Evidence that "Atheism" is not a sound belief (1 Viewer)

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magnifier661 said:
Actually you have a very valid point. I think that's why it's important to constantly read the "bible" when you become a Christian. It would be like literary professors dedicating their life to "Shakespeare". And even then, they won't get the jest of it.

It really sucks when this thread goes off topic though. :(
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This is where Catholics would argue that responsible Christians must have an institution to parse and interpret the Bible, so that all of these details can be clarified...

P.S. It's "gist", not "jest", though I think your sentence is better the way you wrote it, since it implies that Biblical scholars can't see how comical it is. ;) I'm really not trying to pick on you with these corrections, BTW -- it's just my latent OCD tendencies peeking through!
 
magnifier661 said:
Then why do you supposed that scientists can assume how the the universe and life on this planet was created? Do you think it's "A matter of fact"? Even in this thread; there are the "God of the gaps" rebuttals on improbabilities, life has not been created with non-life.
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What you mean when you say "you accepted logic" is that you accepted that those conclusions followed logically from OTHER things you believed. In other words, you resolved an inconsistency in your belief system.

I think in many ways the bible uses metaphors.
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Is this one of them? Explain how calling a bat a "fowl" is a useful metaphor (rather than evidence that it was written by fallible humans who didn't know that bats were mammals).

How would you explain an airplane to someone 3,000 years ago?
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Not sure of the relevance of that example, but to answer your question: presumably God could find a way, don't you think? After all, people worked out about dinosaurs despite never having seen them (and despite them never being mentioned in the Bible. Oh wait - maybe "bats" is a "metaphor" for "pteranodons", and the Bible contained evidence that, in fact, birds ARE DINOSAURS! My God, you're on to something!).

But that is getting off topic. We have another thread talking about the "Bible". This thread is debating the existence of a Creator, or intelligent design. In this thread. It could be a designer not even in any theist thinking today.
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But you don't believe that. What you believe is the Christian God, and that colors your thinking about other matters. I'm curious as to why you believe that universe began millions of years ago because that's what science tells us (why not have God create it and make it LOOK like it happened millions of years ago?) but are perfectly okay with God being indivisible and three distinct persons (one of whom is one of the others' son) despite THAT being incompatible with logic.
 
TripTango said:
This is where Catholics would argue that responsible Christians must have an institution to parse and interpret the Bible, so that all of these details can be clarified...

P.S. It's "gist", not "jest", though I think your sentence is better the way you wrote it, since it implies that Biblical scholars can't see how comical it is. ;) I'm really not trying to pick on you with these corrections, BTW -- it's just my latent OCD tendencies peeking through!
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Hahahaha thanks for the correction. I think I've used "Jest" meaning "Gist" like a hundred times. Kinda ironic how it played out though. :P

P.S. This is why I hate Religion (when you speak of the Catholic Faith).
 
Rastapopoulos said:
But you don't believe that. What you believe is the Christian God, and that colors your thinking about other matters. I'm curious as to why you believe that universe began millions of years ago because that's what science tells us (why not have God create it and make it LOOK like it happened millions of years ago?) but are perfectly okay with God being indivisible and three distinct persons (one of whom is one of the others' son) despite THAT being incompatible with logic.
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And why would that matter? Even in this thread; the atheists aren't in agreement on how the universe was created. Some are even arguing the actual definition of an Atheist. Regardless if my "Faith" in God; you think is relevant. It really isn't in this thread.

Personally I think believing in a creator is healthy. I think it's logical and fills in the gaps quite nicely. I have used "logic" on my 1-7; and never once used the "Bible". If you want to spin this to some "Bible vs. Rasta" thread; then I will be more than happy to debate you there. On this thread; we can debate what I've posted and answer the actual rebuttals on my posts.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
I gave you two plausible explanations for it. Don't confuse a possible translation difficulty with imprecision.
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Oden, buddy, I think it's really important to stay on topic. It seems as if the rabbit hole is going in a different direction. Let's try and keep on point.
 
36 pages and still no evidence by the atheists that God doesn't exist. :P
 
magnifier661 said:
36 pages and still no evidence by the atheists that God doesn't exist. :P
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Odd to look in the "Evidence that "Atheism" is not a sound belief" thread to find evidence from atheists that god does not exist.
I don't look in the Trade idea with Golden State thread to find trade ideas with New York.
 
RR7 said:
Odd to look in the "Evidence that "Atheism" is not a sound belief" thread to find evidence from atheists that god does not exist.
I don't look in the Trade idea with Golden State thread to find trade ideas with New York.
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Atheism = belief
Belief = proof to justify belief
Atheism being sound = proof that their belief is sound.
 
belief=proof to justify belief? Odd, most religious people seem to just have faith in their belief, and say they need no proof. But, I wouldn't expect you to read or understand anything anyone else says anyways, as the point of not showing you proof has been mentioned about 150 times, and goes right in one ear, and right out the other with you.
 
I believe unicorns do not exist. I do not have proof. I would still call my belief they do not exist a sound one, even in the absence of proof. Same with santa and big foot.
 
RR7 said:
I believe unicorns do not exist. I do not have proof. I would still call my belief they do not exist a sound one, even in the absence of proof. Same with santa and big foot.
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You're right. It's not very sound.
 
"evidence god doesn't exist" is the straw man. Ad infinitum.
 
magnifier661 said:
You're right. It's not very sound.
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well, yippee then, 36 pages, and then I guess you must feel satisfied in being "right" about showing others that their belief is not sound. I dunno what to do with myself now.
 
RR7 said:
belief=proof to justify belief? Odd, most religious people seem to just have faith in their belief, and say they need no proof. But, I wouldn't expect you to read or understand anything anyone else says anyways, as the point of not showing you proof has been mentioned about 150 times, and goes right in one ear, and right out the other with you.
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You are missing one very important detail. Theists "Have Faith" in their doctrine. They believe their doctrine and personal testimony as enough proof. Atheism, on the other hand, claim that science has proven God does not exist. So their faith is in science. So since we know that science is based on logical testing on theory; they should have more than enough proof to prove Atheism is a sound belief.
 
RR7 said:
well, yippee then, 36 pages, and then I guess you must feel satisfied in being "right" about showing others that their belief is not sound. I dunno what to do with myself now.
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Nothing... There is nothing you need to do with yourself. Do you need me to tell you?
 
atheism, by definition, is a lack of belief in god. There is nothing within the definition that says atheists know that science has proven the lack of existence. Now you're just adding on additional requirements, or trying to lump ALL atheists with some to prove a point that isn't there. Some theists believe the bible is the literal truth. the definition of a theist does not require that ALL theists believe that the bible is the literal truth and word of god. So it'd be unfair of me to say well, since you have admitted you now think the world is older than the bible says, that means that there is proof there is no god, because the book is no longer infallible, and thus ALL lies.
 
Atheism makes no claim to prove god doesn't exist. That's the straw man.
 
Denny Crane said:
Atheism makes no claim to prove god doesn't exist. That's the straw man.
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Not according to the Dictionary.

a·the·ism   [ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
 
Denny Crane said:
Atheism makes no claim to prove god doesn't exist. That's the straw man.
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Not according to the Dictionary.

a·the·ism   [ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
 
magnifier661 said:
Not according to the Dictionary.

a·the·ism   [ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
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Did you read this or just post it?

Belief there is no god. Right. There's no evidence there is one.

Same for #2.
 
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