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[RR7]

who is fighting and yelling? That is quite a stretch. I apologize if you aren't able to have a conversation with someone who disagrees with you without making weird projections like that.

Remember who initiated with who on this please.

ok.
Feel free to show that the smash and grab criminals are socialists I should be condemning, or use specifics instead of sweeping generalizations about "some people" and "those on the left" etc. or it's really just bitching to see yourself bitch at this point.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

ok.
Feel free to show that the smash and grab criminals are socialists I should be condemning, or use specifics instead of sweeping generalizations about "some people" and "those on the left" etc. or it's really just bitching to see yourself bitch at this point.

There is no point. You will make an excuse no matter what proof or evidence I have.
Just move on bro.

 

[Shaboid]

Biden to host unity summit against hate-fueled violence

If only these lefties would stop supporting the crime in a thread on the Trailblazers OT forum!!

 

[RR7]

There is no point. You will make an excuse no matter what proof or evidence I have.
Just move on bro.

I've made no excuses at all. You supported the left being more violent by linking to the crime spree thread, which has no evidence of that. You make claims you can't back up and then LOL about the spin and hypocrisy from others instead of actually showing proof to back up your statements. Nobody has spun anything about that thread. Except you spinning that they're predominantly left leaning with nothing to back up your claim. And when asked to do so and asked for specifics on what you're saying, you spin, you deflect, and then you want to bail from the conversation. Cool

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I've made no excuses at all. You supported the left being more violent by linking to the crime spree thread, which has no evidence of that. You make claims you can't back up and then LOL about the spin and hypocrisy from others instead of actually showing proof to back up your statements. Nobody has spun anything about that thread. Except you spinning that they're predominantly left leaning with nothing to back up your claim. And when asked to do so and asked for specifics on what you're saying, you spin, you deflect, and then you want to bail from the conversation. Cool

Lol. Whatever you say.
You disagree with my claim aNd i believe that is a foolish disagreement. You can agree to disagree. But you cant prove they aren't left leaners any more than i can prove they are. But most of the world has enough common sense to know which way they likely lean.
Seems to me, you are yelling and bitching about my opinion. see how that goes?

You do you. Ill do me. Its all okay. Breathe.

 

[barfo]

It would be hard to present evidence on voting behavior for criminals who haven't been caught.
But for those who have been caught, there is evidence they don't vote.

https://news.mit.edu/2022/voting-prison-rare-0125https://news.mit.edu/2022/voting-prison-rare-0125

“People who end up with felony convictions in prison were often not voting that much before they were incarcerated,” White notes. “It’s not that there’s a dramatic drop after incarceration. These are people who had a lot of things going on in their lives even before they were incarcerated.”

barfo

 

[theprunetang]

Lol. Whatever you say.
You disagree with my claim aNd i believe that is a foolish disagreement. You can agree to disagree. But you cant prove they aren't left leaners any more than i can prove they are. But most of the world has enough common sense to know which way they likely lean.
Seems to me, you are yelling and bitching about my opinion. see how that goes?

You do you. Ill do me. Its all okay. Breathe.

Very ignorant take here.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Very ignorant take here.

I was yelling and bitching?
I was told being called ignorant is an insult( i dont actually care or feel insulted).

Care to specify the ignorance you see?
Or you just hopping on the biased bandwagon?

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

It would be hard to present evidence on voting behavior for criminals who haven't been caught.
But for those who have been caught, there is evidence they don't vote.

https://news.mit.edu/2022/voting-prison-rare-0125

“People who end up with felony convictions in prison were often not voting that much before they were incarcerated,” White notes. “It’s not that there’s a dramatic drop after incarceration. These are people who had a lot of things going on in their lives even before they were incarcerated.”

barfo

Theft is typically not a felony unless the value exceeds a certain amount.
Someone breaking a window and stealing a microwave i do not believe is a felon. Or that that is a felony.
Kinda comparing apples to oranges

 

[RR7]

I was yelling and bitching?
I was told being called ignorant is an insult( i dont actually care or feel insulted).

Care to specify the ignorance you see?
Or you just hopping on the biased bandwagon?

That's some next level comedy in this thread asking for evidence and specifics.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

That's some next level comedy in this thread asking for evidence and specifics.

Okay….

So no one can specify what was ignorant about that huh?
lol.
Too funny.
This from the guy who told me to have fun, insinuating he was leaving the convo, then condemns me for leaving the convo( i never did, nor did i say i was gonna) and then plays this card.

you are funny my man. Thanks for the entertainment!
Remember to breathe bro. You gonna cause yourself harm getting so worked up.

but keep trying to play the gotcha game if you want, its hilarious!

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[RR7]

Okay….

So no one can specify what was ignorant about that huh?
lol.
Too funny.
This from the guy who told me to have fun, insinuating he was leaving the convo, then condemns me for leaving the convo( i never did, nor did i say i was gonna) and then plays this card.

you are funny my man. Thanks for the entertainment!
Remember to breathe bro. You gonna cause yourself harm getting so worked up.

but keep trying to play the gotcha game if you want, its hilarious!

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Why don't you prove it WASN'T ignorant?
That would be stupid to expect, wouldn't it? I mean imagine, someone making a claim like that, and then YOU have to defend your lack of ignorance, instead of them providing the evidence and specifics required to back up a claim. Just asinine!

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Why don't you prove it WASN'T ignorant?
That would be stupid to expect, wouldn't it? I mean imagine, someone making a claim like that, and then YOU have to defend your lack of ignorance, instead of them providing the evidence and specifics required to back up a claim. Just asinine!

reading deficiencies?

i never asked anyone to prove anything about one being ignorant. I ask for one to specify what was ignorant. Not prove it was.
Why are you like this?
yawn….
Try again. Or just move on.
next you will claim i go on and on and on. Right?

lol.

 

[Phatguysrule]

okay. You yourself have said if republicans don't actively speak out against things, they are effectively supporting.

How is that not carried over to this topic of crime? And how is this standard not held against dems like it is reps?

Where are the numerous posts on this site and in the social media world, from the left, condemning the crimes happening?

To your credit, ive read you, more than most here, condemn things from both sides. Most of the left does not though. Its plainly evident in the crime spree thread.

How many left leaning posters post in there that things happening aRe wrong vs how many regularly post what the reps are doing is wrong and they should call out thier own?

Calling out there own is a two way street and from my vantage point, its skewed one way in a pretty drastic way.

Crime is a result of mismanagement. Desperate people make desperate decisions. Only a small percentage of people are predisposed to harming others. Some of those people become CEOs, some wind up in jail. Some wind up someplace in between.

Social policy and the response to environmental changes are what drive crime rates.

I don't support people who hurt others unnecessarily. Those people should go to jail.

I am opposed to people who limit social responses, or increase desperation in our communities which increases crime. As we have seen.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Crime is a result of mismanagement. Desperate people make desperate decisions. Only a small percentage of people are predisposed to harming others. Some of those people become CEOs, some wind up in jail. Some wind up someplace in between.

Social policy and the response to environmental changes are what drive crime rates.

I don't support people who hurt others unnecessarily. Those people should go to jail.

I am opposed to people who limit social responses, or increase desperation in our communities which increases crime. As we have seen.

Thank you for your constructive, non combative, non condecending response. Truly appreciated. I mean that. Its rare around here right now.
I agree with just about everything you said, however we all still have the ability to make choices regardless of our financial situation.
Some go get a second job. Some go back to school for more education. Some steal.
I agree we should not limit services that help the poverty stricken, but i also don't think we should allow the lack of to be an excuse to break the law.

 

[barfo]

Theft is typically not a felony unless the value exceeds a certain amount.
Someone breaking a window and stealing a microwave i do not believe is a felon. Or that that is a felony.
Kinda comparing apples to oranges

Sure. Ok, so I guess you accept that felons aren't Democrats, it's just petty criminals that are Democrats? Well, that's progress.

barfo

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Sure. Ok, so I guess you accept that felons aren't Democrats, it's just petty criminals that are Democrats? Well, that's progress.

barfo

Is that what i said? Not even close. You brought up stats on felons. I then mentioned that the crimes we have seen in the american crime spree thread i do not believe to be felony crimes so therefore convicted criminals of these crimes would not have been included in the stat you provided, correct?

Sorry, your guess is not even close.

 

[barfo]

Is that what i said? Not even close. You brought up stats on felons. I then mentioned that the crimes we have seen in the american crime spree thread i do not believe to be felony crimes so therefore convicted criminals of these crimes would not have been included in the stat you provided, correct?

Sorry, your guess is not even close.

Well, you are wrong about that, of course. A great number of things in that thread are felonies.

barfo

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Well, you are wrong about that, of course. A great number of things in that thread are felonies.

barfo

It is a felony or a misdemeanor to break a window and steal a microwave from a store?

i dont know. I am asking. I do know that requires a certain value of the stolen item for the crime to be deemed a felony, correct?

 

[barfo]

It is a felony or a misdemeanor to break a window and steal a microwave from a store?

i dont know. I am asking. I do know that requires a certain value of the stolen item for the crime to be deemed a felony, correct?

Go read the crime thread. There are murders in there, car theft, all sorts of other felonies.

barfo

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Go read the crime thread. There are murders in there, car theft, all sorts of other felonies.

barfo

oh i know, but by and large, most are smash and grabs. And those were what we were discussing i thought, considering even rr7 said smash and grabs?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Thank you for your constructive, non combative, non condecending response. Truly appreciated. I mean that. Its rare around here right now.
I agree with just about everything you said, however we all still have the ability to make choices regardless of our financial situation.
Some go get a second job. Some go back to school for more education. Some steal.
I agree we should not limit services that help the poverty stricken, but i also don't think we should allow the lack of to be an excuse to break the law.

It's not an excuse. People who break the law should be punished. But punishing people doesn't prevent crime in a democracy. If it did, the US would have less crime than any other country in the world.

We don't. We have more criminals (people in jail convicted of crimes) than any country in the world. We have 20% of the world's prisoners and 4% of the world's population.

If we want to prevent crime we need to update our social policies to help people rather than punish them.

 

[Chris Craig]

It is a felony or a misdemeanor to break a window and steal a microwave from a store?

i dont know. I am asking. I do know that requires a certain value of the stolen item for the crime to be deemed a felony, correct?

Correct...the cost of the window may also be taken into account. But, alot of people smashing and grabbing are taking expensive things...so it's a felony.

Also, most of the crimes in the crime thread are felonies.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Correct...the cost of the window may also be taken into account. But, alot of people smashing and grabbing are taking expensive things...so it's a felony.

Also, most of the crimes in the crime thread are felonies.

The last one i say they hit a 7/11 and were stealing doritos bags! Lol.

i think this got a bit off track from my original point though, in that it has been vehemently noted around here, if one isnt publicly condemning bad actions, one is effectively supporting or condoning it. To the point where some claimed others as racists simply for not speaking out against a racially motivated crime.
I fail to see what the difference is regarding any crime. If it is stated that one supports if not speaking out, then that should be held a lcross the board on all types of crimes.
For the record, i am not one who has said if you don't speak out you are part of the problem, so i don't know where those peoples’ mindsets are and where the line is drawn, because it all seems silly to me. I was just pointing out the contradiction and it certainly triggered a few people.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The last one i say they hit a 7/11 and were stealing doritos bags! Lol.

i think this got a bit off track from my original point though, in that it has been vehemently noted around here, if one isnt publicly condemning bad actions, one is effectively supporting or condoning it. To the point where some claimed others as racists simply for not speaking out against a racially motivated crime.
I fail to see what the difference is regarding any crime. If it is stated that one supports if not speaking out, then that should be held a lcross the board on all types of crimes.
For the record, i am not one who has said if you don't speak out you are part of the problem, so i don't know where those peoples’ mindsets are and where the line is drawn, because it all seems silly to me. I was just pointing out the contradiction and it certainly triggered a few people.

People are claimed as racists and bigots for supporting racists and bigots.

If a person votes for a politician who is a racist or bigot and publicly supports their racist and bigoted policies then that person is associating themselves publicly as a racist and bigot.

 

[crandc]

The people who stormed the Capitol did so explicitly under instructions from and in support of the Republican former president. So it is appropriate to ask Republicans if they support or oppose. I am not aware of anyone robbing 7-11 in support of a Democratic candidate.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

People are claimed as racists and bigots for supporting racists and bigots.

If a person votes for a politician who is a racist or bigot and publicly supports their racist and bigoted policies then that person is associating themselves publicly as a racist and bigot.

I seem to recall people stating more than just voting for. Not speaking out against was considered support. I seem to remember in the early days of the protests, those who did not speak out in support for blm were deemed to be against blm, etc.
I believe anyone who was condemning the vandalism of the protests were deemed as right wing blm haters, etc. and not for equal rights. i do believe this connection was used on many levels. Not just voting.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

The people who stormed the Capitol did so explicitly under instructions from and in support of the Republican former president. So it is appropriate to ask Republicans if they support or oppose. I am not aware of anyone robbing 7-11 in support of a Democratic candidate.

I am not aware of many things. It doesn't make it not exist, or not true.

 

[RR7]

The last one i say they hit a 7/11 and were stealing doritos bags! Lol.

i think this got a bit off track from my original point though, in that it has been vehemently noted around here, if one isnt publicly condemning bad actions, one is effectively supporting or condoning it. To the point where some claimed others as racists simply for not speaking out against a racially motivated crime.
I fail to see what the difference is regarding any crime. If it is stated that one supports if not speaking out, then that should be held a lcross the board on all types of crimes.
For the record, i am not one who has said if you don't speak out you are part of the problem, so i don't know where those peoples’ mindsets are and where the line is drawn, because it all seems silly to me. I was just pointing out the contradiction and it certainly triggered a few people.

The difference has been pointed out to you multiple times in this thread. I don't know your initial point, but your initial post was claiming the majority in the crime spree thread were democrats, which prompted many to ask for proof. You had none, so there was an expectation set on your behalf that democrats should condemn those crimes, even though there was no political link to it. Therein lies the difference. Pointed out for you AGAIN. It's an absurd jump in logic. Nobody was "triggered". It just went from people asking for proof of that to you complaining in sweeping generalities about "the left" and hypocrisy and your misremembering of a thread from 2 years ago Which you, well, the old you, have consistently done. It's been pointed out to you, but you'll come back in another month with the same line.

 

[Shaboid]

The difference has been pointed out to you multiple times in this thread. I don't know your initial point, but your initial post was claiming the majority in the crime spree thread were democrats, which prompted many to ask for proof. You had none, so there was an expectation set on your behalf that democrats should condemn those crimes, even though there was no political link to it. Therein lies the difference. Pointed out for you AGAIN. It's an absurd jump in logic. Nobody was "triggered". It just went from people asking for proof of that to you complaining in sweeping generalities about "the left" and hypocrisy and your misremembering of a thread from 2 years ago Which you, well, the old you, have consistently done. It's been pointed out to you, but you'll come back in another month with the same line.

I have an idea who the "old you", but am not totally sure. This back and forth might be clouding my thoughts.