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[magnifier661]

Trump owns Barr....this case was dropped under the guise of a stacked court.....you should be really happy about the judges that have stacked the courts under Trump...it's one area he's been very busy at

This post wreaks desperation and conspiracy theories. Alex Jones is that you?

 

[CupWizier]

If it were such a slam dunk, there is no chance the DOJ drops the case. One of their lead investigators left because he was caught withholding evidence to the defense. Thank God justice prevailed. I sure hope all involved will be held accountable. Maybe even sent to prison. Yay Justice!

lmfao! The DOJ simply is trying to get the case dropped in order to do trumps dirty work. It has nothing to do with justice.

 

[riverman]

This post wreaks desperation and conspiracy theories. Alex Jones is that you?

man you just have NO clue about the riverman's temperament or logic......nice try but I don't play those games...I'm an independent...nobody owns the riverman's vote! I'm a photo negative of Alex Jones but you could probably join his writing team...he needs obsessed conservatives to bounce ideas off of...are you Steve Bannon? I voted for Gary Johnson last election.....I don't think Alex did

 

[riverman]

This post wreaks desperation and conspiracy theories. Alex Jones is that you?

pardoning Flynn wreaks of desperation and conspiracy.....and no, I'm not Donald Trump. It's all about his election chances...and he's flailing in desperation and paranoia...I understand how that can rub off on his fans

 

[magnifier661]

man you just have NO clue about the riverman's temperament or logic......nice try but I don't play those games...I'm an independent...nobody owns the riverman's vote! I'm a photo negative of Alex Jones but you could probably join his writing team...he needs obsessed conservatives to bounce ideas off of...are you Steve Bannon? I voted for Gary Johnson last election.....I don't think Alex did

Lol, you said you don’t play that game, then played the game!

 

[riverman]

Lol, you said you don’t play that game, then played the game!

nah....I didn't ….but I did highlight your feeble attempt at baiting for a sparring partner. barking up the wrong tree my friend...fuck Trump....again...fuck Trump. That's all I've got for the guy at this point.....sad you still hang onto the dude's bullshit..someone will argue with you...I just shake my head and wonder..how anyone can back a proven compulsive liar.

 

[yankeesince59]

Evidently, the truth hurts the GOPers.

 

[yankeesince59]

nah....I didn't ….but I did highlight your feeble attempt at baiting for a sparring partner. barking up the wrong tree my friend...fuck Trump....again...fuck Trump. That's all I've got for the guy at this point.....sad you still hang onto the dude's bullshit..someone will argue with you...I just shake my head and wonder..how anyone can back a proven compulsive liar.

Yup, and in the last 2 days I've been told by 2 different people that Trump "was not late in acknowledging the virus and acting as swiftly as he could/should have"and I also learned that "Flynn did nothing wrong".

 

[ABM]

Evidently, the truth hurts the GOPers.

It does?

 

[magnifier661]

nah....I didn't ….but I did highlight your feeble attempt at baiting for a sparring partner. barking up the wrong tree my friend...fuck Trump....again...fuck Trump. That's all I've got for the guy at this point.....sad you still hang onto the dude's bullshit..someone will argue with you...I just shake my head and wonder..how anyone can back a proven compulsive liar.

As I put in bold, you absolutely did. Just because you claim it, doesn’t debunk your actual words.

 

[riverman]

As I put in bold, you absolutely did. Just because you claim it, doesn’t debunk your actual words.

put it on a hook and toss it in the lake!

 

[yankeesince59]

..."shotty"?

 

[magnifier661]

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/05/...flynn-motion-he-may-want-to-call-eric-holder/

There is ample precedent for this motion even though, as I noted in the column calling for this action, such dismissals are rare. There is a specific rule created for this purpose. Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 48(a) statesthe government may dismiss an indictment, information or complaint “with leave of the court.” Moreover, such dismissals are tied to other rules mandating such action when there is evidence of prosecutorial misconduct or fundamental questions about the underlying case from the view of the prosecutors.

Mags

 

[magnifier661]

Current through P.L. 116-91 (12/19/2019)
Section 48 - Dismissal
(a) BY THE GOVERNMENT. The government may, with leave of court, dismiss an indictment, information, or complaint. The government may not dismiss the prosecution during trial without the defendant's consent.
(b) BY THE COURT. The court may dismiss an indictment, information, or complaint if unnecessary delay occurs in:
(1) presenting a charge to a grand jury;
(2) filing an information against a defendant; or
(3) bringing a defendant to trial.
18 APPENDIX U.S.C. § 48

As amended Apr. 29, 2002, eff. Dec. 1, 2002.

NOTES OF ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON RULES-1944 Note to Subdivision (a). 1. The first sentence of this rule will change existing law. The common-law rule that the public prosecutor may enter a nolle prosequi in his discretion, without any action by the court, prevails in the Federal courts, Confiscation Cases, 7 Wall. 454, 457; United States v. Woody, 2 F.2d 262 (D.Mont.). This provision will permit the filing of a nolle prosequi only by leave of court. This is similar to the rule now prevailing in many States. A.L.I. Code of Criminal Procedure, Commentaries, pp. 895-897.2. The rule confers the power to file a dismissal by leave of court on the Attorney General, as well as on the United States attorney, since under existing law the Attorney General exercises "general superintendence and direction" over the United States attorneys "as to the manner of discharging their respective duties," 5 U.S.C. 317 [now 28 U.S.C. 509, 547]. Moreover it is the administrative practice for the Attorney General to supervise the filing of a nolle prosequi by United States attorneys. Consequently it seemed appropriate that the Attorney General should have such power directly.3. The rule permits the filing of a dismissal of an indictment, information or complaint. The word "complaint" was included in order to resolve a doubt prevailing in some districts as to whether the United States attorney may file a nolle prosequi between the time when the defendant is bound over by the United States commissioner and the finding of an indictment. It has been assumed in a few districts that the power does not exist and that the United States attorney must await action of the grand jury, even if he deems it proper to dismiss the prosecution. This situation is an unnecessary hardship to some defendants.4. The second sentence is a restatement of existing law, Confiscation Cases, 7 Wall. 454-457; United States v. Shoemaker, 27 Fed. Cases No. 16, 279 (C.C.Ill.). If the trial has commenced, the defendant has a right to insist on a disposition on the merits and may properly object to the entry of a nolle prosequi. Note to Subdivision (b). This rule is a restatement of the inherent power of the court to dismiss a case for want of prosecution. Ex parte Altman, 34 F.Supp. 106 (S.D.Cal.).

COMMITTEE NOTES ON RULES-2002 AMENDMENT The language of Rule 48 has been amended as part of the general restyling of the Criminal Rules to make them more easily understood and to make style and terminology consistent throughout the rules. These changes are intended to be stylistic only.The Committee considered the relationship between Rule 48(b) and the Speedy Trial Act. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 3161, et seq. Rule 48(b), of course, operates independently from the Act. See, e.g., United States v. Goodson, 204 F.3d 508 (4th Cir. 2000) (noting purpose of Rule 48(b)); United States v. Carlone, 666 F.2d 1112, 1116 (7th Cir. 1981) (suggesting that Rule 48(b) could provide an alternate basis in an extreme case to dismiss an indictment, without reference to Speedy Trial Act); United States v. Balochi, 527 F.2d 562, 563-64 (4th Cir. 1976) (per curiam) (Rule 48(b) is broader in compass). In re-promulgating Rule 48(b), the Committee intends no change in the relationship between that rule and the Speedy Trial Act.

 

[magnifier661]

So yeah, it is perfectly “constitutional” for the AG to drop the case. You can stop now.

 

[CupWizier]

pardoning Flynn wreaks of desperation and conspiracy.....and no, I'm not Donald Trump. It's all about his election chances...and he's flailing in desperation and paranoia...I understand how that can rub off on his fans

The only desperation i see is from someone who thinks he knows the laws. The judge does not have to dismiss it and the other charges he plead guilty to statue of limitations doesn't end till March of 2022. Your boy is not out of the woods.

 

[CupWizier]

So yeah, it is perfectly “constitutional” for the AG to drop the case. You can stop now.

Legal and ethical are not the same thing and that's where barr is an idiot as he has been acting like a private attorney for trump, not the USA.

Next!!

 

[yankeesince59]

The only desperation i see is from someone who thinks he knows the laws. The judge does not have to dismiss it and the other charges he plead guilty to statute of limitations doesn't end till March of 2022. Your boy is not out of the woods.

Yup, it's hilarious how a message board poster can seriously act as if he's a Constitutional Law Professor as well as an Epidemiologist simply by copying and pasting.

 

[magnifier661]

Yeah, great times. That article, and citing is from a very distinguished constitutional scholar.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/04/us/politics/jonathan-turley.html

 

[barfo]

Yeah, great times. That article, and citing is from a very distinguished constitutional scholar.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/04/us/politics/jonathan-turley.html

Turley is both distinguished and also someone who decides which side to argue for based on how much attention he can get for himself.

I'm not arguing with him on whatever the specific point is here, as I didn't bother to read it. Just commenting on your description of Turley.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Oh, if you are talking about the sanctions, that can easily be misconstrued. It’s very easy to get a person to fall for a perjury trap when you have his “word for word” conversation.

mags

The person would have to lie to fall into a 'perjury trap'. Flynn lied. You can make all the excuses you want, but he lied, and not in some trivial way.
They asked him direct questions, multiple times, about his conversations with the Russian ambassador and he lied about it repeatedly.
And then he admitted in court that he lied and pleaded guilty. Twice.

But I know you know all that, and you are just 'flooding the zone with shit'. So carry on.

barfo

 

[riverman]

The person would have to lie to fall into a 'perjury trap'. Flynn lied. You can make all the excuses you want, but he lied, and not in some trivial way.
They asked him direct questions, multiple times, about his conversations with the Russian ambassador and he lied about it repeatedly.
And then he admitted in court that he lied and pleaded guilty. Twice.

But I know you know all that, and you are just 'flooding the zone with shit'. So carry on.

barfo

This is it in a nutshell....

 

[magnifier661]

Turley is both distinguished and also someone who decides which side to argue for based on how much attention he can get for himself.

I'm not arguing with him on whatever the specific point is here, as I didn't bother to read it. Just commenting on your description of Turley.

barfo

Regardless of which side he argues from, his citations and arguments are valid. This is why no one is arguing against his point.

mags

 

[Lanny]

Oh, if you are talking about the sanctions, that can easily be misconstrued. It’s very easy to get a person to fall for a perjury trap when you have his “word for word” conversation.

mags

I'm surprised they don't catch more people falling into this trap. Why only Flynn?

 

[Lanny]

If it were such a slam dunk, there is no chance the DOJ drops the case. One of their lead investigators left because he was caught withholding evidence to the defense. Thank God justice prevailed. I sure hope all involved will be held accountable. Maybe even sent to prison. Yay Justice!

Nor a single one of the Justice Department prosecutors signed off on dropping the charge. Not a single one. This tells me it was an order from Barr and we all should know who Barr reports to.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm surprised they don't catch more people falling into this trap. Why only Flynn?

They wanted to but the rest brought their attorneys.

 

[magnifier661]

Nor a single one of the Justice Department prosecutors signed off on dropping the charge. Not a single one. This tells me it was an order from Barr and we all should know who Barr reports to.

Yeah, they were busy withholding key evidence. This is going to explode on all of them. Already one left because he was exposed. More heads will roll

 

[CupWizier]

Yeah, they were busy withholding key evidence. This is going to explode on all of them. Already one left because he was exposed. More heads will roll

Will Hillary be one of them? Maybe we should investigate Benghazi one more time.

 

[Lanny]

They wanted to but the rest brought their attorneys.

Ah, I see, Flynn was too dumb to think of briefing an attorney and then bringing him to the meeting. This guy was a high ranking General and head of National Intelligence yet had no intelligence. How strange considering he was appointed by Trump. I hope he was at least a good yes man.

 

[Lanny]

Yeah, they were busy withholding key evidence. This is going to explode on all of them. Already one left because he was exposed. More heads will roll

Well, please don't disturb my busy day watching cartoons until there is an explosion.