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but I fear Cronin is going to get rolled

Wouldn't shock me, either. Like I mentioned in the Cronin thread, the spotlight's on him. He either hits a home run on this trade or he should be out of a job. I don't think there should be any in between. It's too important and you'd think we'd hold the cards unless Dame tries to be difficult. This is like "Glengarry Glen Ross": First prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Second prize is you're fired.
 
Miami - Dame

Portland - Claxton/Jaquez(or Jovic)/Simmons(for salary)/2027 and 29 Phoenix 1s/2027 Miami 1/2 Pick swaps with Miami

Brooklyn - Nurk/Herro/2029 Miami 1

Add whatever filler to make money work. I could live with this.
The money works because Brooklyn has two different TPEs that could absorb Nurk's salary.

Edit: Miami does need to send out more salary but Brooklyn could take on Duncan Robinson's contract as well.
 
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What I don't get is why Dame claims to "not want to join a superteam"? They went to the fucking finals last year. I am reading "Miami or bust". Fuck that attitude. Again, Dame signs off on re-signing Ant and Nurk for way to goddamn much, rendering them immobile. Dame ~forces Joe to sign Grant, who does not really a difference make. He has a role in this mess. I remember the traps against the Pels in the 0-4 sweep. He is partly responsible.
 
Wouldn't shock me, either. Like I mentioned in the Cronin thread, the spotlight's on him. He either hits a home run on this trade or he should be out of a job. I don't think there should be any in between. It's too important and you'd think we'd hold the cards unless Dame tries to be difficult. This is like "Glengarry Glen Ross": First prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Second prize is you're fired.
Actually, second prize was a set of steak knives, but your point stands. THIS is the trade where we have to show backbone and not give in. There will be tons of pressure in the media and around the league to do so.
 
What I don't get is why Dame claims to "not want to join a superteam"? They went to the fucking finals last year. I am reading "Miami or bust". Fuck that attitude. Again, Dame signs off on re-signing Ant and Nurk for way to goddamn much, rendering them immobile. Dame ~forces Joe to sign Grant, who does not really a difference make. He has a role in this mess. I remember the traps against the Pels in the 0-4 sweep. He is partly responsible.
There are so many bullshit assumptions here. Do you actually think that Dame negotiates or signs off on teammate's salaries? I know the team asked him about personnel moves but I don't think he's in other player's salary negotiations. I'm sure he pushed the team to re-sign Grant early but I think it's a stretch to say that you know he was still pushing for that on Monday, let alone forcing Joe for fuck's sake. Dame has no role in the fact that this team's management never put a competitive team around him after LaMarcus (I know we went to the WCF but it still wasn't a good roster).

The facts are so incredibly simple. Dame said if the team wanted to go with youth that's not his way, they chose youth. Joe can try to frame it any way he wants and you can buy that bullshit but Joe kept saying he was going to push all of the chips in on win now moves and he kept not doing it. Joe was assistant GM when Dame went off about urgency before the Olympics, the team showed no urgency under Joe. It's fine Joe seems like a very risk averse individual. So he kicks the can for as long as he can. When he picked Scoot and then at the presser said the team intends to keep him what in the world did anyone actually think Dame was going to do... including Joe.

Edit: I will say the Miami or bust shit is fucking annoying but I don't know how real that is because it's just reports. If Joe gets a good offer from another competitive team he should accept it and see what Dame does.
 
Apparently there's a Dame tweet out there implying he's going to Miami to win a couple chips like Lebron did and then come back to Portland and win one.....I guess if it makes him feel less guilty, he's a wordsmith, I'll give him that. I don't use twitter so don't know for sure.
I heard that Damian "liked" that tweet, he didn't tweet that tweet. It's nice to see fan support for Damian from time to time.
 
Marang said Utah will make an offer. Amick says Utah, Philly and Clippers.

I watched the JR podcast. All Marang could say is "what would you do? Hmmm? What would you do? I have a Blazers press pass, it's not easy being a GM. What would you do to make this team better? Hmmm? It's not an easy job. See my Blazers press pass?? See it?? What would you do that's different?? There's nobody in the NBA that Cronin could sign. What would you do, hmmm?? I'm waiting... see my press pass??"
 
There are so many bullshit assumptions here. Do you actually think that Dame negotiates or signs off on teammate's salaries? I know the team asked him about personnel moves but I don't think he's in other player's salary negotiations. I'm sure he pushed the team to re-sign Grant early but I think it's a stretch to say that you know he was still pushing for that on Monday, let alone forcing Joe for fuck's sake. Dame has no role in the fact that this team's management never put a competitive team around him after LaMarcus (I know we went to the WCF but it still wasn't a good roster).

The facts are so incredibly simple. Dame said if the team wanted to go with youth that's not his way, they chose youth. Joe can try to frame it any way he wants and you can buy that bullshit but Joe kept saying he was going to push all of the chips in on win now moves and he kept not doing it. Joe was assistant GM when Dame went off about urgency before the Olympics, the team showed no urgency under Joe. It's fine Joe seems like a very risk averse individual. So he kicks the can for as long as he can. When he picked Scoot and then at the presser said the team intends to keep him what in the world did anyone actually think Dame was going to do... including Joe.

Edit: I will say the Miami or bust shit is fucking annoying but I don't know how real that is because it's just reports. If Joe gets a good offer from another competitive team he should accept it and see what Dame does.
Wow! It's such an honor that you've joined our forum, Mr. Goodwin!
 
There are so many bullshit assumptions here. Do you actually think that Dame negotiates or signs off on teammate's salaries? I know the team asked him about personnel moves but I don't think he's in other player's salary negotiations. I'm sure he pushed the team to re-sign Grant early but I think it's a stretch to say that you know he was still pushing for that on Monday, let alone forcing Joe for fuck's sake. Dame has no role in the fact that this team's management never put a competitive team around him after LaMarcus (I know we went to the WCF but it still wasn't a good roster).

The facts are so incredibly simple. Dame said if the team wanted to go with youth that's not his way, they chose youth. Joe can try to frame it any way he wants and you can buy that bullshit but Joe kept saying he was going to push all of the chips in on win now moves and he kept not doing it. Joe was assistant GM when Dame went off about urgency before the Olympics, the team showed no urgency under Joe. It's fine Joe seems like a very risk averse individual. So he kicks the can for as long as he can. When he picked Scoot and then at the presser said the team intends to keep him what in the world did anyone actually think Dame was going to do... including Joe.

Edit: I will say the Miami or bust shit is fucking annoying but I don't know how real that is because it's just reports. If Joe gets a good offer from another competitive team he should accept it and see what Dame does.
Do we get to hold him accountable for all the statements he has made? or just these last few? How about when he criticized people and said he would never join a super team? How about how he wanted to retire a Blazer? how about how he was willing to fight and never take the easy way out. How about all his talk about loyalty and all the talk he spread for years before doing exactly what he coitized others for doing? Can we hold him to those? or just what he said once he signed his big contract?
 
Wow! It's such an honor that you've joined our forum, Mr. Goodwin!
I'm just a Dame fan. I'm a Blazers fan first but I'm still a Dame fan. I actually appreciate everything he's given to this team. I don't think the front office ever did right by him during his prime but he stayed until finally he reached his breaking point... I could see how that would happen when he makes it known to them that he doesn't want to go young but they do anyway. I really don't think Joe wanted Dame to stay... if he did he's the shittiest GM I've ever seen.
 
There are so many bullshit assumptions here. Do you actually think that Dame negotiates or signs off on teammate's salaries? I know the team asked him about personnel moves but I don't think he's in other player's salary negotiations. I'm sure he pushed the team to re-sign Grant early but I think it's a stretch to say that you know he was still pushing for that on Monday, let alone forcing Joe for fuck's sake. Dame has no role in the fact that this team's management never put a competitive team around him after LaMarcus (I know we went to the WCF but it still wasn't a good roster).



The facts are so incredibly simple. Dame said if the team wanted to go with youth that's not his way, they chose youth. Joe can try to frame it any way he wants and you can buy that bullshit but Joe kept saying he was going to push all of the chips in on win now moves and he kept not doing it. Joe was assistant GM when Dame went off about urgency before the Olympics, the team showed no urgency under Joe. It's fine Joe seems like a very risk averse individual. So he kicks the can for as long as he can. When he picked Scoot and then at the presser said the team intends to keep him what in the world did anyone actually think Dame was going to do... including Joe.

Edit: I will say the Miami or bust shit is fucking annoying but I don't know how real that is because it's just reports. If Joe gets a good offer from another competitive team he should accept it and see what Dame does.

We all make assumptions when we don’t have real data. It’s a fucking fan forum. Remember? The point is Dame could have forced this before resigning Ant and Nurk. I think he was loyal to a fault. If he had a hand in Grant joining then why don’t you think he had a hand in those other transactions? I think, yes think, he did and they were decisions he made out of loyalty to friends. Your assumptions are no more valid than mine.

Fuck he said a few days ago he was staying. Remember? We ALL had that impression after the meeting with Joe and even more so after the Grant re-sign. Dame is a great player but perhaps not the best at selecting talent.
 
Do we get to hold him accountable for all the statements he has made? or just these last few? How about when he criticized people and said he would never join a super team? How about how he wanted to retire a Blazer? how about how he was willing to fight and never take the easy way out. How about all his talk about loyalty and all the talk he spread for years before doing exactly what he coitized others for doing? Can we hold him to those? or just what he said once he signed his big contract?


This x 10^6
 
Actually, second prize was a set of steak knives, but your point stands. THIS is the trade where we have to show backbone and not give in. There will be tons of pressure in the media and around the league to do so.

Yeah, but I wasn't giving Cronin steak knives if he screwed this up. It's too important.
 
Do we get to hold him accountable for all the statements he has made? or just these last few? How about when he criticized people and said he would never join a super team? How about how he wanted to retire a Blazer? how about how he was willing to fight and never take the easy way out. How about all his talk about loyalty and all the talk he spread for years before doing exactly what he coitized others for doing? Can we hold him to those? or just what he said once he signed his big contract?
You get to feel however it is you feel and see this thing however you want to see it. If you want to demonize the most loyal superstar this team has ever had for finally being fed up, after years of begging for help and having those pleas fall on deaf ears... cool. I don't think Dame should have demanded a trade today, it should have been on Monday. No loyalty should be unconditional except probably to your kids, definitely no loyalty in business should be unconditional. I guess you can criticize Dame for thinking that our front office would keep its word. I mean you can criticize him for whatever you want but I don't find it fair to criticize someone for changing their mind after years of showing urgency to be at a championship level and never getting the same from management.
 
Knicks have 3 FRPs in next year’s draft. I want them all unprotected. We could get Bronny and his dad. Win it all in 2025.

I don't think next year's draft is expected to be that good. We'll likely be in the lottery as it is. Might be better to spread the picks out over the next three years.
 
Apparently there's a Dame tweet out there implying he's going to Miami to win a couple chips like Lebron did and then come back to Portland and win one.....I guess if it makes him feel less guilty, he's a wordsmith, I'll give him that. I don't use twitter so don't know for sure.

It's probably just being in the moment, but I'm not really interested in Dame coming back to Portland in five years. He's a great talent, but he's not LeBron, and LeBron won in Cleveland before he was 38.

As far as I'm concerned, Dame can take a tour of the league for the rest of his career.
 
It's probably just being in the moment, but I'm not really interested in Dame coming back to Portland in five years. He's a great talent, but he's not LeBron, and LeBron won in Cleveland before he was 38.

As far as I'm concerned, Dame can take a tour of the league for the rest of his career.
Exactly f***ing right. Enjoy being passed around like a joint at a campfire. Maybe then he'll appreciate what he had here.
 
Exactly f***ing right. Enjoy being passed around like a joint at a campfire. Maybe then he'll appreciate what he had here.

Kind of the way I look at it is nostalgia signings are for teams that aren't going anywhere and need a spectacle to put people in the seats. We didn't do it for Walton, Drexler, Roy or Aldridge. I see no reason to do it for Dame considering the circumstances of his departure.

Maybe we can sign Blevins to Dame's spot on the roster in five years when he's playing for the Hawks.
 
Begging for help was ok-ing the resigning Ant and Nurk and signing and resigning Grant. Dame is not a victim. He was rewarded richly for his time here and he can move on.


Now do I hope he “wins a few rings”?
NFW.
Couldn’t give two shits. I only want POR to win. He is not on my team. I hope Scoot guards his ass and holds him to 20pts and that POR beats MIA ass, every time. To think anything else…you arent a fan imho.

Would I do anything like boo him etc? No of course not.

This is business it’s not personal Sonny.
 
Begging for help was ok-ing the resigning Ant and Nurk and signing and resigning Grant. Dame is not a victim. He was rewarded richly for his time here and he can move on.


Now do I hope he “wins a few rings”?
NFW.
Couldn’t give two shits. I only want POR to win. He is not on my team. I hope Scoot guards his ass and holds him to 20pts and that POR beats MIA ass, every time. To think anything else…you arent a fan imho.

Would I do anything like boo him etc? No of course not.

This is business it’s not personal Sonny.
ha! ... Dame might drop a 90 in Portland
 
Just an aside, but where is Adam Silver in all of this? He has absolutely lost control over his league. These targeted destinations demanded by players with other teams chiming in are nothing more than tampering. Start enacting penalties against these clubs. We are free to trade Dame wherever we please. If he doesn't like it, he can retire. This GMing by players has to stop. It's killing the league.
 
I love all the expectations in here for the return on a passive-aggressive jump shooter who only wants to play on a team that is a guaranteed contender. I'm sure y'all will be happy with the results
 
I love all the expectations in here for the return on a passive-aggressive jump shooter who only wants to play on a team that is a guaranteed contender. I'm sure y'all will be happy with the results

Uhhh.... Wut? No one is expecting anything other than they better not trade him to the team that would yield one of the shittiest returns

And I still stand by 5 FRP. Fuck those other teams futures. They want Dame? Pay the fuck up.
 
just as long as "lots" = 2

that's how many picks Miami has to trade 2028 & 2030; 5 and 7 years from now. Not exactly a "haul" is it?
No it isn't. I'm in the mindset that they need to include a third or even fourth team to make this happen. Miami simply does not have what it takes to get the value Damian Lillard brings without giving up one of their main pieces.
 
Did a quick scan of Twitter before going on a run.

One writer tweeted that the Heat didn't want to give up Jovic. Another tweeted the Heat didn't want to part with Martin. Also, the Heat signed Jaquez, which means he can't be traded for 30 days.

Now, with all respect to what the Heat want, if they want someone like Dame, I don't think they get to keep either Jovic or Martin, and I want Jaquez, too.

If the Blazers want to send Dame to a preferred destination, so be it, but if that preferred destination doesn't want to give up anything, the heck with them and Dame. Send him wherever you get the best deal and make it their problem.

I said this about Dame when he said players want to come to Portland -- tell your friends to tell their teams you want to be traded to Portland. OK, that didn't seem to happen. Now, Dame, if you want to go to Miami, tell the Heat to get a deal done, and Cronin, don't you dare give in on this; hold their feet to the fire.
Yeah. At what point does Cronin look at dame and say "Well they tried but MIami simply doesn't think you are worth trading for?
At some point this isn't even on Joe? If i was Lillard I would expect the team to pay for my value as well.
 
Yeah. At what point does Cronin look at dame and say "Well they tried but MIami simply doesn't think you are worth trading for?
At some point this isn't even on Joe? If i was Lillard I would expect the team to pay for my value as well.
Dame wants it to be like free agency. He wants his cake and eat it too. He got his money, security and now he wants to play somewhere else without that team having to give up any assets
 
Yes, I prefer the Nets as a trade partner. But the more I think about it, maybe Miami does have something to offer.

Have we discussed Jaquez Jr and Jovic in detail? If not maybe we should.
I have watched Jaquez quite a bit and I like him. I think he could be a very good starting SF next to Scoot and Sharpe

Jovic I know nothing about except he looks like a stretch PF in his highlights. Does he have the potential to be very good?
I want to hear from the Jovic supporters if there are any.

If Miami can come up with a 3rd young player for Herro, (Big if) they might be able to come up with a package with Lowry as a big part of the matching salaries.......if we think Jaquez and Jovic are any good.
 

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