OT Examples of Media not seeking the truth.

[Sedatedfork]

Ha! Now that is the most honest comment in this thread. No sense in asking you why it is there, hey! I think River agrees with you, he just doesn't want to say so. It might reflect poorly on him as an ex school teacher. You can't have school teachers teaching the Constitutions is unnecessary.

I understand why it would be put there as the government was being formed, but after 200+ years, I think it has outlived its purpose. Tell me why someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger should be precluded from running for president. I'm not talking about his politics of course or how good of a job he would or not do, but I can't imagine why there would be concern that someone who has lived in this country for as long as he has should be automatically excluded from running for President because of his birthplace. Being President is a difficult enough job as it is. Artificially disqualifying candidates is not a great idea in my opinion.

 

[riverman]

why is the requirement, Natural Born in the Constitution

they were vetting the British at the time they wrote the constitution....the big fear was a double agent loyalist infiltrating the revolution..a lot of colonists were pro England at the time

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Ah! Here is a smart lad! You may step forward and give us all the answer, why is the requirement, Natural Born in the Constitution?

why the requirement? to curtail the possibility of foreign influence, obviously.

heres a question for you now. is possible foreign influence of a president something that should be rigorously investigated and reported on, no matter how unlikely?

 

[riverman]

Ha! Now that is the most honest comment in this thread. No sense in asking you why it is there, hey! I think River agrees with you, he just doesn't want to say so. It might reflect poorly on him as an ex school teacher. You can't have school teachers teaching the Constitutions is unnecessary.

you know Marz....I didn't teach government...I taught second language...let's get that straight....my pride in my teaching days is from those I taught....not those who want to politicize my teaching days or say I fear what people say about me....you can in fact have teachers teaching the differences in interpretation of the constitution....just like you can distinguish the difference between nationality and ethnic culture. What does an American look like? In 1776 America lacked the diversity of modern America......and equality didn't exist for minorities or women....let's teach that

 

[riverman]

Sorry River, I should not have said bullshit

All good my friend...let's just stay civil and not assume things .....like you think I'm being dishonest......don't know where you come up with that but it's not helping the cause of civility.....

 

[MarAzul]

Ah the lads do know the reason the term is in the Constitution. They just don't like it and don't think it should be there. So ignore it, the amendment process is too hard and we have the perfect candidate! We must ignore it to proceed!

The media failed to tell the story that was just told here on S2.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Ah the lads do know the reason the term is in the Constitution. The just don't like it and don't think it should be there. So ignore it, the amendment process is too hard and we have the perfect candidate! We must ignore it to proceed!

The media failed to tell the story that was just told here on S2.

I didn't say "ignore it", I said it isn't a good requirement. They probably should amend it. But, nobody seems to be anxious to do so.

 

[riverman]

The media failed to tell the story that was just told here on S2.

you realize we are the media? social media.....mags did more for the conservative media on S2 than anybody...did mags fail you?

 

[MarAzul]

All good my friend...let's just stay civil and not assume things .....like you think I'm being dishonest......don't know where you come up with that but it's not helping the cause of civility.....

It's all right river, you played your role to the end. And even stepped forward with part of the truth as other came forward also. But I think the thread does show the lack of truth given to just one subject and how the media did not serve the public. And you knew the truth all along.

 

[MarAzul]

I didn't say "ignore it"

No you didn't. But it is what happened, with the media failing to bring it to light.

 

[MarAzul]

why the requirement? to curtail the possibility of foreign influence, obviously.

heres a question for you now. is possible foreign influence of a president something that should be rigorously investigated and reported on, no matter how unlikely?

Yes the Natural Born is a step to insure the allegiance of the President. What other steps would you add?

 

[Sedatedfork]

No you didn't. But it is what happened, with the media failing to bring it to light.

Wow, it's a miracle anyone ever heard about it, reported on it, or that President Obama released his long form birth certificate. I wonder why that all happened, with no body talking about it or any media attention whatsoever.

 

[MarAzul]

President Obama released his long form birth certificate

Yes Trump forced Obama into releasing his BC. But that did not prove he was a Natural born citizen. It proved he was not and the media never covered the issue.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Yes Trump forced Obama into releasing his BC. But that did not prove he was a Natural born citizen. It proved he was not and the media never covered the issue.

Then why did Donald Trump finally admit that Obama's birth certificate was accurate? Maybe you don't want to answer that one. It will take you down a rabbit hole, from which you will never be able to recover.

 

[MarAzul]

Trump admit that Obama's birth certificate was accurate?

I assume he accepted it as fact. Where is the rabbit hole?

 

[Sedatedfork]

I assume he accepted it as fact. Where is the rabbit hole?

So, the man who you claim initiated the birther cause and was one of the last few politicians to accept the BC as fact, now admits that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, how does the BC prove Obama lied? Oh shit. Now you are in the rabbit hole.

 

[MarAzul]

So, how does the BC prove Obama lied?

I don't know. Why do you ask?

 

[riverman]

Let's talk about how Trump avoided the draft instead of serving his country in time of war....3 deferments....he found a rabbit hole and Daddy Fred made sure he got out of serving ......now he runs the military...hey! Let's talk about qualifications.....oops, Trump has none...zero...didn't even know Putin had invaded Ukraine when interviewed on the campaign trail. Face it....Trump lied about his draft deferment...let's just give him a pass. When our nation called him to serve....he ran away and hid in the Playboy Club. Then had the gaul to say John McCain was not deserving to be called a hero after almost 6 years as a prisoner of war....we have a nutjob running the military..does this not concern anybody? Wonder what the founding fathers would have thought of Trump's form of patriotism? Probably not much

 

[Sedatedfork]

I don't know. Why do you ask?

Because of this post.

Yes Trump forced Obama into releasing his BC. But that did not prove he was a Natural born citizen. It proved he was not and the media never covered the issue.

 

[MarAzul]

Let's talk about how Trump avoided the draft instead of serving his country in time of war....3 deferments....he found a rabbit hole and Daddy Fred made sure he got out of serving ......now he runs the military...hey! Let's talk about qualifications.....oops, Trump has none...zero...didn't even know Putin had invaded Ukraine when interviewed on the campaign trail. Face it....Trump lied about his draft deferment...let's just give him a pass. When our nation called him to serve....he ran away and hid in the Playboy Club.

This thread is about the media failing to seek the truth. No need to hijack this thread when you can start one of your liking.

 

[MarAzul]

Yes I posted this. And your point is?

 

[Sedatedfork]

Yes I posted this. And your point is?

 

[riverman]

This thread is about the media failing to seek the truth. No need to hijack this thread when you can start one of your liking.

My post has everything to do with truth and how it gets or doesn't get covered....as I said...I am the media...it's a fragile thread if you think thoughts hijack it...I rarely start threads. You can't just block posts you don't want to acknowledge.....I asked you twice about paternal and maternal differences in the constitutions interpretation of equality......strangely, you didn't answer either but mention Trump....I get an answer....selective discourse? Answer this...would you prefer a paternally dominant government?

 

[MarAzul]

Because of this post.

Well, sorry I do not get what you are after.
Here is Obama's BC,

As you can see, it says he was born in Honolulu. It also says his father is a Kenyan. So that means he is not a Natural born Citizen, proved by the BC.
Hawaii is his place of birth and that makes him a Citizen as per the 14th amendment, but it does not make him a Natural born Citizen.

 

[MarAzul]

I asked you twice about paternal and maternal differences in the constitutions interpretation of equality......strangely, you didn't answer either but

Well, what is it you would like me to answer?

 

[Sedatedfork]

Well, sorry I do not get what you are after.
Here is Obama's BC,

As you can see, it says he was born in Honolulu. It also says his father is a Kenyan. So that means he is not a Natural born Citizen, proved by the BC.
Hawaii is his place of birth and that makes him a Citizen as per the 14th amendment, but it does not make him a Natural born Citizen.

Oh, really, that's your argument? Really?

 

[MarAzul]

Well, sorry I do not get what you are after.
Here is Obama's BC,

As you can see, it says he was born in Honolulu. It also says his father is a Kenyan. So that means he is not a Natural born Citizen, proved by the BC.
Hawaii is his place of birth and that makes him a Citizen as per the 14th amendment, but it does not make him a Natural born Citizen.

Oh, really, that's your argument? Really?

I am waiting for your correction if you have one.

 

[MarAzul]

Let's talk about how Trump avoided the draft instead of serving his country in time of war....3 deferments....he found a rabbit hole and Daddy Fred made sure he got out of serving ......now he runs the military...hey! Let's talk about qualifications.....oops, Trump has none...zero...didn't even know Putin had invaded Ukraine when interviewed on the campaign trail. Face it....Trump lied about his draft deferment...let's just give him a pass. When our nation called him to serve....he ran away and hid in the Playboy Club. Then had the gaul to say John McCain was not deserving to be called a hero after almost 6 years as a prisoner of war....we have a nutjob running the military..does this not concern anybody? Wonder what the founding fathers would have thought of Trump's form of patriotism? Probably not much

The media not cover this enough to suite you?

 

[Sedatedfork]

I am waiting for your correction if you have one.

I think I found you. Link

Plaintiff STRUNK'S complaint, as well as his opposition to defendants' motions to dismiss, alleges that the correct interpretation of the natural born citizen clause of the U.S. Constitution requires a natural born citizen to have been born on United States soil and have two United States born parents. Despite plaintiff's assertions, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 does not state this. No legal authority has ever stated that the natural born citizen clause means what plaintiff STRUNK claims it states. "The phrase natural born citizen' is not defined in the Constitution, see Minor v Happersett, 88 US 162, 167 [1875]), nor does it appear anywhere else in the document, see Charles Gordon, Who Can Be President of the United States: An Unresolved Enigma, 28 Md. L. Rev. 1, 5 (1968)." (Hollander v McCain at 65). Plaintiff STRUNK cannot wish into existence an interpretation that he chooses for the natural born citizen clause. There is no arguable legal basis for the proposition that both parents of the President must have been born on U.S. soil. This assertion is as frivolous as the multitude of alleged allegations outlined above.

Moreover, President OBAMA is the sixth U. S. President to have had one or both of his parents not born on U.S. soil. Plaintiff STRUNK and his fellow "birthers" might not realize that: both parents of President Andrew Jackson were born in what is now Northern Ireland; President James Buchanan's father was born in County Donegal, Ireland; President Chester A. Arthur's father was born in what is now Northern Ireland; President Woodrow Wilson's mother was born in Carlisle, England; and, President Herbert Hoover's mother was born in Norwich, Ontario, Canada.

Therefore, the prosecution of the instant action by plaintiff STRUNK, with its fanciful, fantastic, delusional, irrational and baseless claims about defendants appears is frivolous.

 

[Haakzilla]

This thread is about the media failing to seek the truth.

...no it's not first you use the word "examples" as if this thread actually contains multiple examples of the "media not seeking truth". Clickbait tactics I guess. Reading the OP title one would think this would be about "examples of media not seeking the truth", but you provide none. The OP is just one half-assed babbling about your so called assertion that the media didn't cover the meaning of Natural Born Citizen during the birther movement. But you provide no proof beyond your claim. You say there is one source for the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, but again provide none. I get it though, nowadays that is the Trump way so I understand why you would spew nonsense like that without actually backing it up with anything credible. They even coined a phrase for this, what was it? #AlternativeFacts