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Phatguysrule said:
Nobody wanted Aminu or Ed Davis. We got Wes on a poison pill contract that Utah couldn't match.

I don't remember the Andre Miller deal...

I have no idea why we overpay guys rather than letting the market set their value. Maybe that's part of the deal when we convince them to sign with us in the first place?
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Many teams wanted Aminu and Ed Davis, tons of contenders did. Maybe on cheaper deals though. We may have paid them more though but both still ended up being great value. Wes was still only an MLE deal that the Jazz misjudged as overpaid. Miller was signed with cap space above the MLE.

Those were all inexpensive contracts and fine to take a flyer on. Grant is a crippling 160million for a bench player on a 35 wins team. That's the reason it's considered one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

Simons we drafted and Nurk we acquired long prior to his final deal. So there couldn't have been agreements to get them to come here.

Grant is the only one that argument could possibly apply to. But if true it still was a stupid move.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Many teams wanted Aminu and Ed Davis, tons of contenders did. Maybe on cheaper deals though. We may have paid them more though but both still ended up being great value. Wes was still only an MLE deal that the Jazz misjudged as overpaid. Miller was signed with cap space above the MLE.

Those were all inexpensive contracts and fine to take a flyer on. Grant is a crippling 160million for a bench player on a 35 wins team. That's the reason it's considered one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

Simons we drafted and Nurk we acquired long prior to his final deal traded for. So there couldn't have been agreements go get them to come here.

Grant is the only one that argument could possibly apply to. But if true it still was a stupid move.
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Nobody good wanted them at that price though.

Wes was definitely a great move. Utah was in a tight spot and we took advantage of it.

I'd be willing to bet we offered Miller more than anybody else. Which I'm fine with. I liked having him here.

But I have no doubt we overpaid the market on most of those guys.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Nobody good wanted them at that price though.

Wes was definitely a great move. Utah was in a tight spot and we took advantage of it.

I'd be willing to bet we offered Miller more than anybody else. Which I'm fine with. I liked having him here.

But I have no doubt we overpaid the market on most of those guys.
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Miller might have not had options, I can't remember exactly. I believe Philly was going to rebuild so didn't really need him.

Aminu and Davis weren't really overpays. The difference we did to get them is give them those offers immediately the first hour of free agency when big markets were chasing the big name star players. One of the very few shrewd free agency moves of the Olshey/Cronin duo.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Nobody good wanted them at that price though.

Wes was definitely a great move. Utah was in a tight spot and we took advantage of it.

I'd be willing to bet we offered Miller more than anybody else. Which I'm fine with. I liked having him here.

But I have no doubt we overpaid the market on most of those guys.
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One guy I don't think we overpaid for was Derek Anderson. He was going to sign with us for the MLE no matter what happened. We just ended up getting him in a sign and trade instead and gave him a little more than that.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/2001/0719/1228461.html
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Miller might have not had options, I can't remember exactly. I believe Philly was going to rebuild so didn't really need him.

Aminu and Davis weren't really overpays. The difference we did to get them is give them those offers immediately the first hour of free agency when big markets were chasing the big name star players. One of the very few shrewd free agency moves of the Olshey/Cronin duo.
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I'll go along with that. Plus I think Olshey had relationships with them already from prior teams.
 
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Negotiations and potential offers: Biggest upcoming NBA rookie extension decisions

As an Oct. 20 deadline looms, here's everything you need to know about the biggest potential NBA rookie contract extension decisions that have yet to unfold.
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Shaedon Sharpe, Portland Trail Blazers

Why an extension could get done: Sharpe was general manager Joe Cronin's first draft pick in 2022, and will play this season -- his fourth in the NBA -- at just 22 years old. He's also a 6-foot-6 multifaceted wing who averaged 18.5 points last season. Add that up, and it's easy to see why Portland would want to keep him as part of its program moving forward. -- Bontemps

Why it might not: Cap flexibility next offseason. Even after trading for Jrue Holiday and then signing Damian Lillard, Portland has $129 million in salary. The salary cap is projected to be $166 million. But Sharpe has a $25.2 million cap hold as a free agent, meaning Portland is already over the cap. The Blazers would have to let Sharpe walk in free agency to free up room. -- Marks

What I would offer: Four years, $105 million. The contract seems rich, but I am betting on Sharpe's upside. In his first two seasons combined, he scored 1,299 points, and scored 1,335 points last season. He became the first Trail Blazer to have seven career 30-point games before turning 22. The contract would start at $29 million and then decline each season, with the last year being $23.5 million. The Trail Blazers would be $40 million below the luxury tax, leaving them enough room to sign Toumani Camara to a contract and also have access to the non-tax midlevel exception. -- Marks

Will it happen?: The bet here is this one gets done. The Blazers have added veterans to augment their young core, but Portland has expressed a belief that it can build upon its strong second half from last season. Keeping Sharpe and building on that momentum moving forward is part of that plan. -- Bontemps
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I'm be ok with 4 for $105m with Sharpe. I wouldn't offer any more though. After we've had so many players end up on overpaid deals I'd rather risk we get stuck paying more than we want a year from now than we have another contract with negative value. Sharpe has flashes but his defense isn't great and his offense is inefficient.

Camara I forget what the max is he can agree to - maybe someone posted earlier. Really not sure if the hold up is actual negotiations between both sides, that Camara has decided to wait until next summer, or the Blazers want the cap flexibility of waiting to give him a raise.

The deadline is around 5pm Monday.
 
Bontemps is locking in his prediction by saying 105 is 'rich', so that when Portland pays more he can immediately say he's overpaid.

I'd be shocked if Sharpe took that offer--I'm guessing he wants more. (I'm not saying he's worth that, I'm just saying I think Klutch will push for way more.)
 
I think 5 years 120M would be a good deal. I hope that's how far our front office would go. I really think if they wait until next off season, Shaedon if healthy will be in line for a max extension, not supermax but max.
 
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