system files and other configuration data.[60] It is not uncommon for a rootkit to disable the event logging capacity of an operating system, in an attempt to hide evidence of an attack. Rootkits can, in theory, subvert any operating system activities.[61] The "perfect rootkit" can be thought of as similar to a "perfect crime": one that nobody realizes has taken place.

 

[Minstrel]

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

That's true, but the legal system requires actual evidence. Absence of evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it makes for a pretty poor case.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's true, but the legal system requires actual evidence. Absence of evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it makes for a pretty poor case.

It really doesn't matter if it was hacked or not. Just having the server in the first place is negligence at best, nixonian at worst. The machine was outside the security measures of the government.

Negligence is enough to indict.

 

[Denny Crane]

It also doesn't matter if the information in the emails were marked secret.

 

[barfo]

It really doesn't matter if it was hacked or not.

Because, after all, the issue here is not national security. That doesn't matter.

What matters is that Hillary is a bad, bad woman and we don't like her.

barfo

 

[Stevenson]

More proof this is just the vast rightwing conspiracy spinning their shit -

Condi Rice used a private email server
So did Colin Powell
and so did the current Secretary of Defense Ash Carter

Really, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[Denny Crane]

More proof this is just the vast rightwing conspiracy spinning their shit -

Condi Rice used a private email server
So did Colin Powell
and so did the current Secretary of Defense Ash Carter

Really, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Powell is in trouble, too, even though he didn't use a private email account EXCLUSIVELY /ONLY for all his govt. business. You know the old saying, two wrongs don't make a right...

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/fbi-colin-powell-email-probe-218748

"The FBI has come to us," Powell said. Two FBI agents visited Powell late last year for a discussion an aide described as a casual conversation about email practices during his term as secretary from 2001 to 2005.

Ruh Roh:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804

The State Department has had a policy in place since 2005 to warn officials against routine use of personal email accounts for government work, a regulation in force during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state that appears to be at odds with her reliance on a private email for agency business, POLITICO has learned.

The policy, detailed in a manual for agency employees, adds clarity to an issue at the center of a growing controversy over Clinton’s reliance on a private email account. Aides to Clinton, as well as State Department officials, have suggested that she did nothing inappropriate because of fuzzy guidelines and lack of specific rules on when and how official documents had to be preserved during her years as secretary.

But the 2005 policy was described as one of several “clear cut” directives the agency’s own inspector general relied on to criticize the conduct of a U.S. ambassador who in 2012 was faulted for using email outside of the department’s official system.

“It is the Department’s general policy that normal day-to-day operations be conducted on an authorized [Automated Information System], which has the proper level of security control to provide nonrepudiation, authentication and encryption, to ensure confidentiality, integrity, and availability of the resident information,” the Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual states.

More Ruh Roh:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hat-everything-i-did-on-emails-was-permitted/

Hillary Clinton’s claim that ‘everything I did [on e-mails] was permitted’

In reality, Clinton’s decision to use a private e-mail system for official business was highly unusual and flouted State Department procedures, even if not expressly prohibited by law at the time. Moreover, while she claims “everything I did was permitted,” she appears to have not complied with the requirement to turn over her business-related e-mails before she left government service. That’s a major misstep that she has not acknowledged.

We wavered between Two and Three Pinocchios, but Clinton’s excessive spin finally tipped us toward Three. She goes too far in suggesting her actions were ordinary – -and did not stretch the limits of existing laws and regulations.

 

[Denny Crane]

Because, after all, the issue here is not national security. That doesn't matter.

What matters is that Hillary is a bad, bad woman and we don't like her.

barfo

What matters is what's written in the law she broke. It doesn't require the material on her server to be classified to be a crime, nor does it require any intent.

So when you see discussion of classified vs. not classified, or intent, it's a smoke screen.

Her attempt to wipe the server clean is obstruction of justice. It is a crime to destroy evidence that is subject to even potential subpoena.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

What matters is what's written in the law she broke. It doesn't require the material on her server to be classified to be a crime, nor does it require any intent.

So when you see discussion of classified vs. not classified, or intent, it's a smoke screen.

Her attempt to wipe the server clean is obstruction of justice. It is a crime to destroy evidence that is subject to even potential subpoena.

Have these guys even watched the videos of her lieing about this? Its so obvious shes trying to cover shit up. What that shit it, idk, but it makes me not trust her thats for sure.

 

[Denny Crane]

Have these guys even watched the videos of her lieing about this? Its so obvious shes trying to cover shit up. What that shit it, idk, but it makes me not trust her thats for sure.

It's been the Clinton M.O. all along. When busted, lie. When the lie is debunked, try a different lie. Delay, delay, delay. And expect their apologists to spin away the crime.

Like "it was just a blowjob." The man made a very public pronouncement, "I did not have sex with that woman." He obviously did. "He wasn't found guilty." It was a civil thing, he was sued by Paula Jones. He settled with her for $950,000 and was disbarred.

I am willing to give credit where credit is due. I did like Clinton as president, he was one of the best ever.

But he abused his office to obstruct justice (Jones' day in court). That's simply unacceptable, blow job or not.

One of the emails they found on her server had satellite images and detailed intel. It obviously was top secret information. How could the woman not know?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

It's been the Clinton M.O. all along. When busted, lie. When the lie is debunked, try a different lie. Delay, delay, delay. And expect their apologists to spin away the crime.

Like "it was just a blowjob." The man made a very public pronouncement, "I did not have sex with that woman." He obviously did. "He wasn't found guilty." It was a civil thing, he was sued by Paula Jones. He settled with her for $950,000 and was disbarred.

I am willing to give credit where credit is due. I did like Clinton as president, he was one of the best ever.

But he abused his office to obstruct justice (Jones' day in court). That's simply unacceptable, blow job or not.

One of the emails they found on her server had satellite images and detailed intel. It obviously was top secret information. How could the woman not know?

Could not agree with you more.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'd add that lying in such a public manner as he did, thwarted the investigation into his wrongdoing. That is exactly one of the offenses Nixon was charged with in the impeachment documents (he resigned just before being impeached). Specifically, lying to government officials. Clinton lied to everyone, including government officials.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...e-information-classification-column/82446130/

Since the beginning of the Clinton email scandal, the nation has been subjected to a political and criminal defense generated smokescreen. The Clinton campaign has attempted to make the public believe that she is not guilty of anything because the information on her very unprotected server was not “marked as classified” or “classified at the time.”

The applicable statute, 18 USC 793, however, does not even once mention the word “classified.” The focus is on “information respecting the national defense” that potentially “could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.” 793 (f) specifically makes it a crime for anyone “entrusted with … any document ... or information relating to the national defense … through gross negligence (to permit) the same to be removed from its proper place of custody.” A jury (not a Democrat or Republican political administration) is, of course, the best body to determine gross negligence on the facts of this case.

The courts have held repeatedly that “national defense information” includes closely held military, foreign policy and intelligence information and that evidence that the information is classified is not necessary for a prosecution. Evidence that the information was upon later review found to be classified, however, as is the case with approximately 2,000 Clinton messages, is of course one kind of proof that the information met the test of “national defense information” in the first place. (See U.S. v. Rosen and Weissman, 445 F. Supp. 2d 602 (E.D. Va. 2006) pertaining to a different provision but containing a good summary of law on national defense information and classified information.) The fact that the information does not have to be “marked classified” at the time only makes sense because sometimes, as in the case of the Clinton case and other 793 cases, the information is originated and distributed before any security officer can perform a review and put a classification mark on it.

 

[Stevenson]

It's been the Clinton M.O. all along. When busted, lie. When the lie is debunked, try a different lie. Delay, delay, delay. And expect their apologists to spin away the crime.

Like "it was just a blowjob." The man made a very public pronouncement, "I did not have sex with that woman." He obviously did. "He wasn't found guilty." It was a civil thing, he was sued by Paula Jones. He settled with her for $950,000 and was disbarred.

For the record, in the Paula Jones suit, "sex" was specifically defined as sexual intercourse. So, per the case he ways in, he did not have "sex" with that woman. You may not like his lawyerly was, but what he said was legally/factually true in the case at hand. And I bet you certainly would like your lawyer acting lawyerly when YOUR job is on the line. And also, by the way, that definition was written by Paula Jones' lawyers.

 

[Denny Crane]

He was sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Whole truth be damned!

It depends on what the meaning "is" is.

Apology noted.

He paid her $950K and was disbarred from SCOTUS and suspended 5 years from Arkansas. Seems the "innocent" man isn't at all what you make him out to be. He was impeached and not removed from office. It was partisan that he wasn't censured.

 

[Denny Crane]

And this is obstruction of justice:

 

[Stevenson]

Washington Post:

"Prosecutors and FBI agents investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server have so far found scant evidence that the leading Democratic presidential candidate intended to break classification rules, though they are still probing the case aggressively with an eye on interviewing Clinton herself, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter."

And, for the record, Bill was indeed sworn to tell the truth. If the lawyers in the case stipulated that sex means intercourse, then he most certainly did tell the truth. That's why he was found not guilty in his impeachment trial for the perjury charge.

 

[Denny Crane]

Intentional or not, the law says she committed a crime, if not several.

Clinton was held in contempt of court for his lie, specifically the one you cite. He was fined $90K+ and referred to the Arkanas bar, who suspended him for 5 years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/contempt041399.htm

A federal judge yesterday held President Clinton in contempt of court for giving "intentionally false" testimony about his relationship with Monica S. Lewinsky in the Paula Jones lawsuit, marking the first time that a sitting president has been sanctioned for disobeying a court order.

In a biting, 32-page opinion, U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright of Arkansas said Clinton gave "false, misleading and evasive answers that were designed to obstruct the judicial process" in Jones's sexual harassment lawsuit. She specifically cited Clinton's assertions that he was never alone with Lewinsky and that he did not have a sexual relationship with the former White House intern.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jul/30/news/mn-61021

Clinton Fined $90,686 for Lying in Paula Jones Case


Oh my. The facts haven't been rewritten yet, I see.

Because he was sitting president, this is the most the judge felt she could constitutionally do. Anyone else would have gone to jail, and/or charged with perjury.