Politics FBI ‘investigating whether Russian money went to NRA’s campaign to help elect Donald Trump’

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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I gotta disagree with your take that Kasich would pull almost exclusively conservative voters. I’m a moderate Independent (and recovering Democrat) who could get strongly behind Kasich and I believe there are quite a few moderates from BOTH parties who would join me. Right now the extremists are steering both major parties (and creating an even bigger divide) and, based on things I’ve read and conversations I’ve had, I think a growing number of citizens are sick and tired of this kind of crap. The election of 2020 may not be the tipping point, but I strongly believe it will open some eyes. The Republican and Democratic parties have outlived there usefulness.
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As a moderate commie pinko, I won't be voting for him.

In 2013, the budget defunded Planned Parenthood, eliminating $1.4 million in federal funds that went toward a wide variety of health care services — and not a penny toward abortion, since federal dollars can't pay for abortion anyway.

That same budget funded so-called "crisis pregnancy centers," fake health clinics that offer free pregnancy tests and sometimes ultrasounds to draw women in the door, where counselors ply them with false information claiming abortion causes everything from breast cancer to cooties.

Thanks to Kasich, women in Ohio who need an abortion must undergo an ultrasound — and a doctor must describe the fetus to them — a condescending, harassing provision that implies women don't understand what being pregnant actually is, and that once they find out, they won't want an abortion anymore. (Turns out they pretty much all still do.)

Perhaps ugliest of all, Kasich's 2013 budget banned rape crisis counselors from referring victims of sexual assault to abortion services. Tell a woman who's been raped how to end a pregnancy, and you lose your funding from the state.

John Kasich thinks women who are raped shouldn't be told where they can get an abortion, and he used the power of his governorship to stop it.

The 2015 budget included further restrictions to abortion clinics, meaningless requirements masquerading as "protecting women's health" with the actual purpose of shutting clinics down. And shut down they have: About half of Ohio's abortion providers have shuttered since Kasich took office, and that number could easily rise.
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barfo
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The entrenchment of the two-party system makes third-party candidates completely unviable,
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I'm lobbying for that to no longer be the case.....forget 3rd party..I want all the parties represented...Green, Constitution Party, even barfo's Commie Pinko party...all of them and they should all get equal air time and it's time for them to be in the debates....we need campaign money cap reform....take money out of the equation...that's a start....also shorten the campaign to 6 weeks from start to finish...voters not so burned out as they have been after a year and a half of two people insulting each other...most americans couldn't pick Gary Johnson or Jill Stein out of a lineup....they get buried in the process.....don't vote the divorce court...be the change
 
theprunetang said:
Not in and of itself. First, where did the money originate? The source of the original seed money is important in this context. Secondly, was any of this money redirected from the NRA to a political campaign? I don't have the answers, because I am not privy to the inner workings of the investigation. And neither are you.

We are all in a bit of a "wait and see mode".
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What if a russian buys a dodge durango and his money goes into the pocket of an american salesman who spends that money paying an illegal mexican to paint his house who then gets a DUI and doesnt get deported because we dream big. Then instead of paying the fine he takes money back to mexico but gets robbed by corrupt mexican police who buy guns from obama and gives them to drug cartels to shoot american kids who were using columbian drug money to sell cocaine on the streets of L.A. then the god damn japs suicide bomb pearl harbor all over again?


FUCKING TRUMP!
 
Kasich was the republican I hoped would win the nomination in 2016.

He came in 17th out of 17, though.
 
barfo said:
Funny, you forget that Manafort "allegedly" evaded income tax on something like $30M. You also forget that he committed bank fraud while he was Trump's campaign manager. And there's the failure to register as a foreign agent. Probably some other things he's been indicted for that I'm forgetting.

But yes, innocent until proven guilty. Or until pleading guilty, whichever comes first.

As for Tony Podesta, I think it is entirely possible he gets charged with crimes before this is over. And that's fine.

barfo
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No collusion in any of your assertions above. No crimes by Trump or his family, either.

Manafort wasn't in the administration. He wasn't in the campaign for all that long.

Like I said, house of cards is tumbling down.
 
Denny Crane said:
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riverman said:
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house of cards alright......as to his family...that'll be the sequel
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What a silly list. It includes Comey and others who should have been shit canned. Not hired by Trump.

The rest? Who cares. None for anything related to Russia, Russia, Russia delusion.
 
Denny Crane said:
None for anything related to Russia, Russia, Russia delusion.
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you really seem to need this denial about Russians......baffling really. More like parroting Trump's denial playbook.....I've said many times Trump probably didn't directly collude with Russians but the Russians definitely manipulated his campaign staff.....so indirectly, it's on Trump for if anything....bad choices...putting trust into untrustworthy people and defending them until he absolutely has to throw them under the bus to save his own skin...(sloppy Steve)
 
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Denny Crane said:
What a silly list. It includes Comey and others who should have been shit canned. Not hired by Trump.

The rest? Who cares. None for anything related to Russia, Russia, Russia delusion.
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you can replace Comey with Amarossa...she didn't make the list.....clowntown
 
Denny Crane said:
What a silly list. It includes Comey and others who should have been shit canned. Not hired by Trump.

The rest? Who cares. None for anything related to Russia, Russia, Russia delusion.
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Why are you so afraid of an investigation Denny? It's been proven that Russia has and is meddling in or elections. Don;t you want to know who is all involved? Why do the closest to trump refuse to answer questions.
 
CupWizier said:
Why are you so afraid of an investigation Denny? It's been proven that Russia has and is meddling in or elections. Don;t you want to know who is all involved? Why do the closest to trump refuse to answer questions.
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He wouldn't be if it leads to Hilary....that's the Denny rant
 
riverman said:
He wouldn't be if it leads to Hilary....that's the Denny rant
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That's just it, so many of the deniers seem more interested in investigating Obama and Clinton who are no longer in politics and want to give a pass to a maniacal liar that is President along with his incapable staff of goonies.
 
CupWizier said:
Why are you so afraid of an investigation Denny? It's been proven that Russia has and is meddling in or elections. Don;t you want to know who is all involved? Why do the closest to trump refuse to answer questions.
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I'm not afraid of the investigation. I've said many times that Mueller should be allowed to finish, and that partisan anti-Trump prosecutors are fine, too.

The ones who should be afraid are those who expect something from this nothingburger.

EDIT: clearly people are afraid to see Clinton investigated. Why is that?
 
riverman said:
you really seem to need this denial about Russians......baffling really. More like parroting Trump's denial playbook.....I've said many times Trump probably didn't directly collude with Russians but the Russians definitely manipulated his campaign staff.....so indirectly, it's on Trump for if anything....bad choices...putting trust into untrustworthy people and defending them until he absolutely has to throw them under the bus to save his own skin...(sloppy Steve)
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Innocent until proven guilty.

Not buying into a batshit crazy and loonie conspiracy theory.

Seeing time pass and nothing, nada, zip.

Objective, not wishful thinking, on my part.
 
Denny Crane said:
No collusion in any of your assertions above.
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You and Trump, running around screaming "NO COLLUSION". When he does it it makes him look guilty. When you do it it makes you look like you lack foresight.

No crimes by Trump or his family, either.
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Let's check back on that in a few months, shall we?

And when he and/or his family is inevitably charged, you'll be saying

"No murder in any of those charges. No MURDER. NO MURDER!"

Manafort wasn't in the administration. He wasn't in the campaign for all that long.
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"But we only hired that particular criminal for a few months!" Unlike say Rick Gates.

What happened to "I have the best people"?

barfo
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm not afraid of the investigation. I've said many times that Mueller should be allowed to finish, and that partisan anti-Trump prosecutors are fine, too.

The ones who should be afraid are those who expect something from this nothingburger.

EDIT: clearly people are afraid to see Clinton investigated. Why is that?
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That is hilarious. I am concerned with what is going on now with people who are in control NOW. Mueller isn;t investigating Trump, he's investigating how and why the Russians were so involved and yes, it might lead to Trump or someone very close to him. Why do you like a guy that lies so much? Are you so hell bent on being a republican that you're willing to defend him at all costs? I just want the truth and could couldn;t care less what party anyone is affiliated with.

GET IT?
 
riverman said:
actually they're not Denny.....but you're clearly afraid to see Trump investigated...why is that?
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Asked and answered.

Actually they are afraid of the results, which is nothingburger. Huge investment in media $$$ and emotional investment in something that's a hoax. I'd feel sorry for them, but.... nah.
 
CupWizier said:
That is hilarious. I am concerned with what is going on now with people who are in control NOW. Mueller isn;t investigating Trump, he's investigating how and why the Russians were so involved and yes, it might lead to Trump or someone very close to him. Why do you like a guy that lies so much? Are you so hell bent on being a republican that you're willing to defend him at all costs? I just want the truth and could couldn;t care less what party anyone is affiliated with.

GET IT?
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I don't actually like Trump.

I dislike the idea of overthrowing the duly elected government a lot more.
 
barfo said:
I've noticed that there is an inverse relationship between the frequency someone claims to be objective on S2 and their actual objectivity.

barfo
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You wouldn't know objectivity if it shot up your ass and caused internal damage.
 
Denny Crane said:
I dislike the idea of overthrowing the duly elected government a lot more.
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Denny Crane said:
You wouldn't know objectivity if it shot up your ass and caused internal damage.
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Bingo!
There it is! In summation.

One side does not give a shit about the overthrow of the duly elected government.

Their arguments are not in support of it, but to show their virtue in support of the cause which is intended to cause the overthrow of the duly elected government.

The virtue coupe can be counted in the likes for each post of snark for any that do not support the cause.
A pointless game which none of the virtuous will recall when the cause fads, and their support morphs into the next round of the same.
 
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