Evidence that "Atheism" is not a sound belief

[magnifier661]

The archaeological record is full of artifacts that convince everyone but you that he lived. We know where his palace was, we have recovered his belongings. We know with certainty many specific dates of events in his life.

He grew a huge empire and was known throughout the much of the known world. He had children who went on to rule that empire.

Crazy, I remember reading historical records of another man like this. His profound teachings have spread like wild fire throughout a world far greater than Khan. His brother, and brothers and spirit lead the charge to influence the world. And I've seen artifacts even today describing this man. Didn't know that was all you needed to know.

Well shit Denny, did I just make you a believer?

 

[MadeFromDust]

The archaeological record is full of artifacts that convince everyone but you that he lived. We know where his palace was, we have recovered his belongings. We know with certainty many specific dates of events in his life.

He grew a huge empire and was known throughout the much of the known world. He had children who went on to rule that empire.

How do you know they are authentic? Have you seen them yourself? Prove it. (I do believe Khan existed, I just want to expose how senseless your reasoning is)

Also, wanna answer my three questions?

 

[MadeFromDust]

Diddly doodly!

Short, blunt, truth.

 

[TripTango]

Wait a minute... Who said we are arguing that Jesus walked on water? This is the question of his actual existence. But again we are going way off topic here.

Come on now -- Jesus IS God, remember?

 

[magnifier661]

My friends know I'm neither angry nor little.

They also know I'm always right and I never lie.

You just stretch the truth... Kinda like the last question answered "would you consider yourself a true atheist"; then you replied as a fence sitter; but in the beginning of the thread; you argued with other Atheists that being a true atheist is to believe "God does not exist"

 

[Denny Crane]

Crazy, I remember reading historical records of another man like this. His profound teachings have spread like wild fire throughout a world far greater than Khan. His brother, and brothers and spirit lead the charge to influence the world. And I've seen artifacts even today describing this man. Didn't know that was all you needed to know.

Well shit Denny, did I just make you a believer?

I'm still waiting for any evidence at all that can't be described as a fictional book.

And if I stand before you and claim to be God, would you believe me? What kind of proof or evidence do I need to produce to convince you?

BTW, I'm not God. God thinks HE is Denny Crane.

 

[magnifier661]

Come on now -- Jesus IS God, remember?

You are burying the topic. It is argued that a man "Jesus Christ" does not exist. You can think any other way; but the arguments made were he did not exist.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Come on now -- Jesus IS God, remember?

FINALLY, you get something right.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm still waiting for any evidence at all that can't be described as a fictional book.

And if I stand before you and claim to be God, would you believe me? What kind of proof or evidence do I need to produce to convince you?

BTW, I'm not God. God thinks HE is Denny Crane.

Well that was cool, but has no relevance.

So you refuse to provide evidence that God doesn't exist? Yes or No. Here is your chance.

 

[Denny Crane]

How do you know they are authentic? Have you seen them yourself? Prove it. (I do believe Khan existed, I just want to expose how senseless your reasoning is)

Also, wanna answer my three questions?

There are numerous artifacts on display in museums.

What artifact of Jesus is on display in any museum?

 

[TripTango]

You are burying the topic. It is argued that a man "Jesus Christ" does not exist. You can think any other way; but the arguments made were he did not exist.

I was only showing you the problem with your George Washington/Genghis Khan/whoever from history argument. History books don't claim that these individuals were magical or super-powered, so it's not much of a stretch to take them for their word. Of course, that doesn't mean we can accept even history books as 100% true -- we all know that history is subjective even under the best case scenario.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, which is why your comparison to George Washington holds no water in this case.

 

[TripTango]

FINALLY, you get something right.

Gold star for me!

 

[MadeFromDust]

There are numerous artifacts on display in museums.

What artifact of Jesus is on display in any museum?

Does this seriously pass as an argument for you?

 

[RR7]

demanding someone to provide that is NOT proof of his existence. You can go ahead and just throw out #6. demanding evidence and an explanation is not evidence.
Can you prove, after a night of sitting home by yourself, you didn't commit a crime elsewhere? Moreso, should you be required to? Absent evidence from a prosecutor. My case in court. It was him, prove it wasn't. Nope, doesn't work that way. You got what, 4 more? Again, whittle down your list a little.

 

[Denny Crane]

Well that was cool, but has no relevance.

So you refuse to provide evidence that God doesn't exist? Yes or No. Here is your chance.

Your logic:

X is true because there is no proof X is false.

Think about it.

 

[MadeFromDust]

I was only showing you the problem with your George Washington/Genghis Khan/whoever from history argument. History books don't claim that these individuals were magical or super-powered, so it's not much of a stretch to take them for their word. Of course, that doesn't mean we can accept even history books as 100% true -- we all know that history is subjective even under the best case scenario.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, which is why your comparison to George Washington holds no water in this case.

OK, what evidence would need to be presented that would convince you that Jesus is the Son of God? I mean, without a doubt in your mind and not something that you would attempt to refute like all the rest.

 

[Denny Crane]

Does this seriously pass as an argument for you?

If it's your word against thousands of artifacts on display in museums, YOU lose.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There are numerous artifacts on display in museums.

What artifact of Jesus is on display in any museum?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

 

[magnifier661]

demanding someone to provide that is NOT proof of his existence. You can go ahead and just throw out #6. demanding evidence and an explanation is not evidence.
Can you prove, after a night of sitting home by yourself, you didn't commit a crime elsewhere? Moreso, should you be required to? Absent evidence from a prosecutor. My case in court. It was him, prove it wasn't. Nope, doesn't work that way. You got what, 4 more? Again, whittle down your list a little.

I don't demand a single thing. It is the defenses right to choose not to provide evidence that god does not exist. I really don't care. I actually think it helps my case.

 

[MadeFromDust]

If it's your word against thousands of artifacts on display in museums, YOU lose.

It's my word, and billions of others who at this very minute are probably willing to die for Jesus Christ, YOU lose.

 

[RR7]

It really doesn't help your case at all. You are attempting to prove something exists. Your case is not helped by someone showing it does not. Or attempting to. Your case and evidence is your case and evidence.

 

[magnifier661]

You guys realize that talking about Jesus Christ isn't part of this discussion right? We are still discussing a creator or designer. But carry on cause it's a nice read.

 

[RR7]

It's my word, and billions of others who at this very minute are probably willing to die for Jesus Christ, YOU lose.

I'd say those dying for him lose, but who gives a shit. They think something better is coming for them anyways.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

Josephus wrote 60+ years after Jesus supposedly died.

Next?

 

[magnifier661]

It really doesn't help your case at all. You are attempting to prove something exists. Your case is not helped by someone showing it does not. Or attempting to. Your case and evidence is your case and evidence.

Okay whatever you say.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's my word, and billions of others who at this very minute are probably willing to die for Jesus Christ, YOU lose.

A lot of people committed suicide for Jim Jones, too. Doesn't make your argument anything resembling an argument.

 

[crowTrobot]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authenticity_of_the_Testimonium_Flavianum

 

[RR7]

Okay whatever you say.

Cool. You're the one making a case and providing EVIDENCE. Are you going to do that, or are you hoping others do it? It's your thread. We're the jury listening to your opening statements. You're presenting YOUR evidence. Go for it.

 

[magnifier661]

Josephus wrote 60+ years after Jesus supposedly died.

Next?

Still haven't replied about Bart Ehrman, and the other historians that agree that there was a Jesus. Are you discrediting them? Cause I can provide many more scholars in time that agree with Bart. You must discredit all of history. You do know that right?

 

[magnifier661]

Cool. You're the one making a case and providing EVIDENCE. Are you going to do that, or are you hoping others do it? It's your thread. We're the jury listening to your opening statements. You're presenting YOUR evidence. Go for it.

I have so far; and the defense hasn't brought any evidence. Just rebuttals on mine. But carry on.