ESPN is trolling again

[jlprk]

Sorry if this was addressed earlier, but here's an interesting note. Davis played more games in his rookie year than Brandon Roy did.

And Roy won. Great point about Davis getting a vote or three.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Davis is 19 years old, too.

Doesn't matter WRT to ROY. It's based on performance, not potential. Davis may very well end up with a Hall of Fame career, but not based on his rookie year. Greg Oden's rookie per 36 stats were similar, his second year stats were better. Here's hoping Davis has a far longer, far less injury prone career.

Lillard may get MVP votes.

If the Blazers would have made the playoffs, he probably would have, but with the team back in the lottery, probably not this year. Maybe in the future...

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Did these guys just not watch Dame play this year? Are they basing their entire argument on advanced stats?

Jeremy Gordon, Brooklyn's Finest: Damian Lillard. A sentimental pick, sort of; the statistical arguments for Anthony Davis are on point. Still, Lillard is second in the league in minutes played, and surely there's merit in having been here all season and competing for a brief, eventually abandoned playoff push. Davis should own the league for years to come, but Lillard's been the most present rookie this season.

Sentimental pick? Really? So all Dame did was play the whole season and he deserves the award? That's it? Nothing else?

Beckley Mason, ESPN.com: Damian Lillard, but just barely. We have all kinds of ways to measure efficiency, and Anthony Davis outclasses Lillard in virtually all of them. What's tougher to analyze is degree of difficulty. At 22, Lillard may have been better equipped to handle his heavy burden than any rookie in his class, but age isn't anything but a number in this award, and he deserves kudos for performing the role of franchise player admirably and with consistency from day one.

Just barely? Okay. I seriously think these guys read that Bleacher Report bozo and they started to drink the coolaid.

Danny Nowell, Portland Roundball Soc.: Damian Lillard. I think the call between Lillard and Anthony Davis is closer than most believe; Davis has been excellent this year, hyper-efficient and playing more games than he gets credit for. Still, Lillard has been Portland's primary orchestrator in a surprisingly competitive campaign.

Close call eh? I guess we'll see. If Davis can win ROY without winning a single rookie of the month, that would be impressive.

Jack Winter, Warriors World: Damian Lillard. His performance this season has been a bit overvalued because of low expectations, but no first-year player had more responsibility this season, and Lillard delivered by showing a floor game well beyond his years and rare endurance/durability. He might never be a superstar, but Lillard is at the very least a great building block; in this class -- let alone at the No. 6 pick -- that's a home run.

Have these guys seen the list of accomplishments that Dame has done this year? I mean, seriously, it's like they're sold on the idea that Dame put up a few points and played the whole year, now he deserves the award. It's just nuts.

 

[Rhal]

Did these guys just not watch Dame play this year? Are they basing their entire argument on advanced stats?



Sentimental pick? Really? So all Dame did was play the whole season and he deserves the award? That's it? Nothing else?



Just barely? Okay. I seriously think these guys read that Bleacher Report bozo and they started to drink the coolaid.



Close call eh? I guess we'll see. If Davis can win ROY without winning a single rookie of the month, that would be impressive.



Have these guys seen the list of accomplishments that Dame has done this year? I mean, seriously, it's like they're sold on the idea that Dame put up a few points and played the whole year, now he deserves the award. It's just nuts.

It really seems that they read that one guys article and took it to heart. Glad none of these clowns have a vote.

 

[NOVoodoo]

Did these guys just not watch Dame play this year? Are they basing their entire argument on advanced stats?



Sentimental pick? Really? So all Dame did was play the whole season and he deserves the award? That's it? Nothing else?



Just barely? Okay. I seriously think these guys read that Bleacher Report bozo and they started to drink the coolaid.



Close call eh? I guess we'll see. If Davis can win ROY without winning a single rookie of the month, that would be impressive.



Have these guys seen the list of accomplishments that Dame has done this year? I mean, seriously, it's like they're sold on the idea that Dame put up a few points and played the whole year, now he deserves the award. It's just nuts.

Sure enough, on the latest 5-on-5, one of the guys I that I know who really doesn't know jack about the game is the first guy they have commenting on ROY, and he picked Davis.

Some odd foreshadowing -

Like I've said before, in today's era of blogging and ESPN pulling guys straight off these half-ass websites, it's becoming harder and harder to trust anyone's opinions on ESPN. I know two former fraternity brothers who write for an ESPN affiliate, and their stuff's always getting on the ESPN main page. One of the guys didn't even really start watching basketball more than casually until college though. Didn't you used to have to have a reputable journalism degree and years of experience working in the industry before breaking through to ESPN?

and then, sure enough, guess who they get in the 5-on-5, picking Anthony Davis -

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-130416/nba-2013-rookie-year

 

[Natebishop3]

It sure seems like ESPN is trying to chink away at his armor, putting the thought out there that it's closer than it is and that the only reason why Dame is the front runner is because he played the whole season. Pretty fucking ridiculous.

 

[Rhal]

It sure seems like ESPN is trying to chink away at his armor, putting the thought out there that it's closer than it is and that the only reason why Dame is the front runner is because he played the whole season. Pretty fucking ridiculous.

They did the same thing with evans and with irving but not with Griffen (surprise surprise). Trying to create controversy we're there really is none for rating purposes. Pisses me off.

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[Natebishop3]

They did the same thing with evans and with irving but not with Griffen (surprise surprise). Trying to create controversy we're there really is none for rating purposes. Pisses me off.

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Griffin's rookie numbers were just unreal though. Something like 22 and 12. That's nuts.

 

[Denny Crane]

If the Blazers would have made the playoffs, he probably would have, but with the team back in the lottery, probably not this year. Maybe in the future...

BNM

MVP means different things to different people. Given that the voters get to give 1st thru 5th most valuable player votes, I can see Lillard getting some votes. He is most valuable to his team. Regardless of their record, it would be far worse if you removed him from the team - a criteria for determining "value"

 

[illmatic99]

There were dumbasses that gave first place votes to Faried, Shumpert, and Kawhi Leonard last year. I expect similar stupidity this year. The whole unanimous thing is pointless.

 

[Masbee]

Griffin's rookie numbers were just unreal though. Something like 22 and 12. That's nuts.

22 & 9.

Big difference. Still very good and deserving of runaway ROY.

However, because of his year out with injury, Blake was competing with a pretty weak and raw draft class: Wall; Turner; Favors; Wes Johnson; Cousins; Udoh; Monroe, etc.

 

[Natebishop3]

22 & 9.

Big difference. Still very good and deserving of runaway ROY.

However, because of his year out with injury, Blake was competing with a pretty weak and raw draft class: Wall; Turner; Favors; Wes Johnson; Cousins; Udoh; Monroe, etc.

Where are you getting 22 and 9?

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2010-11 21 LAC NBA PF 82 82 38.0 8.5 16.8 .506 0.1 0.3 .292 5.4 8.5 .642 3.3 8.8 12.1 3.8 0.8 0.5 2.7 3.1 22.5

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/griffbl01.html

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Where are you getting 22 and 9?

Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2010-11 21 LAC NBA PF 82 82 38.0 8.5 16.8 .506 0.1 0.3 .292 5.4 8.5 .642 3.3 8.8 12.1 3.8 0.8 0.5 2.7 3.1 22.5

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/griffbl01.html

Maybe he was only looking at defensive rebounds for some reason.

 

[Natebishop3]

Maybe he was only looking at defensive rebounds for some reason.

That's what I was thinking. 8.8 is close to 9

 

[Masbee]

Oops. Sorry.

You are right. 12 per game. Much better than 9.

 

[Natebishop3]

Oops. Sorry.

You are right. 12 per game. Much better than 9.

It makes you wonder what happened to him though. His numbers have steadily declined every year since. He's nowhere near as effective, which is weird because usually Chris Paul inflates the stats of his teammates.

 

[Denny Crane]

It makes you wonder what happened to him though. His numbers have steadily declined every year since. He's nowhere near as effective, which is weird because usually Chris Paul inflates the stats of his teammates.

He's not the only guy on the team anymore.

 

[Natebishop3]

He's not the only guy on the team anymore.

I could understand his scoring going down, but his rebounds? He averages 4 less now than he did as a rookie.

 

[Denny Crane]

I could understand his scoring going down, but his rebounds? He averages 4 less now than he did as a rookie.

Minutes went from 38 -> 36.2 -> 32.5

 

[Natebishop3]

Minutes went from 38 -> 36.2 -> 32.5

Ah, so you subscribe to the inflated minutes = inflated numbers theory as well

 

[Denny Crane]

Ah, so you subscribe to the inflated minutes = inflated numbers theory as well

I think his teammates (and he) make more shots so there's less rebound opportunities

 

[RR7]

His TRB% has gone down every season, so it's not just a less minutes issue, and not just a making more shots issue.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Chad Ford and Henry Abbott picked Anthony Davis as their rookie of the year.. WTF

 

[julius]

Chad Ford and Henry Abbott picked Anthony Davis as their rookie of the year.. WTF

I know that he's in the same conference as Damian, but the fact he didn't win a SINGLE ROtM for the Western Conference seems to suggest that voting for him just smells like a vote to be difficult.

Not saying Davis won't have a solid career, or might end up being a bigger name/player than Damian, but I find it hard to accept that it's a vote for anything other then just being difficult/different.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

 

[RR7]

Did Abbott do it just to not look like a Blazer homer?

 

[julius]

Did Abbott do it just to not look like a Blazer homer?

Bingo, Bongo, Bango, Baby!

 

[BrianFromWA]

Did Abbott do it just to not look like a Blazer homer?

I keep saying this, but he's been doing it for about 4-5 years now. It's not new, it's not funny and it's colored how I read anything from him.

No offense, of course, but it's been old for a long time now. "Check out how un-biased I am even though I'm from Portland."

 

[TripTango]

Bingo, Bongo, Bango, Baby!

Are you joking, or did you actually just butcher the Schonz? Everyone knows that it's bango before bongo.

 

[PapaG]

Are you joking, or did you actually just butcher the Schonz? Everyone knows that it's bango before bongo.

...except after 'c'.