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[PapaG]

I don't disagree, but why trade him now when he's under cheap team control for three more years?

I'm not saying I'd trade him as part of a VC deal, but I wouldn't call him untouchable either. And I'd think long and hard about the VC deal with Rudy.

 

[Tortimer]

Rudy is overrated by many members of this board. I'm sure I'll get killed again for this, but ultimately he isn't a SF and he won't supplant Roy at SG.

I agree Rudy is a little overrated but I just wouldn't trade him for an old VC and that huge contract. VC is only going to give us at most a couple years and I doubt we will be in the finals but maybe in a couple years. I just think Rudy has to much value and if your going to trade RLEC and Rudy you need to get someone that can help us for the future when we are ready to compete for championships. Also fuck Thorn and I wouldn't want to give him more then his player is worth.

 

[B-Roy]

I agree Rudy is a little overrated but I just wouldn't trade him for an old VC and that huge contract. VC is only going to give us at most a couple years and I doubt we will be in the finals but maybe in a couple years. I just think Rudy has to much value and if your going to trade RLEC and Rudy you need to get someone that can help us for the future when we are ready to compete for championships. Also fuck Thorn and I wouldn't want to give him more then his player is worth.

Rudy for VC = No.

But for someone like Butler, I think you'd have to do it.

 

[Entity]

Rudy's not going to be in that deal. If Thorn is going to be holding out for that, this deal is dead.

 

[Tortimer]

Rudy for VC = No.

But for someone like Butler, I think you'd have to do it.

I agree and would love that trade. I'm not sure KP would do the trade but it depends how much he likes Butler. I love Butler's game and think we would be a much better team.

 

[BIG Q]

Knowing that piece of shit Thorn, he would agree to a deal just befire the deadline and then after it passes recind the deal because Raef has a bum shoulder!

The moral to the story is to not trust that piece of shit and have the physical waiver in advance. He pulled that crap on us with SAR, he will do it again.

 

[Tortimer]

Knowing that piece of shit Thorn, he would agree to a deal just befire the deadline and then after it passes recind the deal because Raef has a bum shoulder!

The moral to the story is to not trust that piece of shit and have the physical waiver in advance. He pulled that crap on us with SAR, he will do it again.

I agree and I hope KP fuck's him over this time and he is stuck with VC.

 

[PapaG]

Knowing that piece of shit Thorn, he would agree to a deal just befire the deadline and then after it passes recind the deal because Raef has a bum shoulder!

The moral to the story is to not trust that piece of shit and have the physical waiver in advance. He pulled that crap on us with SAR, he will do it again.

That's a really good point. I can see him putting his finger in the wind after the deal and then backing out when he is berated. I think Rudy Fernandez would put the deal over the top, however.

Imagine Roy/Carter/Outlaw/LMA/Oden on the floor at the end of a game. Who do you double?

 

[Tortimer]

That's a really good point. I can see him putting his finger in the wind after the deal and then backing out when he is berated. I think Rudy Fernandez would put the deal over the top, however.

Imagine Roy/Carter/Outlaw/LMA/Oden on the floor at the end of a game. Who do you double?

I don't care who they double and don't want VC especially if we give Thorn Rudy which we can trade for a better younger player with RLEC. Fuck Thorn and NJ.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Portland should take Nazr and Wallace. If we can do that while just giving up Raef and pieces, you have to do it.

Who knows, maybe Nazr comes in and produces a little. He had some decent seasons in the past. Maybe he can round back into game shape.

 

[LameR]

Portland should take Nazr and Wallace. If we can do that while just giving up Raef and pieces, you have to do it.

Who knows, maybe Nazr comes in and produces a little. He had some decent seasons in the past. Maybe he can round back into game shape.

This is kind of what I'm thinking as well. If we could somehow do it without getting rid of Bayless/Rudy/Batum, maybe by giving them picks and the trade exception, we gotta do it. Wouldn't Nazr be able to fill backup PF?

 

[PapaG]

I don't care who they double and don't want VC especially if we give Thorn Rudy which we can trade for a better younger player with RLEC. Fuck Thorn and NJ.

I agree in that Carter is aging, but if I felt that Carter can help this team win a title while he's here, I wouldn't let personal feelings get in the way of making a deal.

 

[rocketeer]

That's a really good point. I can see him putting his finger in the wind after the deal and then backing out when he is berated. I think Rudy Fernandez would put the deal over the top, however.

Imagine Roy/Carter/Outlaw/LMA/Oden on the floor at the end of a game. Who do you double?

of course, wouldn't you rather have roy/rudy/vince/aldridge/oden?

i don't see the blazers trading rudy(or bayless or batum). it would have to be for a very good player who is part of the longterm future. vince fits one of those, but not the other.

 

[VivaRipCity]

I don't disagree, but why trade him now when he's under cheap team control for three more years?

Exactly, and the same with batum. For what you get from him...he is dirt cheap. Not worth it. Even if he was on your bench he's still cheap but for a starter he is a complete steal.

 

[PapaG]

of course, wouldn't you rather have roy/rudy/vince/aldridge/oden?

i don't see the blazers trading rudy(or bayless or batum). it would have to be for a very good player who is part of the longterm future. vince fits one of those, but not the other.

No. Rudy hasn't proven crap in the clutch and failed horribly on the one buzzer shot I remember him shooting this season. That doesn't mean I'll bash the guy every day, however.

 

[MIXUM]

bottomline....after tonight...we know 1 thing....

a trade is an abolute must. this current team isnt making the playoffs like i said in freaking november.

 

[Samuel]

Thorn doesn't have the leverage to ask for Rudy. He has less than 24 hours to save his owner $30MM. Tick-tock tick-tock.

You speak the truth.

 

[Tortimer]

bottomline....after tonight...we know 1 thing....

a trade is an abolute must. this current team isnt making the playoffs like i said in freaking november.

I think if Oden isn't out to long we probably still make the playoffs without a trade but it would be nice to get a real good SF but worry about our backup PF after trading Outlaw.

 

[rocketeer]

bottomline....after tonight...we know 1 thing....

a trade is an abolute must. this current team isnt making the playoffs like i said in freaking november.

why is that something we know after tonight? another fools gold win?

 

[LameR]

bottomline....after tonight...we know 1 thing....

a trade is an abolute must. this current team isnt making the playoffs like i said in freaking november.

The standings right now disagree with you, but I do think a trade getting rid of Outlaw and Sergio with RLEC will be beneficial. Maybe Webster too if coming in is a younger SF.

 

[B-Roy]

Tonight was actually a pretty big indication on how much we've come to rely on Oden's presence.

 

[LameR]

New point as of 10:41...

I'm also hearing that the Nets and Blazers were negotiating late into the night over Vince Carter. One of the hang-ups now is Portland's insistence that the Nets include the 2011 first-round pick the Nets acquired from the Golden State Warriors in any deal for Carter.

It's pretty tough at the moment to get a handle on what the Blazers are doing. They talked to Bucks, Bobcats and the Nets on Wednesday. And one source insists there's still a possibility that the Blazers don't do anything.

 

[MAS RipCity]

that 2011 pick could be LEGIT

 

[free_lafrentz]

New point as of 10:41...

Ahhh beat me to it...

 

[B-Roy]

New point as of 10:41...

Don't get stingy.....

 

[alex42083]

Pretty funny listening to the Fifth Quarter, they went through all the trades and Antonio Harvey shut down Richard Jefferson because he doesn't bring us anything that any of our current players do, and he believes Vince Carter doesn't bring it every night and they basically said NO trade.

 

[Samuel]

That's a 12-pick as it stands. Another Blazer must be involved besides Sergio/Frye/Outlaw/Raef to make KP demand another pick from the deal, right?

 

[Minstrel]

That's a 12-pick as it stands.

2011 pick...so that's still two years into the future.

Another Blazer must be involved besides Sergio/Frye/Outlaw/Raef to make KP demand another pick from the deal, right?

According to another report, "teams" are trying to squeeze Thorn for picks in addition to Carter just being dumped for expiring contracts.

 

[e_blazer]

bottomline....after tonight...we know 1 thing....

a trade is an abolute must. this current team isnt making the playoffs like i said in freaking november.

The thing that you never seem to quite get is that the Blazers' number one objective isn't making the playoffs this year; it's putting the team in the best position to contend for multiple titles 2-3 years down the road. If they can find a trade before the deadline that helps achieve that AND helps make the playoffs this year, so much the better. Just making a trade to increase the odds of making the playoffs this year, but at the expense of the team's longer term chances, IMO, isn't going to happen.

 

[HailBlazers]

Nice try, your talking to a wall