OT ESPY speech

[Mediocre Man]

What did you all think? I thought it was really good. Great job by 4 high profile athletes that a lot of people look up to, to get up on the stage and preach peace and love.

 

[crandc]

Is there a link? I missed ESPYs this year.

 

[Mediocre Man]

 

[Mediocre Man]

Also, the jacket Craig Sager had on last night, may have been an all time great. Roses and Leopards? Out(fucking)standing

 

[Pinwheel1]

It was well written and well spoken. But what are they going to do? Fixing the "distrust" will take decades. What solutions can be taken now?

I think the Police need to come up with a second option to incapacitate criminals. They need to carry guns for certain situations, but I would think they could come up with some new high powered tranquilizer gun. I realize the current ones have flaws, but you would think with all our technology over the years we could create a weapon that works a little better. Most of the recent events have been at close range, which should make it easier.

We just can't keep killing people we think might be bad. But on the other hand we can't send our police into situations where they can't defend themselves. I think better technology is the best answer, at least in the short term.

 

[Cippy91]

THIS is the reason I stopped watching the espys. The regressive left. First it was Caitlyn Jenner, now let's get these NBA players up here to keep talking about it. That's all that the media does. More talking, creating divide. No action. People are so misinformed, they just think police officers are out there to kill blacks forgetting these guys got families too. Yeah, there are racist cops but not as many as social media will tell you. To me, the greatest issue the black community should be worried about is the insane number at which blacks
Kill each other at and the insane number of violent crimes blacks commit. im not saying these killings are justified because some aren't but come on. This shit gets old. Maybe if people would just stop bringing race into every fucking conversation we could get somewhere. We have had a black president for 8 years yet people still say it's like the 60's. Look at all the people who protested in Portland a week ago, pretty much all white people. Fuck
The espys

 

[Cippy91]

And some people call Barkley an idiot which sometimes he can be but he said some shit I agree with word for word

 

[Mediocre Man]

It was well written and well spoken. But what are they going to do? Fixing the "distrust" will take decades. What solutions can be taken now?

I think the Police need to come up with a second option to incapacitate criminals. They need to carry guns for certain situations, but I would think they could come up with some new high powered tranquilizer gun. I realize the current ones have flaws, but you would think with all our technology over the years we could create a weapon that works a little better. Most of the recent events have been at close range, which should make it easier.

We just can't keep killing people we think might be bad. But on the other hand we can't send our police into situations where they can't defend themselves. I think better technology is the best answer, at least in the short term.

I think it takes communication. Having black athletes get up and speak about this is huge. Yes, the black people that were killed is a travesty, but so are the cops that were killed. It needs to be said, and they said it well.

On a slightly side note, the Dallas police chief, who is black, had a great speech
Dallas Police Department Chief David Brown wants protesters to know he’s got jobs for them.

“We’re hiring,” he told reporters Monday in response to a question about what advice he’d give young black men.

“Get off that protest line and put an application in, and we’ll put you in your neighborhood, and we will help you resolve some of the problems you’re protesting about.”

 

[blue9]

Better training. Police forces in other countries are trained to take down hostile - even armed - threats in non-lethal ways. But from the very beginning of American law enforcement it's been our lazy policy to shoot first and ask questions later. Any time a police officer discharges a weapon in a situation where a civilian life isn't directly at risk, that officer needs to be prosecuted. James Bond's "license to kill" is suppose to be fiction, but we've literally handed out 1 million+ actual licenses to kill to an under-educated and under-trained segment of society.

But the problem isn't just a police problem - the police are just the caboose on a long train of a problem.

 

[Boob-No-More]

THIS is the reason I stopped watching the espys. The regressive left. First it was Caitlyn Jenner, now let's get these NBA players up here to keep talking about it. That's all that the media does. More talking, creating divide. No action. People are so misinformed, they just think police officers are out there to kill blacks forgetting these guys got families too. Yeah, there are racist cops but not as many as social media will tell you. To me, the greatest issue the black community should be worried about is the insane number at which blacks
Kill each other at and the insane number of violent crimes blacks commit. im not saying these killings are justified because some aren't but come on. This shit gets old. Maybe if people would just stop bringing race into every fucking conversation we could get somewhere. We have had a black president for 8 years yet people still say it's like the 60's. Look at all the people who protested in Portland a week ago, pretty much all white people. Fuck
The espys

Did you actually listen to the speech? Yeah, it's just words, but they spoke out in favor of the police and against retaliation. It didn't sound divisive to me at all.

BNM

 

[Mediocre Man]

Did you actually listen to the speech? Yeah, it's just words, but they spoke out in favor of the police and against retaliation. It didn't sound divisive to me at all.

BNM

My guess is no

 

[Cippy91]

My guess is no

I listened to it. Dwayne wade barely brings up black on black violence. It's the victim card the whole way

 

[Cippy91]

Better training. Police forces in other countries are trained to take down hostile - even armed - threats in non-lethal ways. But from the very beginning of American law enforcement it's been our lazy policy to shoot first and ask questions later. Any time a police officer discharges a weapon in a situation where a civilian life isn't directly at risk, that officer needs to be prosecuted. James Bond's "license to kill" is suppose to be fiction, but we've literally handed out 1 million+ actual licenses to kill to an under-educated and under-trained segment of society.

But the problem isn't just a police problem - the police are just the caboose on a long train of a problem.

Police in other countries aren't dealing with the type of crazy we got here though. If I'm an officer with a family and somebody reaches for their gun, I'm pulling the trigger, I don't care what color you are. And if anybody in here thinks they would do otherwise in the situation, you're lying to yourself

 

[blue9]

I listened to it. Dwayne wade barely brings up black on black violence. It's the victim card the whole way

#alllivesmatter

 

[blue9]

Police in other countries aren't dealing with the type of crazy we got here though. If I'm an officer with a family and somebody reaches for their gun, I'm pulling the trigger, I don't care what color you are. And if anybody in here thinks they would do otherwise in the situation, you're lying to yourself

Then people like you shouldn't be signing up to be police officers.
Never mind the fact that the vast majority of these slayings haven't involved the "suspect" reaching for a gun.

 

[blue9]

Also, never mind the fact that armed white guys are being treated with far more patience and taken away in cuffs rather than body bags. But yeah, let's forget that and instead focus on "black on black" crime.

 

[Cippy91]

Then people like you shouldn't be signing up to be police officers.
Never mind the fact that the vast majority of these slayings haven't involved the "suspect" reaching for a gun.

Never said I was signing up to be one, you're just in denial my friend. Dude in Louisiana had a gun. Mike brown strong armed an Indian man in a convenience store and stole some shit right before the altercation with the cop, if that doesn't tell you about his character and ability to pull some bully type shit on a cop then I don't know what to think.

 

[Cippy91]

Also, never mind the fact that armed white guys are being treated with far more patience and taken away in cuffs rather than body bags. But yeah, let's forget that and instead focus on "black on black" crime.

You say black on black crime like it's not real, that's cute. White people get killed by cops but guess what? The media has an agenda to create race wars and you are falling right into it.

 

[Duckhook]

Also, never mind the fact that armed white guys are being treated with far more patience and taken away in cuffs rather than body bags. But yeah, let's forget that and instead focus on "black on black" crime.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but...

 

[Cippy91]

I think a lot of people just ride the bandwagon. people these days love trendy shit. They love to think that they are the new civil rights movement. MLK is rolling over in his grave right now. HE actually fought for some shit. The people today just wanna find something to complain about and that's where these extremist groups like black lives matter are born. They claim they want conversation but if you disagree or have a different opinion or present a fact, you are an automatic racist. This is why I never really get in this conversation and go about my life. It's like going in circles.

 

[Mediocre Man]

What is the % of those races in America?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but...

So black people, who make up 15% of the population, make up 30% of the deaths. Normalized to per-person status (like a PER for Getting Killed By Cops), they are twice as likely to get killed than white people. In sports terms, Black People are the Kevin Durant of Getting Killed By Cops. White People are the Luke Babbit of Getting Killed By Cops.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but...

That data doesn't really mean much, unless you also include the percentages of each race in the general population.

Sure, more white people are killed by cops than blacks or Hispanics. There are a lot more of them. There are also a lot more white people killed in automobile accidents and dying from cancer.

If you look at the data in the two graphs, you'll see than there are 413% more white people than blacks in this country, but only 163% more whites are killed by cops than blacks.

The reasons for this are many and complex, but the number of blacks killed by cops is definitely disproportionate to the number of blacks in the general population.

BNM

 

[Cippy91]

Here is some quite shocking facts on black on black crime that nobody talks about http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/28/5-devastating-facts-black-black-crime/

 

[Pinwheel1]

“We’re hiring,” he told reporters Monday in response to a question about what advice he’d give young black men.

“Get off that protest line and put an application in, and we’ll put you in your neighborhood, and we will help you resolve some of the problems you’re protesting about.”

This seems like a logical move. If black officers make up the majority of the police force in black neighborhoods, it at least takes the racial component out of the conversation. Not sure if we should go with military vets from Iraq who have seen combat duty, but I am sure at least some of them would be good candidates....and will need jobs.

 

[Cippy91]

What is the % of those races in America?

The point is, they are still being killed. Why is it we hear every black persons name but none of the white peoples names? Why is the black lives matter movement all for justice now yet their own people are being murdered so young with the killer usually getting away with it because when the cops ask questions nobody cooperates because they don't wanna snitch. Yet this movement cries for justice for young black men only at the hands of a white cop.

 

[Cippy91]

This just happened in a 24 hour time period. Three killed. Where is the outrage?! https://www.google.com/amp/www.chic...o-shootings-violence-20160713-story,amp.html#

 

[Mediocre Man]

The point is, they are still being killed. Why is it we hear every black persons name but none of the white peoples names? Why is the black lives matter movement all for justice now yet their own people are being murdered so young with the killer usually getting away with it because when the cops ask questions nobody cooperates because they don't wanna snitch. Yet this movement cries for justice for young black men only at the hands of a white cop.

Listen, I get you have some sort of weird agenda here, but it's a real problem.

I work with a black guy who was pulled over for going 4 miles per hour over the speed limit, literally a block from the office. He was told to get out of the car and lay on the ground with his arms out to his side and legs spread. I saw this happen. The cops kept yelling at him to spread his legs more. Nothing happened, but he did get a ticket. I mean seriously, what the fuck?

 

[Cippy91]

I'm not sitting here saying cops are innocent or all killings are justified. I don't think that at all. There are good people and shitty people. Bad cops and good cops. Justified incidents and unjustified incidents. Nobody is cut for the job of being a cop. To act like you could do the job better is insane though. That dude in Minnesota who got shot, yeah that was terrible. Eric garner, also terrible. But to stay blind to the facts and statistics is ridiculous.

 

[Cippy91]

Listen, I get you have some sort of weird agenda here, but it's a real problem.

I work with a black guy who was pulled over for going 4 miles per hour over the speed limit, literally a block from the office. He was told to get out of the car and lay on the ground with his arms out to his side and legs spread. I saw this happen. The cops kept yelling at him to spread his legs more. Nothing happened, but he did get a ticket. I mean seriously, what the fuck?

What agenda am I here to spread? It's just my opinion. Yeah there are racist cops. Don't think for one second they don't pull that shit on white people though. Shits happened to me. But I have also come across genuine good cops who are just doing the best they can.