Politics FBI bulletin warns of 'dirty bomb' threat and increasing calls for 'civil war'

[barfo]

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/americas-crime-wave.375466/

Do you think most of the people in the various posts in that thread committing crimes are republican or democratic leaning people?

Most street criminals aren't particularly tuned into politics, I'd imagine.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

Sweet jesus. You asking me for a link? Most of you live around Portland, where the federal courthouse was seiged for 100 days. They tried to set it on fire with people inside. That alone was more violent than jan 6.

There was no coordination. That was an act of an individual, who is now in prison. Nobody ever supported that person. And that building was never in danger of being burned.

Blm riots were extremely violent and democratic leaders supported them and contributed to their bale.

They were protests. No Dem leaders supported violence. Just the right to assemble and protest.

Antifa goon shot guy on cold blood, countless assaults. Your so brainwashed you can't see reality.

We've gone over this. According to the shooter, that was self defense. The video appears to back that up. The deceased was harrsssing protestors, and chasing the shooter.

You don't get to harass, threaten, and chase people while open carrying a semiautomatic weapon with multiple extended magazines, and then claim you are a victim when the person you're chasing fights back.

And the illegal hit on a US citizen, ordered by Trump, is just more proof of his authoritarian desires. As was his support of using violence against protestors. Which is why the deceased and his gang was there in the first place. With the support of Trump and law enforcement.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Most street criminals aren't particularly tuned into politics, I'd imagine.

barfo

Does it matter, but i am full on willing to bet more are than aren't, at least on a limited level.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

There was no coordination. That was an act of an individual, who is now in prison. Nobody ever supported that person. And that building was never in danger of being burned.


They were protests. No Dem leaders supported violence. Just the right to assemble and protest.


We've gone over this. According to the shooter, that was self defense. The video appears to back that up. The deceased was harrsssing protestors, and chasing the shooter.

You don't get to harass, threaten, and chase people while open carrying a semiautomatic weapon with multiple extended magazines, and then claim you are a victim when the person you're chasing fights back.

And the illegal hit on a US citizen, ordered by Trump, is just more proof of his authoritarian desires. As was his support of using violence against protestors. Which is why the deceased and his gang was there in the first place. With the support of Trump and law enforcement.

The problem with this is republicans are constantly called on by the left to condemn those doing harm within thier own.
Where are the Dems condemning their own?
Where is your statement, “yes it was also wrong of the left to do so and so…”
its always minimized and excused like you basically just did.
Because someone isn't in the same room as where they broke in and lit a fire its minimized?
No one was in the white house rooms that were broken into, so no one was in danger their either then correct?

huge double standard.

“They were protests. No Dem leaders supported violence. Just the right to assemble and protest.”

no one supported it. Just turned their backs on it, but then rail on republicans when they turn theirs back on things and don't speak up.

huge double standard my man. Huge.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The problem with this is republicans are constantly called on by the left to condemn those doing harm within thier own.
Where are the Dems condemning their own?
Where is your statement, “yes it was also wrong of the left to do so and so…”
its always minimized and excused like you basically just did.
Because someone isn't in the same room as where they broke in and lit a fire its minimized?
No one was in the white house rooms that were broken into, so no one was in danger their either then correct?

huge double standard.

“They were protests. No Dem leaders supported violence. Just the right to assemble and protest.”

no one supported it. Just turned their backs on it, but then rail on republicans when they turn theirs back on things and don't speak up.

huge double standard my man. Huge.

Nobody turned their back on anything. The fire was put out by protestors, the individual was turned in by protestors, and the video that convicted the guy to prison was taken and turned in by protestors.

There was no support at all for this person. Nothing was dismissed. This person is in jail where they belong. The protestors handled it correctly. No further action was needed.

No double standard. Anybody who commits property damage, theft, or violence should be arrested and charged. As this person was.

What else are you suggesting I do?

The people broke into the White House should also be tried. Same standard. If anybody ordered them to do it or enabled it they should also be tried and convicted.

Just as any Dem leader who encouraged violence should be. But no Dem leaders have done so, as far as I am aware.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Nobody turned their back on anything. The fire was put out by protestors, the individual was turned in by protestors, and the video that convicted the guy to prison was taken and turned in by protestors.

There was no support at all for this person. Nothing was dismissed. This person is in jail where they belong. The protestors handled it correctly. No further action was needed.

No double standard. Anybody who commits property damage, theft, or violence should be arrested and charged. As this person was.

What else are you suggesting I do?

Not pinpointing that one instance overall, only specified it because it was already mentioned.

let me ask this. Where are the dems regularly condemning the actions being done by those in the Americas crime spree thread?
Its like picking a needle out of a haystack.

I would say condemn equally is all. Many here do not do so and it comes off as very biased.
I recall reading in a thread that if one doesn't speak out against, they are in support of.
Looks like many people support the crimes sprees the left has been engaging in.

can you please stop saying no one or anyone and just speak for yourself? I am sure you agree you don't know what everyone says or doesn't say out there in the world.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not pinpointing that one instance overall, only specified it because it was already mentioned.

let me ask this. Where are the dems regularly condemning the actions being done by those in the Americas crime spree thread?
Its like picking a needle out of a haystack.

I would say condemn equally is all. Many here do not do so and it comes off as very biased.
I recall reading in a thread that if one doesn't speak out against, they are in support of.
Looks like many people support the crimes sprees the left has been engaging in.

can you please stop saying no one or anyone and just speak for yourself? I am sure you agree you don't know what everyone says or doesn't say out there in the world.

Can you please be specific? Who is supporting the increased crime? Who is actively encouraging it?

No, unless you can show me evidence of somebody supporting those things they were not being supported by anybody who matters.

I'm not sure what you want Dems to condemn. Please be specific?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Can you please be specific? Who is supporting the increased crime? Who is actively encouraging it?

No, unless you can show me evidence of somebody supporting those things they were not being supported by anybody who matters.

I'm not sure what you want Dems to condemn. Please be specific?

okay. You yourself have said if republicans don't actively speak out against things, they are effectively supporting.

How is that not carried over to this topic of crime? And how is this standard not held against dems like it is reps?

Where are the numerous posts on this site and in the social media world, from the left, condemning the crimes happening?

To your credit, ive read you, more than most here, condemn things from both sides. Most of the left does not though. Its plainly evident in the crime spree thread.

How many left leaning posters post in there that things happening aRe wrong vs how many regularly post what the reps are doing is wrong and they should call out thier own?

Calling out there own is a two way street and from my vantage point, its skewed one way in a pretty drastic way.

 

[barfo]

Does it matter, but i am full on willing to bet more are than aren't, at least on a limited level.

Does it matter? I don't know, you brought it up, didn't you?

barfo

 

[RR7]

okay. You yourself have said if republicans don't actively speak out against things, they are effectively supporting.

How is that not carried over to this topic of crime? And how is this standard not held against dems like it is reps?

Where are the numerous posts on this site and in the social media world, from the left, condemning the crimes happening?

To your credit, ive read you, more than most here, condemn things from both sides. Most of the left does not though. Its plainly evident in the crime spree thread.

How many left leaning posters post in there that things happening aRe wrong vs how many regularly post what the reps are doing is wrong and they should call out thier own?

Calling out there own is a two way street and from my vantage point, its skewed one way in a pretty drastic way.

You say call out there own as if random street crimes and smash and grabs are all done by democrats? And for reasons of supporting democratic policies? It's one thing to condemn a crime where someone does it in your name or support. the crime spree tread is random criminals that nobody would support. Why would democrats have to specifically condemn a random individual that robs a plaid pantry? Maybe use specifics instead of talking in grand sweeping generalizations?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Does it matter? I don't know, you brought it up, didn't you?

barfo

Care to address the balance of the post that effectively answers this question?

Are you going on record as saying you don't think these crimes aRe largely being committed by democratic voters?

 

[barfo]

okay. You yourself have said if republicans don't actively speak out against things, they are effectively supporting.

How is that not carried over to this topic of crime? And how is this standard not held against dems like it is reps?

Where are the numerous posts on this site and in the social media world, from the left, condemning the crimes happening?

To your credit, ive read you, more than most here, condemn things from both sides. Most of the left does not though. Its plainly evident in the crime spree thread.

How many left leaning posters post in there that things happening aRe wrong vs how many regularly post what the reps are doing is wrong and they should call out thier own?

Calling out there own is a two way street and from my vantage point, its skewed one way in a pretty drastic way.

I think most of us are against crime.

I hereby condemn all crime, and all criminals.

Happy now?

barfo

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

You say call out there own as if random street crimes and smash and grabs are all done by democrats? And for reasons of supporting democratic policies? It's one thing to condemn a crime where someone does it in your name or support. the crime spree tread is random criminals that nobody would support. Why would democrats have to specifically condemn a random individual that robs a plaid pantry? Maybe use specifics instead of talking in grand sweeping generalizations?

Wrong. I didn't say all.
i said largely committed by.
Are you going on record as saying you don't think its largely democratic voters and leaners committing these crimes?

 

[barfo]

Care to address the balance of the post that effectively answers this question?

Are you going on record as saying you don't think these crimes aRe largely being committed by democratic voters?

Yes, I suspect that most street criminals don't vote and don't particularly give a shit about what goes on in DC or city hall.

I can't prove that one way or the other, but if you have evidence to support your position, I'd be happy to consider it.

barfo

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I think most of us are against crime.

I hereby condemn all crime, and all criminals.

Happy now?

barfo

No becuase this is not the same standard the right has been held to.
We have been told to actively stand up against things. Like trump. Like racism.

I condemn all racism, but have been told i do support it because i didn't comment/condemn specific things.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Yes, I suspect that most street criminals don't vote and don't particularly give a shit about what goes on in DC or city hall.

I can't prove that one way or the other, but if you have evidence to support your position, I'd be happy to consider it.

barfo

I disagree with you on most don't lean one way or the other politically. ill take your evidence first please.

 

[RR7]

Wrong. I didn't say all.
i said largely committed by.
Are you going on record as saying you don't think its largely democratic voters and leaners committing these crimes?

Going on record? Is this a trial in a court of law? maybe take it down a notch?
Like barfo, I highly doubt most in those videos in that thread have strong political leanings at all.

 

[RR7]

I disagree with you on most don't lean one way or the other politically. ill take your evidence first please.

burden of proof, again. If you want to claim they're left leaning, show your work. Otherwise, I can say they're all patriot prayer people, and maybe even you're in one of the videos, prove me wrong.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Ohh the denial and excuse making is hilarious.

im gonna grab some popcorn and enjoy the spin.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

burden of proof, again. If you want to claim they're left leaning, show your work. Otherwise, I can say they're all patriot prayer people, and maybe even you're in one of the videos, prove me wrong.

Lol.
Not everything can be proven but can still be true.
Knock yourself out.

You cant prove trump is a racist either right? But many make the claim right?

Lol. The hypocrisy is astounding!

 

[RR7]

Lol.
Not everything can be proven but can still be true.
Knock yourself out.


Tou cant prove trump is a racist either right? But many make the claim right?


Lol. The hypocrisy is astounding!

ahh, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hypocrisy? Spin? ok

Why not use specifics, like I asked, in what people should be calling out exactly? Nobody supports the smash and grab criminals in that thread. Nobody speaks up for them. They are not representative of anything. Do I need to hold a press conference to condemn them? What is it specifically you actually are wanting? You're, again, just making broad generalizations and wide ranging "accusations" about...nothing, really.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

ahh, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hypocrisy? Spin? ok

Why not use specifics, like I asked, in what people should be calling out exactly? Nobody supports the smash and grab criminals in that thread. Nobody speaks up for them. They are not representative of anything. Do I need to hold a press conference to condemn them? What is it specifically you actually are wanting? You're, again, just making broad generalizations and wide ranging "accusations" about...nothing, really.

Sir, i already explained this when i addressed the crime spree thread and the lack of comments condemning those crimes being committed, by left leaning posters.
Are you asking me to go thru it and quote a bunch of posts that no one commented on?
Come on now…

why don't you quote how many times you have condemned the crimes being committed in that thread? Or how many times anyone here has condemned the crimes?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

ahh, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hypocrisy? Spin? ok

Why not use specifics, like I asked, in what people should be calling out exactly? Nobody supports the smash and grab criminals in that thread. Nobody speaks up for them. They are not representative of anything. Do I need to hold a press conference to condemn them? What is it specifically you actually are wanting? You're, again, just making broad generalizations and wide ranging "accusations" about...nothing, really.

If you didn't actively condemn the actions, you are effectively supporting them. There are no specifics needed. This was what i was told many times. How does that statement not go both ways?

How is that not hypocritical?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

lol.

 

[RR7]

If you didn't actively condemn the actions, you are effectively supporting them. There are no specifics needed. This was what i was told many times. How does that statement not go both ways?

How is that not hypocritical?

Generally when those statements are made, it is because the person committing the crime is doing so as part of their political leanings. Condemning someone attempting a coup, for example. Or condemning someone for violence aimed towards people of a different political belief. Random smash and grabs generally don't warrant individuals having to openly condemn them because, again, nobody supports them. It's not done with political beliefs in mind. It's not done to prop or support a political party.
But, I condemn all of the crimes in that thread!
happy? jesus

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Generally when those statements are made, it is because the person committing the crime is doing so as part of their political leanings. Condemning someone attempting a coup, for example. Or condemning someone for violence aimed towards people of a different political belief. Random smash and grabs generally don't warrant individuals having to openly condemn them because, again, nobody supports them. It's not done with political beliefs in mind. It's not done to prop or support a political party.
But, I condemn all of the crimes in that thread!
happy? jesus

My name is not jesus.
But yes. I am happier. Good to know you don't actively minimize the cRimes being committed.
Without stating so would leave room for assumptions.
The same assumptions many people fall into when railing on republicans around here. But that is okay, I know. Because its part of a political thing its okay but when about standard crime its not.
And btw. Some did actually support the looting.
And then some more marginalized it.

 

[ehizzy3]

This is certainly a fascinating reach for a “both sides!!1!” discussion

 

[RR7]

My name is not jesus.
But yes. I am happier. Good to know you don't actively minimize the cRimes being committed.
Without stating so would leave room for assumptions.
The same assumptions many people fall into when railing on republicans around here. But that is okay, I know. Because its part of a political thing its okay but when about standard crime its not.
And btw. Some did actually support the looting.
And then some more marginalized it.

So this is more you complaining about the same thing you've been complaining and arguing about for the past 2 years, and you just woke up today and decided what the hell, I'm going to fight on the internet today? More generalizations, which normally you seemed opposed to. But today it's all many people, people did, people do, some, etc. Without specifics, you're just yelling for the sake of yelling, it appears. Have fun.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

So this is more you complaining about the same thing you've been complaining and arguing about for the past 2 years, and you just woke up today and decided what the hell, I'm going to fight on the internet today? More generalizations, which normally you seemed opposed to. But today it's all many people, people did, people do, some, etc. Without specifics, you're just yelling for the sake of yelling, it appears. Have fun.

who is fighting and yelling? That is quite a stretch. I apologize if you aren't able to have a conversation with someone who disagrees with you without making weird projections like that.

All many people?, im not even understanding you.

Remember who initiated with who on this please.

 

[barfo]

No becuase this is not the same standard the right has been held to.
We have been told to actively stand up against things. Like trump. Like racism.

I condemn all racism, but have been told i do support it because i didn't comment/condemn specific things.

Whatever. I don't feel responsible for what you've been told to do.

barfo