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andalusian said:
I disagree about the Mondial - but I agree that things started to go downhill after the 328 - but it was still ok for the 348 and the 355, 550 - after that - everything became too big. They started to figure out that their customers are old, rich and fat - they needed the space. It was a smart business decision, but looks wise, not great.

The 458/488, Enzo and LaFerrari would be just fine if they were 3/4 the size.
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Yup - Porsche too. Compare a 70s 911 to what they're building today and it's gross! But at least a Porsche still looks like a Porsche, even if they've gotten obese.
 
blue9 said:
Yup - Porsche too. Compare a 70s 911 to what they're building today and it's gross! But at least a Porsche still looks like a Porsche, even if they've gotten obese.
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It does not look too bad if you consider the Cayman as the new 911 and the 911 as the new 928. My friend got the last Cayman S with the 6 cylinder (2014 model) - it is a bit bland, but it is pretty and while it is a bit bigger than the old 911s - it is still very light for a modern car (2,800lbs).
 
Found this page illustrating the fattening of cars over the decades. The BMW is another great example - those 70s/80s designed cars just scream "BMW!", and now if it weren't for their grill it would be hard to tell 'em apart from anything else on the road.
But the saddest fall from grace is the Jaguar. Once the classiest cars on the road, now looking like a Buick!

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/10-images-that-show-just-how-fat-cars-have-become/
 
andalusian said:
It does not look too bad if you consider the Cayman as the new 911 and the 911 as the new 928. My friend got the last Cayman S with the 6 cylinder (2014 model) - it is a bit bland, but it is pretty and while it is a bit bigger than the old 911s - it is still very light for a modern car (2,800lbs).
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I dig the Cayman - if I were to buy a new Porsche (I wouldn't, but if) it would probably be a Cayman. Except apparently they don't have any storage behind the front seats. The rear seats in 911s aren't really seats, but at least you can throw a bag back there!
The only Porsche I hate on is the Boxster. I don't like their SUV, but apparently it's the most well-designed SUV on the market and does what SUVs are suppose to do. And I actually, oddly, like the Panamera. Actually, that's what I'd buy if I bought a new Porsche.
 
The 918 is the only Porsche I like:

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blue9 said:
I dig the Cayman - if I were to buy a new Porsche (I wouldn't, but if) it would probably be a Cayman. Except apparently they don't have any storage behind the front seats. The rear seats in 911s aren't really seats, but at least you can throw a bag back there!
The only Porsche I hate on is the Boxster. I don't like their SUV, but apparently it's the most well-designed SUV on the market and does what SUVs are suppose to do. And I actually, oddly, like the Panamera. Actually, that's what I'd buy if I bought a new Porsche.
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Cayman is an excellent car. I hope I can get a good used one in two years after my 30th birthday, always been my dream although the Macan might have changed my plans a bit as it's still a Porsche but one I could use as my main car (I need to have a small SUV as my first car, currently have X1 as my main car on a 4-year lease that only started this year so the earliest I can get Macan is 2021 anyway).
 
Turner is extending a lot more on his follow through in that video posted earlier in this thread. That does two things:

1.) It makes touch more consistent because the farther the forearm moves forward, it has more of a factor in overall touch. With Turner's shot last year, his touch was based mostly on his wrist flick and triceps. It wasn't a good combination. It's more fluid because now he's recruiting his forearm as well.
2.) It increase his arc. Last year, his forearm was almost vertical at his setpoint and on his follow through. His elbow would go up and his wrist would go forward. This is awful for arc, and was one of the biggest reasons he struggled from range. The ball would be pushed off of his hand due to the flick of his wrist straight forward. However, if he's extending his forearm forward now, it'll increase his arc. It only looked like a 1 or 2 degree difference in entry angle to the basket in the video earlier, but that's a big difference. If his forearm is extending more forward, it'll push his hand through the ball, rolling the ball from his hand, up onto the very tips of his fingers, and will roll it off of the top of the hand, giving it more arc and touch.

Basically, his shot was a "flick" last year, because he didn't extend his forearm on his shot. If he fixes that, I expect his shooting to improve dramatically, as he has good form in terms of release timing, his elbow in on his set point as well as a straight hip/elbow/forearm/hand placement on the point of release.
 
BonesJones said:
Turner is extending a lot more on his follow through in that video posted earlier in this thread. That does two things:

1.) It makes touch more consistent because the farther the forearm moves forward, it has more of a factor in overall touch. With Turner's shot last year, his touch was based mostly on his wrist flick and triceps. It wasn't a good combination. It's more fluid because now he's recruiting his forearm as well.
2.) It increase his arc. Last year, his forearm was almost vertical at his setpoint and on his follow through. His elbow would go up and his wrist would go forward. This is awful for arc, and was one of the biggest reasons he struggled from range. The ball would be pushed off of his hand due to the flick of his wrist straight forward. However, if he's extending his forearm forward now, it'll increase his arc. It only looked like a 1 or 2 degree difference in entry angle to the basket in the video earlier, but that's a big difference. If his forearm is extending more forward, it'll push his hand through the ball, rolling the ball from his hand, up onto the very tips of his fingers, and will roll it off of the top of the hand, giving it more arc and touch.

Basically, his shot was a "flick" last year, because he didn't extend his forearm on his shot. If he fixes that, I expect his shooting to improve dramatically, as he has good form in terms of release timing, his elbow in on his set point as well as a straight hip/elbow/forearm/hand placement on the point of release.
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I still think he's releasing a bit too soon but you're right his form is a bit better.
 
dviss1 said:
I still think he's releasing a bit too soon but you're right his form is a bit better.
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Doesn't surprise me.

With his old form, he started flicking his wrist forward immediately during his follow through, instead of letting his arm flow through the ball and letting his wrist follow the momentum gathered by his arm and flow forward.
 
BonesJones said:
Doesn't surprise me.

With his old form, he started flicking his wrist forward immediately during his follow through, instead of letting his arm flow through the ball and letting his wrist follow the momentum gathered by his arm and flow forward.
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It's a science really.
 
BonesJones said:
Doesn't surprise me.

With his old form, he started flicking his wrist forward immediately during his follow through, instead of letting his arm flow through the ball and letting his wrist follow the momentum gathered by his arm and flow forward.
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Hey Evan, Now that I see you have been working on your three ball game, I forgive you for leaving piles of trash outside your house for weeks for the vagrants to sift through every night.
I am a fan. Most wanted you traded, but I want you here. Play well this year so I can buy your Jersey!
 
Yeah - last season the ball'd be sent on its way before he did his wrist flick - like some sort of shot put motion - which resulted in a terribly flat shot.

This shot is looking much nicer than last seasons - though that's not that hard in the slightest.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Hey Evan, Now that I see you have been working on your three ball game, I forgive you for leaving piles of trash outside your house for weeks for the vagrants to sift through every night.
I am a fan. Most wanted you traded, but I want you here. Play well this year so I can buy your Jersey!
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Do NOT buy his jersey..... :blink:
 
dviss1 said:
Do NOT buy his jersey..... :blink:
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I figure right after the trade deadline... if they are still on the team I am buyin a jersey. in this order.
Vonleh
Turner
Harkless
Swannigan

And I will ask for a trade in discount for my other Jersey...
 
If there's one player I want to see more from this season, it's Turner. (Or maybe Harkless, but he's cheaper.) With Crabbe gone, he's our primary bench backcourt player/wing. We need him to be more like what he was in Boston: a do-anything glue kind of player that makes the team hum when he's on the court. Last season he seemed a bit tentative and the ball seemed to stick with him more than I would have liked. Although I guess he did get "the best Blazers assist" last season:



Thoughts?
 
Orion Bailey said:
I figure right after the trade deadline... if they are still on the team I am buyin a jersey. in this order.
Vonleh
Turner
Harkless
Swannigan

And I will ask for a trade in discount for my other Jersey...
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If you buy a Swanigan Jersey, we're settin' up the octagon in your backyard! :D
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If there's one player I want to see more from this season, it's Turner. (Or maybe Harkless, but he's cheaper.) With Crabbe gone, he's our primary bench backcourt player/wing. We need him to be more like what he was in Boston: a do-anything glue kind of player that makes the team hum when he's on the court. Last season he seemed a bit tentative and the ball seemed to stick with him more than I would have liked. Although I guess he did get "the best Blazers assist" last season:



Thoughts?
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Evan Turner. Ugh. Part of me thinks (more like hopes) that he'll be better for us this season. But then, that wouldn't be too hard given how hugely disappointing he was. I hate his game - it's ugly and underwhelming. He's like Aminu-lite. To my eyes he belongs in the Eastern Conference - he's JV not varsity. I call him YMCA.
 
blue9 said:
To my eyes he belongs in the Eastern Conference - he's JV not varsity. I call him YMCA.
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YMCEvan? That's not bad. Certainly better than the Meh-van Turn(ov)er moniker with which he was saddled last year.
 
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