Extensions for Toumani and Shaedon?

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Haven’t heard anything about either. We are about two weeks away from the deadline.

What happened to the rumors that we had a 4 year 89 mil extension on the table for Toumani?
 
Freshtown said:
Haven’t heard anything about either. We are about two weeks away from the deadline.

What happened to the rumors that we had a 4 year 89 mil extension on the table for Toumani?
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well, it may be that extension for Camara has been 'on the table' since July 1st and he's unwilling to sign. He's a pretty definite 3&D guy; that has good value generically. He averaged 11 & 6 last season and it's easy to project him elevating his game to 14-15 points and 7 rebounds while shooting over 38% on three's. But none of that is guaranteed and meanwhile, he's 25 years old, is a weak ball-handler and doesn't really create offense for himself or teammates. So, 22M/year would seem appropriate. But, if he goes into restricted free agency next summer, he may get 5M more a year; maybe more the way salaries are climbing. So, by not accepting the deal on the table, he could make himself many millions more over a 4 or 5 year contract

as for Sharpe, the big question is what he's worth obviously. If he continues along the slow-improvement-in-some-areas-regression-in-others, he's not worth much; Camara is worth more, easily. If he makes a major leap across the board this season...yikes! Next season, the cap is going to be around 170M. So a max 4 year deal could be in the 47-48M year range. A 5 year deal could be close to 50M/year...gulp

the reason why we haven't heard anything could also be now that a new owner has been identified, the Blazers may not be committing to any significant new contracts till next summer and the new owner is in place
 
Jake Fischer said:
Portland's Shaedon Sharpe might pose the trickiest rookie scale extension case.

His third-year numbers for the Blazers — particularly over the final 30 games — popped on numerous teams' predictive models. Was that meaningful second half stuff ... or inflated production for a team out of contention? The Blazers, for their part, believe last season's strong second half positions them to compete for a playoff spot this season.

It could also behoove the Blazers to get a deal done with Sharpe this month given what looms in their future. It won't be long before young cornerstones Deni Avdija and Toumani Camara will be seeking extensions of their own. Having fixed numbers in place for Sharpe on Portland's books could provide valuable context for the rest of the Blazers' bookkeeping.

I've been told that the Blazers' initial extension to Sharpe landed in the four-year, $90 million ballpark. But when I speak to various team strategists, more often than not I hear an expectation that the bouncy swingman will ultimately command a Giddey-esque deal in the four-year, $100 million range. If not higher.
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I think the idea is that we have lose cap flexibility after we sign them, so it makes sense to wait.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I think the idea is that we have lose cap flexibility after we sign them, so it makes sense to wait.
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Sharpe's cap-hold will be 25.2M so unless they are planning on signing him for 35M/year, they won't be increasing cap-space by much

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by my quick and probably inaccurate math, counting the guaranteed salaries plus the cap-holds of Sharpe and Camara (10 players) plus 2 roster charges, Portland will have somewhere around 159-160M in counting payroll. Assuming a salary cap of 168-170M, that would leave Portland around 9-11M in cap-space

that's not enough flexibility to accomplish much. Is that even enough cap-space to sign somebody as good as Thybulle? If it isn't then you might as well add Thybulle's 21M cap-hold and that jumps the Blazers well above the salary cap
 

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If we can get Shaedon for 4/100 we should absolutely do that. That could be such a good deal for us if he improves like we think he will. Wait another year and he breaks out, he might be 30-50 mil per year.
 
Freshtown said:
If we can get Shaedon for 4/100 we should absolutely do that. That could be such a good deal for us if he improves like we think he will. Wait another year and he breaks out, he might be 30-50 mil per year.
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We are discussing a 4 year/$90 million with him apparently
 
Anybody else concerned about giving Sharpe a huge long term deal? Im not worried about Scoot, Deni, or Camara working hard once paid. Not sure why but I am a bit concerned that Sharpe may relax and put in less effort.

Probably inevitable he gets a big deal eventually. So outside of trading him I don't know what other choice we have.

Maybe could have him prove his worth during the season instead of extending him now.

Also he has had a number of injuries.
 
some perspective:

Anfernee Simons got 25M/year. He got that contract when the salary cap was 123.6M. That worked out to an annual salary of 20.2% of the initial cap. And his base salary was 18% of the cap

Next season, when Sharpe gets his new deal, the cap is projected to be around 168M. If Sharpe gets an annual salary equivalent to what Simons got at 20% of the initial cap, it would be 34M/year. And his base salary (1st year) would be 30.2M

comparing 4th year Simons to 3rd year Sharpe ends up rather close. Simons has an edge in efficiency and offense, but Simons was the worst on the team in terms of defense. Obviously, it worked out that the Simons contract was an overpay, so that could be an object lesson for the Blazers with Sharpe. But I think people expecting that Sharpe would sign a 4-year/90M deal are probably underrating the rapid increase in the salary cap and the impact on contract expectations

on the other hand, going by the Giddey/Kuminga/Cam Thomas stalemates this summer, maybe the new apron restrictions have finally caused front offices to play more hardball
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Anybody else concerned about giving Sharpe a huge long term deal? Im not worried about Scoot, Deni, or Camara working hard once paid. Not sure why but I am a bit concerned that Sharpe may relax and put in less effort.

Probably inevitable he gets a big deal eventually. So outside of trading him I don't know what other choice we have.

Maybe could have him prove his worth during the season instead of extending him now.

Also he has had a number of injuries.
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If they give him 50 million a year, then yes, I would be concerned. But 25 million per year....no.
It's all crazy money, but that is the going amount, and I would not screw with him like the Warriors did with
Kuminga.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Anybody else concerned about giving Sharpe a huge long term deal? Im not worried about Scoot, Deni, or Camara working hard once paid. Not sure why but I am a bit concerned that Sharpe may relax and put in less effort.

Probably inevitable he gets a big deal eventually. So outside of trading him I don't know what other choice we have.

Maybe could have him prove his worth during the season instead of extending him now.

Also he has had a number of injuries.
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I try not to worry about contracts anymore. Portland is going to pay a premium, and they're going to easily wiggle out of the artificial dire straits cast upon them by the CBA that was agreed upon by all the owners.
 
Samuel said:
I try not to worry about contracts anymore. Portland is going to pay a premium, and they're going to easily wiggle out of the artificial dire straits cast upon them by the CBA that was agreed upon by all the owners.
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When was the last time the Blazers signed a player to a good contract?

Grant, Nurk, Simons are the recent big ones I remember.

Allen Crabbe, Meyers Leonard, Evan Turner back when Cronin was asst GM a decade ago.
 
Two predictions I read that sounded right to me both had us giving him 125 mil for 5 years. Mike Richman predicts 115 mil for 5 years.
 
riverman said:
Two predictions I read that sounded right to me both had us giving him 125 mil for 5 years. Mike Richman predicts 115 mil for 5 years.
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I might be wrong but I'm thinking the max extension he can get this summer is 4 years. That a max length contract of 5 years, but the first year is still the upcoming one
 
Freshtown said:
Haven’t heard anything about either. We are about two weeks away from the deadline.

What happened to the rumors that we had a 4 year 89 mil extension on the table for Toumani?
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If I were either of them I'd wait to see how the season goes before re-signing to Portland. New owner, culture stuff, seriousness of the management, etc.
 
wizenheimer said:
I might be wrong but I'm thinking the max extension he can get this summer is 4 years. That a max length contract of 5 years, but the first year is still the upcoming one
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I just did a quick search and it said he is eligible for a 5 year contract and that Portland has offered 4 for 90 and will probably offer 4 for 100 next.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
When was the last time the Blazers signed a player to a good contract?

Grant, Nurk, Simons are the recent big ones I remember.

Allen Crabbe, Meyers Leonard, Evan Turner back when Cronin was asst GM a decade ago.
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Wes Matthews?

Blazers have to overpay. That's just the way it is.
 
Joe said Shaedon and Tounani are fighting over how to split 230 Mil over 10 years

115 / 5 each with year 5 team option was the offer for both but Toumani thinks he should get more due to being on the NBA All Defense and Shae said they settle it in a dunk contest with Hansen being the judge but Toumani declined
 
wizenheimer said:
I might be wrong but I'm thinking the max extension he can get this summer is 4 years. That a max length contract of 5 years, but the first year is still the upcoming one
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Jabari Smith Jr got 5 years $120mil. So I believe they can do 5 yrs.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Blazers have to overpay. That's just the way it is.
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Why did the Blazers have to overpay Nurk/Grant/Simons? Just let them walk.

Same with Evan Turner, Allen Crabbe, Meyers Leonard.

I never understand we we overpay backups who are crappy contracts then get stuck with a bad contract. If we really want a bad contract just go get one from another team for a pick like the Nets getting slick for adding Michael Porter Jr.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Wes Matthews?
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Yes that Wes one was a good deal, so were Aminu and Ed Davis.

Andre Miller was a good deal.

Seems like we do find some deals when bringing in free agents. We just can't help ourselves with overpaying our own crappy players that are already on the team.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yes that Wes one was a good deal, so were Aminu and Ed Davis.

Andre Miller was a good deal.

Seems like we do find some deals when bringing in free agents. We just can't help ourselves with overpaying our own crappy players that are already on the team.
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Nobody wanted Aminu or Ed Davis. We got Wes on a poison pill contract that Utah couldn't match.

I don't remember the Andre Miller deal...

I have no idea why we overpay guys rather than letting the market set their value. Maybe that's part of the deal when we convince them to sign with us in the first place?
 
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