Evidence that "Atheism" is not a sound belief (1 Viewer)

[magnifier661]

My feelings are hurt that you don't believe me. How about I get RR7 to come over and watch me walk on water and tell you he saw it?

Are you talking to yourself. The prosecutors are not arguing you are god. Why would we?

 

[magnifier661]

So Denny are you God? Yes or no?

 

[MadeFromDust]

Mags, we are talking to a guy who thinks he's God. Does anything more need to be said?

 

[RR7]

My feelings are hurt that you don't believe me. How about I get RR7 to come over and watch me walk on water and tell you he saw it?

Meh, I'll take your word for it if you promise me eternal salvation.

 

[magnifier661]

Mags, we are talking to a guy who thinks he's God. Does anything more need to be said?

I think it's frustration. Of course he doesn't believe he is god. But if he says he is; it supports that atheism is not a sound belief. It's really quite simple. Remember this is a unbiased formate. As the prosecution our personal belief aren't relevant.

 

[magnifier661]

Meh, I'll take your word for it if you promise me eternal salvation.

Okay camp defense has another proclamation of faith.

 

[crowTrobot]

I asked you and Denny the question. Are you willing to discount the historians that agree that there was a Jesus described in the Bible?

i don't dispute that most historians think it's more probable that not that the man jesus existed. i was just responding to your ignorant claim of less historical evidence for ceasar.

this thread is progressing too fast for me to keep up at the moment, trying to work at the same time : )

6 is just a straw man. atheism doesn't require that god be disproved.

 

[RR7]

Okay camp defense has another proclamation of faith.

cool, maybe you'll "win" with me and denny's proclamations.

Denny, instead of wlaking on water, can oujust turn a couple of jugs of water into wine for me. Much more worthwhile. Thanks!

 

[magnifier661]

i don't dispute that most historians think it's more probable that not that the man jesus existed. i was just responding to your ignorant claim of less historical evidence for ceasar.

this thread is progressing too fast for me to keep up at the moment, trying to work at the same time : )

6 is just a straw man. atheism doesn't require that god be disproved.

How can 6 be a straw man? If the belief that god does not exist; then they would need evidence that god doesn't exist to make it a sound belief.

 

[magnifier661]

cool, maybe you'll "win" with me and denny's proclamations.

Denny, instead of wlaking on water, can oujust turn a couple of jugs of water into wine for me. Much more worthwhile. Thanks!

It's not about winning for me. You want to make this black or white but it isn't. There is evidence that's presented and anyone reading can make their own conclusion. I still don't know why you keep labeling it like that.

 

[crowTrobot]

also bart ehrman is an athiest/agnostic who disputes the resurrection on historical grounds, so it's interesting that you would appeal to him as a historical authority.

 

[RR7]

you've ignored it with every mention mags, but can you prove unicorns do not exist?

 

[magnifier661]

also bart ehrman is an athiest/agnostic who disputes the resurrection on historical grounds, so it's interesting that you would appeal to him as a historical authority.

That is an entirely different topic and thread. I am asking if you discredit him is all. That you discount their research.

 

[magnifier661]

you've ignored it with every mention mags, but can you prove unicorns do not exist?

Make a new thread about unicorns and we can have a good debate. Make sure you give all your evidence to please.

 

[RR7]

nah we can fdo it here. I have 10 pieces of evidence they exist. I'll start with 1.

1. Unicorns exist. Prove to me they don't.

 

[crowTrobot]

How can 6 be a straw man? If the belief that god does not exist; then they would need evidence that god doesn't exist to make it a sound belief.

i'm assuming you were referring to god in the generic/deistic sense given how your prior arguments were phrased, in which case atheists do not claim that no possible god exists. they are not required to disprove any possible god.

if you want to get into specific gods of human tradition that people more firmly believe do not exist, we're all in the same boat concerning supporting our beliefs. you only believe one less god exists than atheists do (prove to me Thor does not exist).

 

[MARIS61]

You just stretch the truth... Kinda like the last question answered "would you consider yourself a true atheist"; then you replied as a fence sitter; but in the beginning of the thread; you argued with other Atheists that being a true atheist is to believe "God does not exist"

I said "I know god(s) do not exist". Never did I say "I believe god(s) do not exist".

That ain't fence-sitting by any definition you can dream up.

And I was arguing with agnostics who think they are atheists.

Since several different posters have several different definitions of atheist and agnostic I thought it would be easier to drop the labels.

For the sake of this thread's clarity, just think of me as the guy who knows there are no gods.

 

[MARIS61]

nah we can fdo it here. I have 10 pieces of evidence they exist. I'll start with 1.

1. Unicorns exist. Prove to me they don't.

Easy. There is no mention of them in the bible.

 

[crowTrobot]

That is an entirely different topic and thread. I am asking if you discredit him is all. That you discount their research.

i don't discredit him, no. i think it's probable the man jesus existed so i'm not in that argument. i didn't follow how it even started.

i was just pointing out that it's interesting you think it's ok to appeal to authority so selectively. for example by consensus those same historians who think the man jesus existed have used the same historical reasoning to conclude that none of the 4 gospels were eyewitness accounts or even written by their namesakes.

 

[MARIS61]

I asked you and Denny the question. Are you willing to discount the historians that agree that there was a Jesus described in the Bible? I am not asking if you believe Jesus is the God in flesh.

Give us an example of one.

Bart doesn't count since he's not an historian.

 

[magnifier661]

nah we can fdo it here. I have 10 pieces of evidence they exist. I'll start with 1.

1. Unicorns exist. Prove to me they don't.

Object I ask the house to strict this from the record for it doesn't pertain the atheism's belief that God does not exist.

 

[magnifier661]

Give us an example of one.

Bart doesn't count since he's not an historian.

Lol in your opinion. You see the title on his name? Opinions aren't evidence therefor have no relevance.

 

[magnifier661]

i'm assuming you were referring to god in the generic/deistic sense given how your prior arguments were phrased, in which case atheists do not claim that no possible god exists. they are not required to disprove any possible god.

if you want to get into specific gods of human tradition that people more firmly believe do not exist, we're all in the same boat concerning supporting our beliefs. you only believe one less god exists than atheists do (prove to me Thor does not exist).

So you admit that a deity exists?

 

[RR7]

Object I ask the house to strict this from the record for it doesn't pertain the atheism's belief that God does not exist.

win!!

 

[MadeFromDust]

If there was no God, there would be no atheists (I mean this in more than one sense)

 

[MARIS61]

I asked you and Denny the question. Are you willing to discount the historians that agree that there was a Jesus described in the Bible? I am not asking if you believe Jesus is the God in flesh.

Give us an example of one.

Bart doesn't count since he's not an historian.

 

[RR7]

If there was no God, there would be no atheists (I mean this in more than one sense)

false. and false.

 

[magnifier661]

I said "I know god(s) do not exist". Never did I say "I believe god(s) do not exist".

That ain't fence-sitting by any definition you can dream up.

And I was arguing with agnostics who think they are atheists.

Since several different posters have several different definitions of atheist and agnostic I thought it would be easier to drop the labels.

For the sake of this thread's clarity, just think of me as the guy who knows there are no gods.

Cool so now we have that clear. Atheists know god does not exist. Thanks

 

[MadeFromDust]

false. and false.

true and true

 

[MARIS61]

Lol in your opinion. You see the title on his name? Opinions aren't evidence therefor have no relevance.

No, I see no title of historian, nor any indication he has studied history more than the usual person.