OT Figure It Out.... It's Not That Hard If You Just Try... (2 Viewers)

[dviss1]

And fix the name of your stupid football team...

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...38753295f9a_story.html?utm_term=.0f00276bbfd5

New poll finds 9 in 10 Native Americans aren’t offended by Redskins name

 

[dviss1]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...38753295f9a_story.html?utm_term=.0f00276bbfd5

New poll finds 9 in 10 Native Americans aren’t offended by Redskins name

Doesn't make it any less racist...

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[dviss1]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...38753295f9a_story.html?utm_term=.0f00276bbfd5

New poll finds 9 in 10 Native Americans aren’t offended by Redskins name

Also, the term Native "Americans" is offensive too.

 

[Denny Crane]

Also, the term Native "Americans" is offensive too.

Some things are just mindbogglingly stupid.

How is it offensive? They're the only "native" Americans in the U.S. It's accurate and in no way implies anything about the quality of human beings of different races. The term is a reminder that they were here first.

How is it offensive to associate the national pastime with American indians? Seems to me it's a huge sign of respect, not one of offensiveness. It attributes winning, competing, fierceness, dedication, etc., to the people.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Also, the term Native "Americans" is offensive too.

Everything is offensive now.

Pussy Hats: The Confederate Flag for White Feminists

 

[e_blazer]

Also, the term Native "Americans" is offensive too.

Do you keep a list of these offensive things? It would be helpful to an old Caucasian American.

"Native-you-guess-the-continent" doesn't flow off the tongue.

 

[MarAzul]

Doesn't make it any less racist...

Ha!
But I don't think it will sell!

I played on a football team in the Hudson Valley industrial league years ago.
The teams name was, The Wops & Mc's. I guess it had been that way for years, but then people started to get sensitive. Had to come up with a new name. Geez!

It didn't seem to bother any of the guys on the team, who did fit the name.

 

[riverman]

 

[dviss1]

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The difference being that white people chose a name for their white owned team. If you don't see the difference I'm not sure what to tell you.

This country has done more than just shit on the Native people. Even calling them Apache shows ignorance. Another piece of ignorance.. they are not the Sioux... They're the LAKOTA..

Why is it so difficult for people to show respect for others?? Like I said.. It's really not that hard...

 

[dviss1]

Do you keep a list of these offensive things? It would be helpful to an old Caucasian American.

"Native-you-guess-the-continent" doesn't flow off the tongue.

They're simply natives. Again it's not that hard.

 

[riverman]

Sioux... They're the LAKOTA..

My maternal grandmother is Lakota ...she identified as Lakota Sioux and Indian.....if the tribes take offense to any cartoon figures...that should always be respected...dviss....sometimes I think you just love to lecture and forget you're not talking to people with no sense of racial justice...

 

[riverman]

They're simply natives. Again it's not that hard.

Or indigenous people or aboriginal people or tribal locals......lot of definitions...if you get hardcore about it you should speak it in their language and not anglify it at all

 

[dviss1]

My maternal grandmother is Lakota ...she identified as Lakota Sioux and Indian.....if the tribes take offense to any cartoon figures...that should always be respected...dviss....sometimes I think you just love to lecture and forget you're not talking to people with no sense of racial justice...

Sigh.. I'm never aiming any of this at you @riverman. I know where you stand.

I'm aiming this at the racists of the forum. They know who they are.

 

[MarAzul]

Names for people become offensive over time for a few of the people some of the time.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm aiming this at the racists of the forum.

 

[dviss1]

Names for people become offensive over time for a few of the people some of the time.

The fact that you think they "become offensive over time" is the issue. Being slow on the uptake. They were offensive when they were created...

 

[Denny Crane]

"Native American" was coined in the 1960s civil rights era to specifically NOT be racist or offensive.

So, no, they weren't offensive when they were created.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm aiming this at the racists of the forum. They know who they are.

For the last time, I'm a speciesist, not a racist.

 

[MarAzul]

Being slow on the uptake.

Perhaps.
But being old enough to have noticed several cycles, it is time that changes the view. I doubt that being slow is the reason you have not noticed. Short on time is more likely.

The list of "correct" names for people of African decent in America is long. No doubt, unsettled. Some what confusing too, even to the these people and maybe more so to Africans. Look at the race Barrack Obama's daddy entered on the birth certificate for his race. African.
Dang man! That's a continent.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/01/21/race-and-the-census-the-“negro”-controversy/

 

[dviss1]

African.
Dang man! That's a continent.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/01/21/race-and-the-census-the-“negro”-controversy/

I'm glad you recognize it as that. You're president doesn't.

 

[MarAzul]

You're president doesn't.

Are you sure you are not short on time again?

 

[Sedatedfork]

I like the Canadian term First Nations personally, but I use Native Americans and honestly have never heard anyone tell me that they thought it was offensive.

 

[MarAzul]

I like the Canadian term First Nations personally, but I use Native Americans and honestly have never heard anyone tell me that they thought it was offensive.

I am not sure why I used that term in discussions with the representatives of a tribe recently, but I observed a flinch. I won't do it again when I come back to continue the venture. I did find out they prefer to be call by their tribal name. At least these people do. So there may not be an acceptable generic name.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I am not sure why I used that term in discussions with the representatives of a tribe recently, but I observed a flinch. I won't do it again when I come back to continue the venture. I did find out they prefer to be call by their tribal name. At least these people do. So there may not be an acceptable generic name.

That's quite possible.

 

[e_blazer]

They're simply natives. Again it's not that hard.

Quite the contrary, it's extremely complicated to come up with a designation for the indigenous population of a country as large as the United States. There are many tribes and not all of them want to be identified in the collective with members of other tribes. The term "Indian" of course has a basic problem of being incorrect from a geographic standpoint, but curiously according to Wikipedia, "As of 1995, according to the US Census Bureau, 50% of people who identified as indigenous preferred the term American Indian, 37% preferred Native American, and the remainder preferred other terms or had no preference."
The term "Native American" was a specific attempt to resolve this naming issue and thus has no racial animus and is not "racist". That said, it's usually used to describe indigenous peoples of the 48 contiguous states. So, add in the difficulties of the broader identification issue of the indigenous peoples of Alaska, Hawaii, and American Samoa and it's even more complicated. Your suggestion of the term "natives", while simple, is not specific enough to have any meaning. "Natives" would refer to the indigenous population of any geographic region on the globe. In the broader context of common spoken English, it's often used in a non-racial identity way to speak of anyone who was born in the region in which they reside. I'm a native Oregonian, but have no racial ties to the indigenous population of the area.
I'm absolutely with you on the Redskins name issue. That term has been used in a pejorative way throughout much of our history. I have no doubt that the majority of Washington Redskins fans don't see it as anything but an honorable team name that compliments the indigenous people of that area for being brave warriors. Despite that, you simply can't divorce the pejorative term from the intent. Change the damned thing and move along.
Maybe there will come a time when we can all just refer to each other as "people" and then we will truly have moved past racism. Until then, maybe we should cut each other a little more slack about the use of terms that generally are not intended to be negative descriptions of race or ethnicity?

 

[dviss1]

Until then, maybe we should cut each other a little more slack about the use of terms that generally are not intended to be negative descriptions of race or ethnicity?

First, stop quoting Wikipedia... Just stop that. 2nd, I never said the word Native American was racist. I said some are offended by it.

And when that day comes.. the day when we just refer to each other as people... I hope to live to see it.

But understand I never said it was racist.

 

[MARIS61]

Doesn't make it any less racist...

Actually it does. Your Black Privilege doesn’t give you the right to assume you know what Indians think and feel.

 

[MarAzul]

And when that day comes.. the day when we just refer to each other as people... I hope to live to see it.

The virtue signalers, seeking to improve their diversity measurements will never permit it. Nor will those that live off the friction when more can be generated.

And you might observe, there are those that desire to be recognized by their difference.