Zombie FBI Press Conference on Hillary Clinton

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MarAzul said:
Ha! I was just wondering what he could possible consult on without some of that elitist crudeness leaking.
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Elitist! Ha! That's rich. Next time you have your yacht in town, I'll bring the can of pork and beans to the barbecue.
 
Glenn Greenwald weighs in.

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/05...ing-secrecy-violations-until-hillary-clinton/

Washington Has Been Obsessed With Punishing Secrecy Violations — until Hillary Clinton

Had someone who was obscure and unimportant and powerless done what Hillary Clinton did – recklessly and secretly install a shoddy home server and worked with Top Secret information on it, then outright lied to the public about it when they were caught – they would have been criminally charged long ago, with little fuss or objection. But Hillary Clinton is the opposite of unimportant. She’s the multi-millionaire former First Lady, Senator from New York, and Secretary of State, supported by virtually the entire political, financial and media establishment to be the next President, arguably the only person standing between Donald Trump and the White House.

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The fact that Clinton is who she is: that is undoubtedly what caused the FBI to accord her the massive benefit of the doubt when assessing her motives. Her identity, rather than her conduct, was clearly a major factor in his finding nothing that was – in the words of Comey – “clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice.”


 
e_blazer said:
Of course Trump isn't the best the Republicans have, anymore than Hillary is the best the Democrats have. Trump is the beneficiary of right wing outrage over Obama's policies on a myriad of subjects. Trump played on those hot buttons like a gigolo fingering the g-spot on a 70 year old woman. Dumbasses were so busy feeling the love that they didn't stop to consider that gigolos aren't exactly quality material for long term relationships.
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The best candidate is the one that each party is most confident will win the election for their interests. So Hillary IS the best candidate by what matters, not an idealistic view of what best means.

Trump is NOT the best candidate by either metric. And if the best seasoned experienced republican candidates can't outdo the caricature of themselves, who is to blame? It isn't only that Trump was the beneficiary of 8 years of Obama hate, real and fabricated -- drones/birther -- etc. It is also the lack of a republican candidate that could inspire the whole country, meanwhile resorting to dog whistles, pandering, and political business as usual which hasn't worked well enough, lately, and will continue to not work well enough. Face it, every establishment candidate was god damn awful!

The republican message needs an overhaul, pure and simple. Ozzy and Harriet is not coming back, so get with the program and take the BS slogans to heart and make America Great, period! Not "again" and not just for your own ideology and interests. Every time I see or hear a republican, or anyone else in politics to be frank, talking about America First, I think about the gridlock and the petty partisanship that keeps nearly everything in a standstill.

America First my ass. It's Us First... And if we don't get our way and all of it our way, we're going to take the ball and hide it so nobody can play. Shit is old...

Sorry, needed to vent.

Cheers
 
Bandwagonfansince77 said:
The best candidate is the one that each party is most confident will win the election for their interests. So Hillary IS the best candidate by what matters, not an idealistic view of what best means.

Trump is NOT the best candidate by either metric. And if the best seasoned experienced republican candidates can't outdo the caricature of themselves, who is to blame? It isn't only that Trump was the beneficiary of 8 years of Obama hate, real and fabricated -- drones/birther -- etc. It is also the lack of a republican candidate that could inspire the whole country, meanwhile resorting to dog whistles, pandering, and political business as usual which hasn't worked well enough, lately, and will continue to not work well enough. Face it, every establishment candidate was god damn awful!

The republican message needs an overhaul, pure and simple. Ozzy and Harriet is not coming back, so get with the program and take the BS slogans to heart and make America Great, period! Not "again" and not just for your own ideology and interests. Every time I see or hear a republican, or anyone else in politics to be frank, talking about America First, I think about the gridlock and the petty partisanship that keeps nearly everything in a standstill.

America First my ass. It's Us First... And if we don't get our way and all of it our way, we're going to take the ball and hide it so nobody can play. Shit is old...

Sorry, needed to vent.

Cheers
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Hillary is only the "best candidate" by that metric because she's running against Trump. Well that and the fact that Comey decided to punt on the charges he could/should have recommended. Trump was able to gain traction early because there were so many other candidates that it split the vote of the more traditional Republicans. That, combined with the general anger about so many of Obama's policies among Trump supporters led to him getting the nomination. It's a mistake that the party will pay for with the election of Hillary. That said, anyone of either party who celebrates such a lame and deceitful person getting the presidency should really question their own political motives.
 
David Gergen

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/opinions/fbi-clinton-decision-gergen/index.html

Indeed, the more one studies the Comey statement, the more scathing it becomes -- and the more suggestive that their decision on prosecution was a close call. As Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post quickly pointed out, Comey blew holes in the narrative that Clinton and her aides have asserted for months -- that none of the emails coming and going were marked classified, that she had her system set up for personal convenience (it turned out to cause lots of inconvenience), that her aides were meticulous in separating out personal versus professional emails, etc. Pretty clearly, Comey found the whole episode revolting.

It won't be lost on the public, either, how close a call it appears to have been recommending against charges. Under the federal espionage statute, a person can be charged with a felony by intentionally mishandling classified information -- and the FBI did not find intentionality on Clinton's part. OR, says the statute, a felony occurs when a person acts with "gross negligence" in mishandling classified information.

The FBI had to decide whether she acted with "gross negligence." It concluded that she did not. Instead, said Comey, the FBI concluded that she was "extremely careless."

"Gross negligence" vs. "extremely careless": Is there really much difference? To many in the public, that sounds like hair splitting, a distinction without a difference. Lawyers will argue that one until the cows come home. But what is obvious is that to have a decision turn on such fine differences means that the FBI investigators themselves must have thought this wasn't an easy case to resolve. Jacob Gershman at the Wall Street Journal captured the point, and from this perspective, at least, the Clinton folks walked right up to the edge of the law.
 
e_blazer said:
Hillary is only the "best candidate" by that metric because she's running against Trump. Well that and the fact that Comey decided to punt on the charges he could/should have recommended. Trump was able to gain traction early because there were so many other candidates that it split the vote of the more traditional Republicans. That, combined with the general anger about so many of Obama's policies among Trump supporters led to him getting the nomination. It's a mistake that the party will pay for with the election of Hillary. That said, anyone of either party who celebrates such a lame and deceitful person getting the presidency should really question their own political motives.
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Nope. It's a fine and patriotic thing to celebrate Trump not getting elected. Any day Trump does not get elected is a great day for the country.

barfo
 
I laughed a little more...

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e_blazer said:
Hillary is only the "best candidate" by that metric because she's running against Trump. Well that and the fact that Comey decided to punt on the charges he could/should have recommended. Trump was able to gain traction early because there were so many other candidates that it split the vote of the more traditional Republicans. That, combined with the general anger about so many of Obama's policies among Trump supporters led to him getting the nomination. It's a mistake that the party will pay for with the election of Hillary. That said, anyone of either party who celebrates such a lame and deceitful person getting the presidency should really question their own political motives.
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Hillary is the democrat's "best candidate" for other reasons than just "Trump is worse". Clinton cache, woman, connections, etc. You know that, so don't ignore that she is the best candidate by the metric of most electable and even with the baggage she is still the best chance, hence the "best candidate". The parties don't care if their candidate is good, honest, gives blood and saved a kitten from the SPCA. Win, baby, win or GTFO. Hillary is the best the dems have to offer. Pretty sad.

Republicans? Couldn't field anyone that could stand above the crowd because.... They ALL sucked to high heaven! Why are you two ( Hi Denny) making extraneous excuses for them? Trump got traction because there wasn't a candidate that was worth a damn. They played their cards wrong and got beat by a guy that wasn't a regular at the table. How pathetic.

Sure seems like you guys want to defend the field of shabby republican candidates for some reason. Is it just to be a contrarian to the resident newb and proud American Atheist?

I agree with you about celebrating either candidate, since they are horrible. Tired of repeating myself and the obvious. Just asking though, why is it so hard to agree with what I'm saying? It's not unreasonable and seems to be just a fact. Why mention other factors in your reply to mine when they are pretty obvious and serve to deflect attention from my mundane observation? It seems like your reply is meant to refute what I'm saying and suggest that the real factors are the various secondary and tertiary points you brought up. Is it so hard to say, "Yeah, the republican candidates this season were weak. In addition here are some factors that contributed to their downfall and the rise of Trumpamania."

Just like islam, there needs to be a reformation in the republican party, ignore that fundamental issue and what naturally flows from that platform will be more out of touch candidates bickering amongst themselves playing the game of pandering and political negatively so fervently they can't do anything else.
 
Bandwagonfansince77 said:
Hillary is the democrat's "best candidate" for other reasons than just "Trump is worse". Clinton cache, woman, connections, etc. You know that, so don't ignore that she is the best candidate by the metric of most electable and even with the baggage she is still the best chance, hence the "best candidate". The parties don't care if their candidate is good, honest, gives blood and saved a kitten from the SPCA. Win, baby, win or GTFO. Hillary is the best the dems have to offer. Pretty sad.

Republicans? Couldn't field anyone that could stand above the crowd because.... They ALL sucked to high heaven! Why are you two ( Hi Denny) making extraneous excuses for them? Trump got traction because there wasn't a candidate that was worth a damn. They played their cards wrong and got beat by a guy that wasn't a regular at the table. How pathetic.

Sure seems like you guys want to defend the field of shabby republican candidates for some reason. Is it just to be a contrarian to the resident newb and proud American Atheist?

I agree with you about celebrating either candidate, since they are horrible. Tired of repeating myself and the obvious. Just asking though, why is it so hard to agree with what I'm saying? It's not unreasonable and seems to be just a fact. Why mention other factors in your reply to mine when they are pretty obvious and serve to deflect attention from my mundane observation? It seems like your reply is meant to refute what I'm saying and suggest that the real factors are the various secondary and tertiary points you brought up. Is it so hard to say, "Yeah, the republican candidates this season were weak. In addition here are some factors that contributed to their downfall and the rise of Trumpamania."

Just like islam, there needs to be a reformation in the republican party, ignore that fundamental issue and what naturally flows from that platform will be more out of touch candidates bickering amongst themselves playing the game of pandering and political negatively so fervently they can't do anything else.
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Wow. Someone is very impressed with themself.
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

Petty Officer Saucier was charged last year with one count of unlawful retention of national defense information and one count of obstruction of justice after prosecutors said the sailor used his cellphone to take snapshots in classified engine room on the USS Alexandria, a nuclear submarine where he worked as a mechanic at the time, then attempted to destroy evidence when he learned an investigation had been launched.


The sailor initially pleaded not guilty to both counts, and a jury was selected earlier this month ahead of opening arguments slated to start next week.

Politico’s attempts to reach the defense and prosecution for comment late Thursday were unsuccessful, and the specifics of Mr. Saucier’s change of plea were not immediately available.

A conviction for both counts would carry a maximum prison sentence of 30 years, Politico reported.
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article88042162.html

Lawyers who specialize in representing government and military officials who’ve had security clearances revoked said Comey’s recommendation offered them a new tactic in seeking to rehabilitate their clients, especially if Clinton is elected president in November.

“I intend to use the Hillary defense,” said Sean M. Bigley, a lawyer whose firm handles dozens of cases a year involving national security clearances. “I really question how any agency can say someone is a security risk if the president of the United States did something similar.”

He added, “We’ve had people lose 20-year careers for doing less than what she did.”

Mark F. Riley, a former military intelligence officer who became a lawyer defending those accused of national security violations, said he, too, would invoke the Clinton recommendation.
 
BrianFromWA said:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork
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On the practical side of things, this regulations sounds like it needs to be modified. I have taken hundred of pictures of the stuff in my boat so as to show for future reference how something looks, is adjusted or located. In short to document for future reference. I did the same thing way back when aboard a destroyer. It seems to me that security at a level that prevents a man from doing his job is wrong. Taking the photo off the ship might be right, but not taking the photo. That said, I don't know what the hell he was doing, but it did strike me as probably too tight.
 
blue32 said:
Such corrupt shit going on...
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People see through the blinders. Jesus fucking Christ the government is so corrupt. That's why a guy like Trump is doing as well as he is right now. He's an outsider. Yeah, he may be brash and kind of unhinged.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
People see through the blinders. Jesus fucking Christ the government is so corrupt. That's why a guy like Trump is doing as well as he is right now. He's an outsider. Yeah, he may be brash and kind of unhinged.
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Yeah, kind of.

There are people in asylums who think they are Jesus. That doesn't mean you should worship them.

barfo
 
Semi-Necrobump

BrianFromWA said:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork
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Not yet verified by other than Fox News, but it seems Petty Officer Saucier will get pardoned.

(As a Commander in the Navy I think this bullshit should've been stopped at a Captain's Mast, where the CO of the ship decides that the sailor did something dumb, reduces him in rank a step or two, takes some pay, and does other little things that make life not fun for a few months. Then the sailor can try to get on with his career. Not saying that I'd want to spend a year in prison, but to get reinstated fully seems like an odd resolution to this. Hopefully this will reinstate an honorable discharge --heck, we can still bring him back in the Reserves--but he's a trained Nuclear Power machinist who's been a garbageman for a couple of years. He was an instructor at Power School. He got all of his benefits stripped and can't even apply his training to civilian apprenticeship programs b/c of the Dishonorable Discharge.)

Last June, Saucier’s attorneys, who had applied for a pardon from the Trump administration, got a letter from the DOJ saying they needed to wait about five years to submit a petition for the pardon.
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Talk about some government-worker bullshit...
 
These sort of threads crack me up. If it's anything negative on Hilary marzy and denny jump all over it, but if there is anything negative about trump, then it's fake news. The definition of selective bias.
 
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MarAzul said:
Damn! SlyPokerDog is a prime example of a fucking tool! It was criminal in my mind the shit she didn't do at Benghazi and the lies about it that should land her in the dump heap of history! In the eyes of every American. This crass disregard for law and honesty over the email, is just icing on the shitty cake. Then you want policy from this source? Tool!

I suppose it is her policy on the disregard for the 2nd amendment that lights your wick. Fuck! Sounds like a guy that would compete with kid for the candy thrown at the local parade.
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Hey, Benghazi has been cleared by everybody that's anybody including the President, the State Department, the commanding general of the Africa Command, the commanding general of Nato and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Do you know someone higher than these gentlemen who declared her guilty of ANYTHING?

Oh yes, I forgot to include the acting Director of the CIA.
 
Lanny said:
Hey, Benghazi has been cleared by everybody that's anybody including the President, the State Department, the commanding general of the Africa Command, the commanding general of Nato and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Do you know someone higher than these gentlemen who declared her guilty of ANYTHING?

Oh yes, I forgot to include the acting Director of the CIA.
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a) Not EUCOM.
b) Not by me. And I know a bit about it.
c) Even if a) and b) weren't true, they knew it wasn't a goddamn Terry Jones YouTube video.

So no, Benghazi hasn't "been cleared" by everybody that's anybody. Sure, maybe no one's going to jail. But don't for a second think that the SOF community doesn't know that their guys were left to die due to political reasons.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Semi-Necrobump


Not yet verified by other than Fox News, but it seems Petty Officer Saucier will get pardoned.

(As a Commander in the Navy I think this bullshit should've been stopped at a Captain's Mast, where the CO of the ship decides that the sailor did something dumb, reduces him in rank a step or two, takes some pay, and does other little things that make life not fun for a few months. Then the sailor can try to get on with his career. Not saying that I'd want to spend a year in prison, but to get reinstated fully seems like an odd resolution to this. Hopefully this will reinstate an honorable discharge --heck, we can still bring him back in the Reserves--but he's a trained Nuclear Power machinist who's been a garbageman for a couple of years. He was an instructor at Power School. He got all of his benefits stripped and can't even apply his training to civilian apprenticeship programs b/c of the Dishonorable Discharge.)

Talk about some government-worker bullshit...
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Sounds like you're advocating for an Article 15.
 
Lanny said:
Sounds like you're advocating for an Article 15.
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Exactly....that's what we call it in the Navy (no offense, I wasn't sure if you were or not). NJP "Non-Judicial Punishment" is what we term it, but my retired AF dad still calls them Article 15s
 
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