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All this "logic" and talk of odds reminds me of a certain logic problem. This puzzle is for Mags, as I'm curious to see how he reasons it out.

Mags goes on Let's Make a Deal and makes it to the final bit. Monty Hall tells him he wins a car if he chooses the correct door: door #1, door #2, or door #3. There is a car behind one of them, but a goat behind the other two, and he goes home a loser if he picks one of those two.

Mags picks a door, say door #1. Monty opens one of the other two doors, door #2, and reveals a goat. He then gives Mags the option to switch doors to door #3, or to stick with his original door #1.

So Mags, do you take him up on his offer?
 
All this "logic" and talk of odds reminds me of a certain logic problem. This puzzle is for Mags, as I'm curious to see how he reasons it out.

Mags goes on Let's Make a Deal and makes it to the final bit. Monty Hall tells him he wins a car if he chooses the correct door: door #1, door #2, or door #3. There is a car behind one of them, but a goat behind the other two, and he goes home a loser if he picks one of those two.

Mags picks a door, say door #1. Monty opens one of the other two doors, door #2, and reveals a goat. He then gives Mags the option to switch doors to door #3, or to stick with his original door #1.

So Mags, do you take him up on his offer?

I LOVE this puzzle!
 
All this "logic" and talk of odds reminds me of a certain logic problem. This puzzle is for Mags, as I'm curious to see how he reasons it out.

Mags goes on Let's Make a Deal and makes it to the final bit. Monty Hall tells him he wins a car if he chooses the correct door: door #1, door #2, or door #3. There is a car behind one of them, but a goat behind the other two, and he goes home a loser if he picks one of those two.

Mags picks a door, say door #1. Monty opens one of the other two doors, door #2, and reveals a goat. He then gives Mags the option to switch doors to door #3, or to stick with his original door #1.

So Mags, do you take him up on his offer?

TAKE WHAT'S IN THE BOX!!!!
 
What really sucks is that they won't actually let you take the goat home.
 
JesusChristOnPotatoChip.jpg


Apparently if you make a gazillion potato chips, you can randomly find the likeness of Jesus on one from time to time.

But hey, people look at a cloud and see a horse sometimes.

Who told you what Jesus looked like?
 
I like that when Denny gives you a mathematical proof that your toothpick nonsense could actually happen, you reply with this:

LOL okay if you say so Denny. :MARIS61: :sigh: :dunno:

And then switch to the argument that it just sounds more logical that it was placed there. Come on man, you can do better than that.
 
The potato chip thing was to make a point. They make a gazillion of them, and randomly and rarely, one looks like Christ.

I looked it up. They make 1.2 billion pounds of potato chips per year. At 300 chips per pound (a guess), that's 360 billion chips per year. If the find a Jesus every ten years, that's a 1:3.6trillion chance.
 
4/5) nature does not build complexity by random chance or happenstance. your argument rests entirely on a false premise.
 
The potato chip thing was to make a point. They make a gazillion of them, and randomly and rarely, one looks like Christ.

I looked it up. They make 1.2 billion pounds of potato chips per year. At 300 chips per pound (a guess), that's 360 billion chips per year. If the find a Jesus every ten years, that's a 1:3.6trillion chance.


it's a good point (anthropic argument), but you don't even really need to go there since the mona lisa or a pile of toothpicks in someone's name are not analogous to the complexity we see in nature. that premise is simply false.
 
Wow all of the arrogant bashing.... It amazes me that I've said something that would give you the right to take it to the next level. Kudos to all of you.
 
it's a good point (anthropic argument), but you don't even really need to go there since the mona lisa or a pile of toothpicks in someone's name are not analogous to the complexity we see in nature.

Yes life and nature puts the complexity like that to shame doesn't it?
 
I like that when Denny gives you a mathematical proof that your toothpick nonsense could actually happen, you reply with this:



And then switch to the argument that it just sounds more logical that it was placed there. Come on man, you can do better than that.

Actually I said this as a two part question. Which makes more logical sense. That someone actually put the toothpicks there or they fell randomly from the roof. And to say chance was more logical created that response.

And obviously you didn't read the stem of why this was posted in the first place. If you would; then you would see that question was asked in the first place.
 
Wow all of the arrogant bashing.... It amazes me that I've said something that would give you the right to take it to the next level. Kudos to all of you.

I was making a self deprecating goat joke.
 
You ask about the complexity of the human brain. Google "reptilian complex" and get back to us.
 
Okay evidence 1-2 - I am told I don't know so I am wrong to question it. (check) LOL

Okay evidence #3 - I am told they don't know so I am wrong. (check) LOL

Okay evidence #4 - I am told that chance is possible therefor it's more logical. (check) LOL

Okay evidence #5 - I am told that complexity can happen by chance as long as you have gazillion years to do it (check) LOL

I really can't wait for the answer for the next one. This is great!
 
4.) What is the alternative?

Lets imagine for a moment that you are walking along the street. You are walking next to a building and you noticed a couple hundred toothpicks lying on that sidewalk spelling your name. The toothpicks are arranged in such a way that it’s very neatly, in perfect sequence spelling out your name.

So now you are looking at these toothpicks, scratching your head and you see no one around. You look up and you see an open window on the third floor; and see an empty box that says “toothpicks” on the ledge. But you still don’t know how it got there. You don’t know how they were arranged in that way.

Now let’s say two people come along. They meet you in front of the toothpicks and you tell them. “Look at these toothpicks, they spell out my name”. And these two people are trying to explain how these toothpicks got there in that way.

Person (A) has his theory: Someone with intelligence has put those toothpicks there in that way.

Person (B) has his theory: His theory is that those toothpicks somehow fell from that window and coincidently landed in that way. That no one designed the toothpicks in that way.

So out of these two theories; which person has the true burden of proof?

The Person (B) screams out loud. You better PROVE TO ME, that intelligence designed this. You got to prove to me that someone placed those toothpicks in such a way. You have to show me the person that put the toothpicks there.

That is illogical and you know it. Simple cause and effect is evidence that God exists. Come on now, what’s more complex? The toothpicks or the human brain, the cosmos, all life on earth, the earth itself? If you can’t believe the toothpicks can’t come together on their own; then why would you believe that the human brain could?

So why would the person that believes intelligence designed the universe and everything in it must have the burden of proof; yet the person that all of the universe and it’s very existence doesn’t need proof? What’s more logical?

5.) Basic logic, common sense and reasoning

This is a hypothetical conversation between an Atheist and me. I want to tell a story; because I’m sure there will be hundreds of different responses, so bare with me.

How many of you seen an painting “The Mona Lisa”. Are you open to the possibility that no one painted the Mona Lisa? Be it having all the pigments in the earth and canvas material; that wind, billions of years have somehow put the Mona Lisa on that canvas? After all, you weren’t there when it was painted, so you couldn’t see how it was created. Neither of us can prove that we know for sure who painted that painting. So are you OPEN to the possibility that the Mona Lisa naturally became a painting we see today? YES or NO.

The Atheist will say “NO”. Then I ask “Why are you not open to that possibility”. And then the atheist will say “There is too much complexity and design for this to happen by chance”

Then I ask “What’s more complex, the Mona Lisa, or your human body?” and he answers “Well the human body of course!”. So then I ask “So you are willing to admit that your body; clearly more complex than the Mona Lisa was created by happen stance; but are unwilling to accept the Mona Lisa being created by happen stance.”

That is a total contradiction in logic.

Now sometimes an Atheist says, “Well give me enough time + chance and anything is possible” I think this logic is not true.

Let me give you another example:

Let’s say I have this clock and I completely dismantle every part of that clock. I take this clock and put it in a tin can and shake it up for 1 billion years. Is it logical that every piece of that clock will come together in perfect synergy? I think not. And guess what?!?! You actually have all the pieces necessary to make this clock; and still it isn’t logically possible.

This is another evidence to me that there was a designer.

You ask, "if you can't believe... toothpicks... Brain.". See it?

Not all questions are binary. You only posit two of many possible answers, and I gave you the actual answer.

The puzzle in post 271 is for real, and you haven't answered it. It's not a mockery of anyone or anything. It requires you to think, is all.
 
You ask, "if you can't believe... toothpicks... Brain.". See it?

Not all questions are binary. You only posit two of many possible answers, and I gave you the actual answer.

The puzzle in post 271 is for real, and you haven't answered it. It's not a mockery of anyone or anything. It requires you to think, is all.

Yep tooth picks are simply no even close to the complexity of the brain. Glad you've noticed.

For the puzzle, I would stick with my choice because the probability of it being on the other is 50/50.
 
Okay evidence 1-2 - I am told I don't know so I am wrong to question it. (check) LOL

Okay evidence #3 - I am told they don't know so I am wrong. (check) LOL

Okay evidence #4 - I am told that chance is possible therefor it's more logical. (check) LOL

Okay evidence #5 - I am told that complexity can happen by chance as long as you have gazillion years to do it (check) LOL

I really can't wait for the answer for the next one. This is great!

Sigh.
 

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