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The potential problems with this are (at least):
1) The judge already ruled in this case that the lie was material; and
2) Flynn not only pleaded guilty to this lie (twice), but also admitted to a few other crimes as part of the plea bargain.

So Flynn may well walk - but it's not because he's 'innocent'.

barfo
That’s easy.


Pre-Sentence Withdrawal
A defendant can typically withdraw a guilty plea that a judge hasn’t yet accepted. Also, defendants who have pleaded but not yet been sentenced can sometimes get out of their deals, particularly when the judge rejects the negotiated agreement pursuant to which the defendant pleaded. (The prosecution can sometimes back out of a deal, too.)

The judge allowed this... Take it up with the judge.
 
That’s easy.


Pre-Sentence Withdrawal
A defendant can typically withdraw a guilty plea that a judge hasn’t yet accepted. Also, defendants who have pleaded but not yet been sentenced can sometimes get out of their deals, particularly when the judge rejects the negotiated agreement pursuant to which the defendant pleaded. (The prosecution can sometimes back out of a deal, too.)

The judge allowed this... Take it up with the judge.

The judge hasn't ruled on the governments request to drop the case yet, so I don't think your last line is correct.

barfo
 
The judge hasn't ruled on the governments request to drop the case yet, so I don't think your last line is correct.

barfo
Okay, take it up with the judge when she does accept the dismissal request of the DOJ.
 
Okay, take it up with the judge when she does accept the dismissal request of the DOJ.

Not so quick son. Are you aware that Flynn also plead guilty to several other crimes that they agreed would not be prosecuted? They can bring up those other charges and in fact, the statue of limitations doesn't run out till 2022. Also, the judge does have authority to go ahead with the cAse as well if he chooses. Might not want to count those chickens just yet. :bored:
 
The animosity between the two parties is so ugly that I hope that a third party rises for people who want a more workable government.
 
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Justice Dept dropping Flynn's criminal case after FBI notes revealed
The move is a stunning reversal for one of the signature cases brought by special counsel Robert Mueller.


WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department on Thursday said it is dropping the criminal case against President Donald Trump's first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, abandoning a prosecution that became a rallying cry for Trump and his supporters in attacking the FBI's Russia investigation.

The move is a stunning reversal for one of the signature cases brought by special counsel Robert Mueller. It comes even though prosecutors for the last three years had maintained that Flynn had lied to the FBI about his conversations with the Russian ambassador in a January 2017 interview. Flynn himself admitted as much, and became a key cooperator for Mueller as he investigated ties between Russia and the 2016 Trump campaign.In court documents being filed Thursday, the Justice Department said it is dropping the case “after a considered review of all the facts and circumstances of this case, including newly discovered and disclosed information.” The documents were obtained by The Associated Press.


The Justice Department said it had concluded that Flynn’s interview by the FBI was “untethered to, and unjustified by, the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into Mr. Flynn” and that the interview on January 24, 2017 was “conducted without any legitimate investigative basis.”

The U.S. attorney reviewing the Flynn case, Jeff Jensen, recommended the move to Attorney General William Barr last week and formalized the recommendation in a document this week.

“Through the course of my review of General Flynn’s case, I concluded the proper and just course was to dismiss the case,” Jensen said in a statement. “I briefed Attorney General Barr on my findings, advised him on these conclusions, and he agreed.”

The decision is certain to be embraced by Trump, who has relentlessly tweeted about the case and last week pronounced Flynn “exonerated,” and energize supporters who have taken up the retired Army lieutenant general as something of a cause celebre. But it may also add to Democratic concerns that Attorney General William Barr is excessively loyal to the president, and could be a distraction for a Justice Department that for months has sought to focus on crimes arising from the coronavirus.

The Justice Department’s action comes amid an internal review into the handling of the case and an aggressive effort by Flynn’s lawyers to challenge the basis for the prosecution. The lawyers cited newly disclosed FBI emails and notes last week to allege that Flynn was entrapped into lying when agents interviewed him at the White House days after Trump’s inauguration. Though none of the documents appeared to undercut the central allegation that Flynn had lied to the FBI, Trump last week pronounced him “exonerated

The decision is the latest dramatic turn in a years-old case full of twists and turns. In recent months, his attorneys have leveled a series of allegations about the FBI’s actions and asked to withdraw his guilty plea. A judge has rejected most of the claims and not ruled on others, including the bid to revoke the plea.

The decision comes as Barr has increasingly challenged the Russia investigation, saying in a television interview last month that it was started “without any basis.” In February, he overruled a decision by prosecutors in the Roger Stone case in favor of a more lenient recommended sentence for the longtime Trump friend.

Earlier this year, he appointed Jensen, of St. Louis, to investigate the handling of Flynn’s case. As part of that process, the Justice Department produced to Flynn’s attorneys a series of emails and notes, including one handwritten note from a senior FBI official that mapped out internal deliberations about the purpose of the Flynn interview: “What’s our goal? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?” the official wrote.

Other documents show that the FBI had been prepared weeks before its interview of Flynn to drop its investigation into whether he was acting at the direction of Russia. Later that month, though, as the White House insisted that Flynn had never discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, FBI officials grew alarmed by Flynn’s conversations with the diplomat and what he had communicated to the White House. The investigation remained open, and agents went to visit him in the White House on Jan. 24, 2017.

Justice Department officials visited the White House two days later to warn officials that they feared that Flynn was compromised and vulnerable to blackmail by Russia because of his account of what was said on the call. White House officials waited several weeks to oust him from the job, saying they’d concluded that Flynn had lied to them.

Flynn pleaded guilty that December, becoming among the first of the president’s aides to admit guilt in Mueller’s investigation. He acknowledged that he lied about his conversations with Kislyak, in which he encourage Russia not to retaliate against the U.S. for sanctions imposed by the Obama administration over election interference.

He provided such extensive cooperation that prosecutors said he was entitled to a sentence of probation instead of prison.

As it turned out, that sentencing hearing was abruptly cut short after Flynn, facing a stern rebuke from U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan, asked to be able to continue cooperating and earn credit toward a more lenient sentence.

Flynn’s misgivings about the case were already on display when his then-attorneys pointedly noted in their sentencing memo that the FBI had not warned him that it was against the law to lie when they interviewed him at the White House in January 2017.

Since then, though, he has hired new attorneys — including Sidney Powell, a conservative commentator and outspoken critic of Mueller’s investigation — who have taken a far more confrontational stance to the government. The lawyers have accused prosecutors of withholding documents and evidence they said was favorable to the case and repeatedly noted that one of the two agents who interviewed Flynn was fired from the FBI for having sent derogatory text messages about Trump during the 2016 presidential campaign.
Does this mean that Flynn did nothing wrong?
 
Okay, take it up with the judge when she does accept the dismissal request of the DOJ.

The judge goes by 'he'.

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barfo
 
For public opinion? I guess we will see how the public responds. In the legal standpoint? No, he did nothing wrong.
You mean, the FBI did something wrong. This is not the same as saying Flynn is innocent other than by technicality.
 
You mean, the FBI did something wrong. This is not the same as saying Flynn is innocent other than by technicality.
There is nothing wrong with what Flynn did. Charging someone for a process crime, while the FBI already had the transcript, is entrapment. Also, withholding valuable information to help his case is ridiculous.
 
There is nothing wrong with what Flynn did.
yeah mags ….you are cheering for a serial liar as the savior of our country so if Flynn lies twice under oath....you're sweeping his lies under the rug in much the same way as you would Trump saying any number of bullshit lies about things without regard to accountability. Flynn is a traitor and a liar. Now a free one....and Trump mentioned bringing him back into his cabinet. He likes these types ...he can always throw them under the bus when needed.
 
yeah mags ….you are cheering for a serial liar as the savior of our country so if Flynn lies twice under oath....you're sweeping his lies under the rug in much the same way as you would Trump saying any number of bullshit lies about things without regard to accountability. Flynn is a traitor and a liar. Now a free one....and Trump mentioned bringing him back into his cabinet. He likes these types ...he can always throw them under the bus when needed.
Nope, I’m cheering for a justice system that actually worked. I’ll be cheering more when those involved with this conspiracy are found guilty and do time. Make an example out of them.
 
Nope, I’m cheering for a justice system that actually worked. I’ll be cheering more when those involved with this conspiracy are found guilty and do time. Make an example out of them.
The system didn't work in this case at all....the prosecutors are the guys trying to win an election and keep their jobs...hence..we're going to end up with a Supreme Court filled with Trump yes folks....he's worked hard at that task....
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There is nothing wrong with what Flynn did. Charging someone for a process crime, while the FBI already had the transcript, is entrapment. Also, withholding valuable information to help his case is ridiculous.
No, Flynn should not have been accepting illegal campaign donations from the Russians in secret talks regarding supposed dirt on Biden. It's illegal. This has been brought out and discussed in full in here in the past.
 
Lie about his conversations with Kislyak.

barfo
Oh, if you are talking about the sanctions, that can easily be misconstrued. It’s very easy to get a person to fall for a perjury trap when you have his “word for word” conversation.

mags
 
No, Flynn should not have been accepting illegal campaign donations from the Russians in secret talks regarding supposed dirt on Biden. It's illegal. This has been brought out and discussed in full in here in the past.
Illegal campaign donations? That’s weird. How come he wasn’t charged for that then? Oh yeah, because they didn’t have enough evidence to support that straw man Lanny. Lol
 
whoosh!.....real dodge ball move mags. you are pretty sharp about digging up news stories from the media....I'm sure you can find the Flynn lies...they're there....it's like talking about Bill Cosby again.
Dodge ball? Lmao. Nah man, seems you guys can’t believe your shotty case didn’t stick. Then again, when you are cheering for a team that completely contradicted what they said publicly from actual sworn testimonies would lead you to believe that.
 
Oh, if you are talking about the sanctions, that can easily be misconstrued. It’s very easy to get a person to fall for a perjury trap when you have his “word for word” conversation.

mags

It's IMPOSSIBLE to have a perjury trap if the person tells only the truth. Perjury traps are the republicans excuse for making lying acceptable.
 
Dodge ball? Lmao. Nah man, seems you guys can’t believe your shotty case didn’t stick. Then again, when you are cheering for a team that completely contradicted what they said publicly from actual sworn testimonies would lead you to believe that.

I would describe this forum like a whack a mole game. Trumpers respond, the rest of us whack you guys on the head. :biglaugh:
 
Dodge ball? Lmao. Nah man, seems you guys can’t believe your shotty case didn’t stick. Then again, when you are cheering for a team that completely contradicted what they said publicly from actual sworn testimonies would lead you to believe that.
mags....nobody here took anybody to trial concerning this....it's not our "shoddy case"....it's a political event that occurred....and cheering for a team seems to be something you really need to hang onto...I don't think many here are into the team sports competition you require.....lawyers contradict sworn testimonies. This is not news.....you give the guy a pass for purely political real estate...as Barr said recently....history follows the winners whether they are right or wrong.....in the case of Trump....you're sadly wrong yet getting him elected just makes you feel you've won something when in fact, everybody lost when he was elected....I could list Trump's shoddy cases that didn't stick....I'll wait until you've had that glass of lysol first
 
mags....nobody here took anybody to trial concerning this....it's not our "shoddy case"....it's a political event that occurred....and cheering for a team seems to be something you really need to hang onto...I don't think many here are into the team sports competition you require.....lawyers contradict sworn testimonies. This is not news.....you give the guy a pass for purely political real estate...as Barr said recently....history follows the winners whether they are right or wrong.....in the case of Trump....you're sadly wrong yet getting him elected just makes you feel you've won something when in fact, everybody lost when he was elected....I could list Trump's shoddy cases that didn't stick....I'll wait until you've had that glass of lysol first
If it were such a slam dunk, there is no chance the DOJ drops the case. One of their lead investigators left because he was caught withholding evidence to the defense. Thank God justice prevailed. I sure hope all involved will be held accountable. Maybe even sent to prison. Yay Justice!
 
If it were such a slam dunk, there is no chance the DOJ drops the case. One of their lead investigators left because he was caught withholding evidence to the defense. Thank God justice prevailed. I sure hope all involved will be held accountable. Maybe even sent to prison. Yay Justice!
Trump owns Barr....this case was dropped under the guise of a stacked court.....you should be really happy about the judges that have stacked the courts under Trump...it's one area he's been very busy at
 

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